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Ginette Reno
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tofes posted:

this is the least excited I have ever been for the playoffs

pretty sure the Sharks are gonna curb stomp the Oilers

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Ginette Reno
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I feel like the Pens could still make it pretty far without Letang but it's asking a lot to have to beat Columbus and Washington. If they somehow got by those series they'd probably have half the roster in body bags.

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Wonderllama posted:

Go caps, preds, and Columbus (because ladyfriend is from Ohio, I guessssss)

Hating Pittsburgh isn't a good enough reason?

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xzzy posted:

Kenny Alberts sucks. I'll grant he can competently report the play and has an inoffensive voice, but has the personality of a rock.

Shoulda used Pat Foley. :v:

NBC's commentary group is garbage, regardless of the sport.

I like Kenny Albert. He's not annoying. Could use a bit more personality I guess, but that's better than being annoying.

Ginette Reno
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Pens lines at practice:

Guentzel-Crosby-Sheary
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Wilson-Bonino-Hornqvist
Rowney-Cullen-Kuhnhackl

Dumoulin-Hainsey
Maatta-Daley
Cole-Schultz
Streit-Gaunce

Murray skated too.

I like those lines. D should be alright.

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Jordan7hm posted:

The lack of Letang really hurts, but that forward group is so drat good.

Yeah and Hagelin isn't even back yet. Losing Letang hurts but the Pens forwards are even better this year than last. Sheary is better than he was, and Guentzel is a huge bonus that they just did not have last year. Rust was on pace for 20 goals and would have easily gotten there but for injuries.

Matt Cullen on the 4th damned line had 30 points and is still pretty good also.

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The Dirty Burger posted:

I see the Oilers are making up for 10 years of lost playoff revenue with their ticket prices

Thank You Fans

Preds tickets are actually more expensive for me than going to see the Pens would be. Chicago is a hot draw.

lol at those Oiler prices though.

Ginette Reno
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By my count there's 7 teams in the playoffs that have never won the Cup and a number of other teams with long droughts.

Gonna be pretty terrible when the Hawks win

e: Just 6 I guess if you count the 1927 Sens

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RC Cola posted:

Shut up that's how everyone will feel when the Pens win

If they manage that without Letang there's gonna be a lot of upset people

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Albino Squirrel posted:

N: https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/851946676260663296

V: Jesus H. Christ, Oilers. 80 bucks to stand around in a hallway and watch TV?

The Oilers reserve the right to buy out those tickets if they need to get their employees to the concession stands

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CBJSprague24 posted:

Why would there be any doubt, at all, that Murray was going to start every game?

Don't underestimate the stupidity of this franchise when it comes to goaltending. They love their Maf over here.

I mean poo poo Sullivan/JR almost cost the Pens a Cup last year by playing Maf in game 5 vs Tampa. They're lucky that when they came back to their senses in game 6 the team was still able to win the next two.

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It begins. It's too bad Letang isn't playing in this series because he'd undoubtedly do something dirty enough to bring out full Torts.

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Aphrodite posted:

2 truths and a lie.

(I don't actually know of anyone being peed on.)

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

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A playoff win with Maf in net and no Letang. Can't complain about that.

Also lol at Tanner Glass game winning goal scorer

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Furnaceface posted:

Murray reinjured his groin in warmups.

For reference, he originally injured his groin in the game against the Devils recently.

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Mind_Taker posted:

Why doesn't the NHL stagger start times for the games? There's no reason for two 7 pm starts tonight.

Also is there any word on Murray's injury? I know he's not playing tonight but any idea how long he's going to be out?

Nobody knows. If it's his groin I'd think he's out for at least the rest of this series as those types of injuries tend to linger.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

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Crosby and Guentzel own all the bones. Maf has been really good. I'm happy.

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Good Soldier Svejk posted:

You left out Sheary. Do not underestimate the littlest man.
But yeah this team is still dangerous and Columbus doesn't seem to have an answer right now for what they're bringing. They have moments of looking dangerous but they can't seem to keep that pace.

Columbus has done pretty well possession-wise and I don't anticipate things being any easier in Columbus in that regard. Pens are doing a great job blocking shots and clogging the poo poo out of the middle though. Columbus hasn't done a good enough job going east-west to open up lanes.

Ginette Reno
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I enjoy that the Pens just ignore the cheap poo poo these days and keep playing. By far the best thing Sully has brought to them as a coach.

Ginette Reno
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<---- this guy

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Wonderllama posted:

I'm ok with Pittsburgh getting further in the playoffs because I enjoy PAS shitposting, but someone has to stop them before they win the cup viva la revoluçion

If they can win four rounds without Letang and with Maf in the net for some/all of it you might as well shut down hockey

Ginette Reno
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Guentzel sticklifted the dude covering him just before the OT goal too. He's so fuckin' smart.

