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Crowsbeak posted:Need a one week ban. Oh and I leave you with noted wonderful liberal Ezra Klein speaking the wonders of the authoritarian city state of Singapore medical system. Note how I said it is an authoritarian city state. Never once does Ezra mention this in the article. (Frankly I would argue this is because Singapore is ezra kleins fever dream of the his ideal place to live. ) You realize that Singapore has universal healthcare, universal public education (even the richest people send their kids to public schools), a highly efficient and heavily regulated public transport system, intensive central planning by a government that owns most of the land in the country, and a public housing system that houses 80% of the population? Singapore is way, way more socialist than the US will ever be. If you think Singapore is some kind of libertopia you're as dumb as Ezra Klein.
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thekeeshman posted:You realize that Singapore has universal healthcare, universal public education (even the richest people send their kids to public schools), a highly efficient and heavily regulated public transport system, intensive central planning by a government that owns most of the land in the country, and a public housing system that houses 80% of the population? Singapore is way, way more socialist than the US will ever be. If you think Singapore is some kind of libertopia you're as dumb as Ezra Klein. Singapore is redistributist, it is absolutely not socialist. It has welfare sure, but so did Bismarckian Prussia and only a complete idiot would call the arch-conservative of the 19th century a socialist. It's first and foremost a chinese supremacist city-state run as a virtual corporation by the ruling party.
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thekeeshman posted:You realize that Singapore has universal healthcare, universal public education (even the richest people send their kids to public schools), a highly efficient and heavily regulated public transport system, intensive central planning by a government that owns most of the land in the country, and a public housing system that houses 80% of the population? Singapore is way, way more socialist than the US will ever be. If you think Singapore is some kind of libertopia you're as dumb as Ezra Klein. It also has really low tax rates and functions because it's a hub for international finance: it's basically helping other country's corporations evade taxes and idk how socialist that is
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Agnosticnixie posted:Singapore is redistributist, it is absolutely not socialist. It has welfare sure, but so did Bismarckian Prussia and only a complete idiot would call the arch-conservative of the 19th century a socialist. It's first and foremost a chinese supremacist city-state run as a virtual corporation by the ruling party. They have alot of actual socialism in their health care system. The government owns the vast majority of the health care services and controls prices.
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Back to the thread topic, someone wrote a book about why Obama is the worst thing to happen to the American left ever https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...pm_opinions_popquote:Garrow portrays Obama as a man who ruthlessly compartmentalized his existence; who believed early on that he was fated for greatness; and who made emotional sacrifices in the pursuit of a goal that must have seemed unlikely to everyone but him. Every step — whether his foray into community organizing, Harvard Law School, even his choice of whom to love — was not just about living a life but about fulfilling a destiny. quote:Garrow, who received a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of Martin Luther King Jr., concludes this massive new work with a damning verdict on Obama’s determination: “While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the vessel was hollow at its core.” quote:Jager soon came to realize, she told Garrow, that Obama had “a deep-seated need to be loved and admired.” quote:In early 1987, when Obama was 25, she sensed a change. “He became. . . so very ambitious” very suddenly, she told Garrow. “I remember very clearly when this transformation happened, and I remember very specifically that by 1987, about a year into our relationship, he already had his sights on becoming president.” quote:he had a compulsion to orate in class and summarize other people’s arguments for them. “In law school the only thing I would have voted for Obama to do would have been to shut up,” one student told Garrow. Classmates created a Obamanometer, ranking “how pretentious someone’s remarks are in class.” quote:on the day after Sasha was born, Barack went downtown for a meeting. quote:The author is harsh but persuasive in his reading of “Dreams From My Father,” for instance, calling it not a memoir but a work of “historical fiction,” in which the “most important composite character was the narrator himself.” (Reviewers were impressed by it, but few who knew Obama well seemed to recognize the man in its pages.) He points out that Obama’s cocaine use extended into his post-college years, longer than he had acknowledged. And he suggests Obama deployed religion for political purposes; while campaigning for the U.S. Senate, Garrow notes, Obama began toting around a Bible and exhibited “a greater religious faith than close acquaintances had ever previously sensed.” quote:Throughout the book, Obama displays an almost petulant dissatisfaction with each step he takes to reach the Oval Office. Community organizing is not ambitious enough, he decides, so he goes to law school. But then he moves into politics because “I saw the law as being inadequate to the task” of achieving social change, Obama explains. In Springfield, he is again disillusioned by “the realization that politics is a business . . . an activity that’s designed to advance one’s career, accumulate resources and help one’s friends,” as “opposed to a mission.”And upon reaching the U.S. Senate, he tells National Journal that he is “surprised by the lack of deliberation in the world’s greatest deliberative body.” Nothing measures up. quote:I may not be Donald Trump now, but just you wait; if I don’t make it, my children will.” If literally the only things about Obama that were different is if he was a white Republican named John Smith he'd be one of the greatest villains to the left today.
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"This black man would be treated like a villain if he only didn't get to play the race card" says a leftist with Obama derangement syndrome. But let's hear more about how much cocaine this black man took.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Back to the thread topic, someone wrote a book about why Obama is the worst thing to happen to the American left ever https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...pm_opinions_pop not gonna lie, I'm not seeing anything in there that doesn't read "was a professional politician?"
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C. Everett Koop posted:Back to the thread topic, someone wrote a book about why Obama is the worst thing to happen to the American left ever https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...pm_opinions_pop I don't see anything in your quotes that marks Obama as somehow bad for the left?
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Ze Pollack posted:not gonna lie, I'm not seeing anything in there that doesn't read "was a professional politician?" Yea, obviously if you psychologically profile anyone who became President they're going to seem sociopathic in their desire for power, because it literally requires a mentality of "I am the best person in the country." But Obama is not uniquely bad, literally every politician is like this to some degree.