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Good Soldier Svejk posted:

He has no business being as good as he is. I know he has just as much of a chance to come crashing down next season but right now he and Sheary are playing like Sid-lite and that's something we've never seen in terms of his line composition.
For some reason we've been sticking him for years with these crash-bang meathead sorts and surprise, it's not the most effective use of his talents.

Jordan7hm posted:

crosby is the best, but I think this guy might be my new second favorite Pen

I can't think of the last time a good but not exceptional college guy was able to hit the ground running like this in the pros.

I mean, I don't think he's a fluke. He's incredibly smart, has good vision, good hands, and a pretty good shot. He's fairly quick as well. His only downside is size because he does almost everything well.

He absolutely ripped up the AHL too. He's for real.

Carver posted:

Yeah i dunno how they're in this position.

I guess no matter how broken and battered the team is, as long as crosby and malkin and The Kids are playing they somehow have a good chance to win.

I think the difference this year from past seasons is Crosby has two good wingers with him. I don't think they could survive losing Letang without Guentzel/Sheary around but those two are a luxury even last year's Pens did not have. Kunitz was good for a while of course but Dupuis was never as good as this year's Sheary/Guentzel.


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Sharks Eat Bear posted:

i mean sure, if guentzel and sheary were playing with bonino instead of crosby, they probably wouldn't be particularly remarkable players. but still, jake especially seems to have the awareness to take full advantage of the opportunities crosby produces, while also having enough skill to be dangerous if left unattended

not a huge sample of course, but even over his 40 games in the regular season he was producing at a ~35 goal / ~70 point pace

I don't agree with that at all. They'd still produce whether with Crosby or not. But yeah I mean they definitely take it to the next level with him. But those two are too good individually for me to think it's all Sid. There are shifts where they are the ones carrying play and Sid is the passenger and it happens on a regular basis. Sid has never had that before.

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Ginette Reno
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That Werenski pic. My god. Him coming back and playing is why playoff hockey owns though. I fully expected him to score on Maf after that and was surprised it didn't happen.

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hifi posted:

I'm glad you like him but lmao at these two sentences being placed back to back.

Being well over a PPG at age 21 in the AHL is usually a pretty good indication you've got somethin' goin there. Especially when you then follow it up with 33 in 40 NHL games.

Pretty hard to fluke your way to 75 points in 73 pro games in one year.

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Jordan7hm posted:

A thing I really liked about Guentzel is that when they called him up the in that first callup and then at the start of his second callup he was getting 3-4 hits per game, either because they asked him to play that way or because a coach's kid is just going to do whatever to make himself be noticed. When he started getting time with the top 6, the hits disappeared because that wasn't the game he needed to play. 26 hits and 10 shots in his first 9 games, 35 hits and 71 shots in his next 31.

Think he was just trying to make his mark any way that he could. Then he started scoring and he realized hey I can do more or less what I did at the AHL level in the NHL too. And now that he knows he can score he's just dominating.

He's just so efficient with everything he does though. That's what I like about him. Look at his goals tonight. Two of them were bank shots. And he rarely makes a bad pass or bad decision with the puck. He's not necessarily flashy but he rarely makes mistakes with it.

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bewbies posted:

Cages are really kind of terrible and if I had pro athlete health insurance and my livelihood depended on my being good at hockey I would strongly resist wearing one.

cue cage-chat

I grew up wearing one so they don't bother me much. In fact I put one back on after switching to a visor because I got tired of getting hit in the fuckin' teeth in beer league. The complaints about them have always been overblown imo. D1 players do just fine with them.

I wouldn't want to see NHL players wearing them though. Imagine how fearless the rear end in a top hat players would be with a full cage.

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Mind_Taker posted:

I dunno I feel like Mike Sullivan helped get rid of the old veteran garbage on his team and hasn't been afraid to play young players like Guentzel, Sheary, and Rust in the lineup. Even calling Sestito up has been for very specific (though lovely) purposes and hasn't lasted very long.

It took him a while to trust Guentzel. Kunitz spent months and months dragging Crosby down.

But yeah overall I have few complaints. There is quite simply no way that the young guys the Pens have now become the same players under Shero/Bylsma that they have under JR/Sullivan. The Pens saying gently caress it and throwing caution to the wind and bringing these kids along not only got them a cup but has them well positioned to get more. How many coaches would have Sheary/Guentzel with Crosby when they have Kessel and Hornqvist to choose from?

Hell Hornqvist is on the third line right now though I'm sure at least part of that has to do with Sullivan's obsession with rolling three strong lines.

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Pornographic Memory posted:

the only thing i really worry about with sullivan is that hes going to grind his players to dust blocking shots because if there's one thing him and torts have in common its that they loving love shot blocking

Worked out fine last year. I think it's part of their game and they need to do it to win. Their defensive scheme tends to be collapsing and blocking shots a la the New York Rangers Torts teams. Then they counter with speed. Taking that away is taking away half of their game.

Jordan7hm posted:

Edmonton - Islanders in '85 had 12 too.

Edmonton - Gretzky, Coffee, Kurri, Messier, Anderson, Fuhr
Islanders - Bossy, Trottier, Potvin, Gillies, LaFontaine, Smith

I'm actually curious what Stanley Cup Final has the fewest Hall of Famers (or presumptive hall of famers, in terms of more recent years).


Carolina-Edmonton had to be it or close to it.

Carolina: Recchi and mayyyyyybe (but probably not) Eric Staal

Edmonton: Pronger

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Jordan7hm posted:

Yeah I think we can safely say that's going to be 2.

LA vs. NJ is probably 2 as well - fatman and Doughty. Elias & some of the LA forwards might end up sneaking in, but probably shouldn't.

Elias has got a pretty good case. Best forward on several Cup teams plus 1k points. He's close.

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Paulocaust posted:

Imagine caring this much about posting on a hockey forum /\

also playoff posters, don't trust anyone that believes in advanced stats.

Paulocaust posted:

Listen, I'm not saying that the ref last night instantly gave the caps a bullshit 5 on 3 to even up the game, tried to call off a goal for a "player being in the crease" like it was 1997 and didn't give the Leafs a single PP after the first 5 minutes because he has an inherent bias or was paid off.

I'm explicitly NOT saying that.

lol

Ginette Reno
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The Rangers to me have a similar problem that the Jackets have: lots of talent but no real star player to push play for them aside from goaltending. When do teams built on depth and depth alone ever win in the playoffs? Sometimes they make the finals but it always seems like star power prevails in the end.

The Kings are the only recent winner I can think of that even remotely breaks that mold and I'm not even sure they do because Kopitar/Doughty were star caliber players at the time of their cup wins. Maybe the Bruins but then again Chara and Thomas had the best playoffs of any goalie ever.

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Paulocaust posted:

If you can't differentiate from an ironic 100 word shitpost and a 3000 word superseriouspost then the lol is on you my friend.

poo poo posting and then calling it ironic is the height of cowardice. Take ownership of your lovely opinions.

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Levitate posted:

I haven't gone back to see if there are advanced stats on his days with the Rangers but I mainly recall him being pretty dang good but prone to some fuckups now and then which made everyone flip their poo poo and hate him. He was over his head as a top pairing guy but didn't perform terribly either

Didn't he play like 99% of his shifts with Jagr. Rob Scuderi could probably look good given those odds.

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MOVIE MAJICK posted:

Is it as weird for an 8 seed to beat a 1 seed in hockey as it is in the NBA?

Probably less weird. Aren't the top NBA teams ridiculously dominant? The top seed in hockey wins the most but not by a huge margin or anything.

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RC Cola posted:

Ok so soon I have to root for the Preds to best the Blues and then after that root for the Ducks to beat the Blues and then after that either root for the evil that is Corey Perry over the Pens, or quit hockey when it's blues pens and root against the blues. Rip hockey

Ya these playoffs have indeed been good

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Torts is so quotable

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I love slap passes and really hilariously slow saucer passes that somehow get through anyways and lead to goals. Also bank shots. I love that Crosby and Guentzel use them so much. Lemieux was the master of them though. He'd be in the goddamned corner and would intentionally bank sick shots off the goalie.

I also love a good elbow. I'm not a Messier fan but this is one of my favorite youtube videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEgp-URw070

Someone needs to make a Crosby slew foots and goals video

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The Golden Man posted:

this is great but the part with the russian cocksucker flailing around on the ground like a beached fish as his putrid blood oozed out onto the ice took it over the top

I love how the commentating is always "That's a great hit and he had his head down" when the clip is some dude launching himself five feet through the air with his elbows up. Back in the good ole days you had to take off your skate and stab someone for it to be called dirty.

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Jordan7hm posted:

A thing I saw earlier today in an article about the Pens - since the line of Crosby / Guentzel / Sheary came together they've combined for 19 EV (non-EN) goals over 14 games, which is a pace of like 110 goals over a full season. Obviously nobody is going to keep up that pace, but still. drat.

Sid could probably hit 100 points again in a season with that line.

Problem is that would require all three of them staying healthy and their little midget bodies are gonna be hard to keep healthy over 82 games.

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