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shrike82 posted:"This black man would be treated like a villain if he only didn't get to play the race card" says a leftist with Obama derangement syndrome. obama derangement syndrome is a perfectly viable condition because he literally destroyed the democratic party by letting finance and the Clintons run roughshod over it
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C. Everett Koop posted:Back to the thread topic, someone wrote a book about why Obama is the worst thing to happen to the American left ever https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...pm_opinions_pop No he wouldn't. Clinton is still loved by most democrats and his presidency was much less successful than Obama's.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Back to the thread topic, someone wrote a book about why Obama is the worst thing to happen to the American left ever https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...pm_opinions_pop Those are some fairly odd claims. I mean, sure people do awkward things at college but it meshes a bit too much with the far-right nonsense of "Obama is a gay coke addict" for me to take it at face value. https://www.yahoo.com/news/barack-obama-snorted-cocaine-considered-113610590.html quote:The book also lays bare details his close relationship with openly gay assistant professor Lawrence Goldyn and suggests it may have influenced him when he allegedly started exploring his own sexuality. He allegedly considered having a gay relationship because he thought it would be "less challenging" than being heterosexual.
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Man that's pretty damning
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Maybe the coke thing is real, but it seems irrelevant. Also "my life would be easier if I was gay" is hardly a unique thought that means anything. Yeah, also another poster said, he sounds like a pretty typical ambitious man that wants to president. I think the issue isn't him so much (let's be honest there are tons of guys like him out there), but people who all their faith into him to actually change the country...and of course he let them. At the end of the day, he was actually a rather unsurprising politician during very interesting times.
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Everyone who wants to be president has a massive ego and huge ambition. The problem with Obama is he didn't spend enough time in the house, senate, or state government to learn the hard way that all his idealism about bipartisan consensus solutions and the arc of history was a fairy tale. But maybe that naive faith is a big part of the reason he won in the first place.
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JeffersonClay posted:Everyone who wants to be president has a massive ego and huge ambition. The problem with Obama is he didn't spend enough time in the house, senate, or state government to learn the hard way that all his idealism about bipartisan consensus solutions and the arc of history was a fairy tale. But maybe that naive faith is a big part of the reason he won in the first place. i doubt he needed a lot of time in the house, senate, or state governments to realize slashing social security was a bad idea, but he tried anyway! i doubt he needed a lot of time in the house, senate, or state governments to realize he should prosecute criminal bankers, but he shielded them anyway! i doubt he needed a lot of time in the house, senate, or state governments to realize he should end the NSA's overreach and stop the massive spying infrastructure GWB built up, but he kept it around anyway! i don't think you can blame obama being a bad president on inexperience or naivete anymore
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Too bad he's still more popular than your lord and savior Bernie. I wonder why that is.
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May 6, 2017 10:38
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shrike82 posted:Too bad he's still more popular than your lord and savior Bernie. a former president being more popular than current politicos? why i never!: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...opularity-boom/ guess the dems shoulda packed it in in 2015 since idiot ape GWB was more popular than sitting president obama likewise, all criticisms of GWB's lovely admin are now null and void cause GWB is just too popular to have been bad! Condiv fucked around with this message at 11:03 on May 6, 2017 |
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This is from the last page but 21 Muns posted:Are we repeating InfoWars talking points as if they were real, now? Are Hillary fans really so delusional that they actually think that she 'was just getting in the car in a hurry' as her people grabbed her under the arms to hold her up as her feet went limp?
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There are few stories I've ever seen more obviously faked than that "collapse". She was just getting in the car in a hurry and it's loving embarrassing that we're still arguing about this six months after the election.
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shrike82 posted:Which is why you voted for Trump in Florida. Says the noted troll that voted for Trump for the 'lulz'. Unlike you, I'm not doing a contrarian act. shrike82 less than a month ago posted:Seriously look at JC's post history before and after the election. It's a good microcosm of the HRC 'movement' - dismissing stuff like the email scandal as nothing, making GBS threads on Sanders and actively wanting to push away his supporters, sucking on Mook's big data dick, and suddenly after November blaming everyone else but Abuela. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 11:17 on May 6, 2017 |
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May 6, 2017 11:10
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You're doing so because you think Trump is better than Hillary. I think that summarizes where we stand.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Back to the thread topic, someone wrote a book about why Obama is the worst thing to happen to the American left ever drat! So Obama: - had a life plan - talked too much in class - was disillusioned with the sausage factory of politics - changed jobs several times to improve his life and progress his career - did cocaine in the 80s Turns out he was a monster after all. "A mixed race man decides how he identifies racially" and "A man thinks about homosexuality and how it relates to his own life in the 80s" isn't exactly shocking.
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drat, now I feel like re-watching The West Wing.
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shrike82 posted:Too bad he's still more popular than your lord and savior Bernie. Is there a poll on that? Everything I'm finding has them about even at 57.1% approval each.
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in conclusion, president Barack Obama was 70 percent correct and 30 percent wrong
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Obama was 100% trash. Here's a review of what looks like a pretty scorching biography of him: http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/02/obama-a-hollow-man-filled-with-ruling-class-ideas/
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Already discussed upthread where the author describes Obama as a gay coke fiend so good job falling for right wing bullshit I guess.
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shrike82 posted:Already discussed upthread where the author describes Obama as a gay coke fiend so good job falling for right wing bullshit I guess. Not like this takes a lot of sleuth-work when the book gets into the "too much time on the golf course!" meme. P.S. Thanks for the thread necro. According to D&D bylaws we can never have less than three threads about the same exact topic at once.
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