The democrats are a waste

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Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

he had to lock the last thread as his veil of leftism rather than fygm was uncovered a bit.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2017 17:02

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# ¿ May 6, 2024 02:02

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Kilroy posted:

good to have you back with more made up bullshit

sorry that your best bro only thinks something is progressive if and only if it give him 40k for free.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2017 19:07

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Kilroy posted:

okay well then centrists should be angry then because the party pissed away another opportunity to elect another blue dog democrats that will vote with Republicans nearly as often as he votes with Democrats

(note that I reject the premise here, but if you don't and you're a centrist then it seems you have reason to be upset, unless you're the sort who sucks off the national party without question)

ah you so reject the entire notion of representation, good to know.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2017 19:12

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Kilroy posted:

What are you talking about? I disagree he's a conservative Democrat in the style of Joe Manchin, but I'm saying that if you do agree that he is and you're a centrist then you should be upset with the DNC for pissing away a chance to elect one of your own. At what point here am I rejecting the idea of representation?

And if this is going to be another one of those things where you keep asking me the same nebulous question without explaining yourself when repeatedly asked, just let me know now so I can ignore you.

no, a consistent position that is a centrist also maintains his desire to keep it local and state level via anti-brownback, not anti-trump/national. The only way your positions work is assuming that he would have abandoned his campaign promises once in DC which is a bad thing all around.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2017 19:23

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Kilroy posted:

what specific campaign promises are you hypothetically accusing me of wanting him to abandon? single payer? $15 min wage?

Kilroy posted:

I suppose I should also point out that if Thompson does an AMA where he talks about single payer and 15 that's a lot more believable than Hillary finally doing that after figuring out the winds are blowing at gale force in that direction within her party and the Sanders wing basically forcing her to. Then mostly ignoring those issues in the general. I should point it out, even though I know you've got a ready-made excuse prepared and you don't give a poo poo.

You make distinction between Thompson and Hillary where there's none wrt policy even going as far down as promoting bipartisanship. You also consistently argue that Hillary would not enact or support leftist policy. So, if your Bernie bro won the election, was supported by the national democratic [ideals] and affirmed bernie's policies, he would be going against his constituents.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2017 19:45

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

you're mentally ill. I will embrace your views of me and vote to ensure you can never get the mental health you so desperately need.

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# ¿ Apr 13, 2017 20:15

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

very rich coming from posters itt that refuse to see suffering as anything that isn't Midwestern white.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 15:10

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Lol you're right. The suffering of ALL poor is the goal the democrats should be pursuing you unbelievable idiot

No, alleviating the suffering of PoC is what the democrats should be working towards. White people already have the system so heavily stacked in their favor that if they're unable to use the resources that have been explicitly given to them and withheld from others for relocation/retraining and a bias in the private sector charity, they can indeed go gently caress themselves. People ITT, for some stupid reason, think 15$ an hr will alleviate these problems without explicitly addressing them. It's OK that you are not altruistic but use it as a banner to feel smug, the complete and utter refusal to acknowledge that there is an "other" in this country is sickening and why the Bernout left will fail in the next 2-8 years.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 15:23

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

*sneaks up really close behind you, as quiet as a ninja*
*leans reaaaaaaaally close to your ear*
*screams ECONOMIC JUSTICE IS SOCIAL JUSTICE*

lol that you believe this.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 15:32

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

WampaLord posted:

People don't think $15/hour will solve everything, but it would help a fuckload of poor people, so let's do it and then we can work on the next thing to help more people.

"Wait and eventually we will help you."

great messaging.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 15:35

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Maybe we could make the have-nots perform some menial labor in exchange for room and board. This would be involuntary of course, they need to provide value!

But not a nice house. Maybe like a small room, with some bars for safety?

Please tell me how a 15$ minwage will address this actual issue in the status quo?

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 15:47

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

You're all so empathetic to the poor rural gently caress who's factory that was mandated by god to give him a job is leaving while not giving a poo poo about an analogous situation where communities and families being displaced via gentrification and it's very deafening. If there's a primary challenger for Trump in 2020 they'll be running on a populist message, again, which will probably include a min wage increase as well, as it will disproportionately help the Republican base as that type of work continues to dry up and there will need to be something besides trying to blame free trade. Stop giving a poo poo about the republican base and actually target the votes you just assume will go to you.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 16:01

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Just a reminder again, that Sub launched this attack because we were mocking the concept of "value to society" determining income presented by someone in the finance industry like LOL forever

strawman

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 16:01

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Oh, what was this comment in response to then? Were you just making a non-sequitor?

occasionally I like to remind this thread that PoC are the democratic base. You all get pissed off.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 16:03

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Cerebral Bore posted:

Your savior complex is leading you down some very dark paths, pal.

Obviously not working class PoC, though. gently caress those people.

The system that makes the demographic that works hardest yet has the least capital must not be directly addressed because economic justice is social justice.
:goonsay:

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 16:11

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Iron Twinkie posted:

A lanyard holding a stack of flow-charts walks up to a man in a desperate existence strung together from several part time jobs whose brother just overdosed on meth, "Sir are you aware of your white privilege?"

Yes the use of empathetic anecdote for white folk while negative for PoC is a method used to support white populist policy.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 16:14

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Fiction posted:

you're a dumbass

Did you give a poo poo about ODs in the 90s?

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 16:15

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

NewForumSoftware posted:

Did you not? Seems like reforming drug policy has been a pretty strong plank of the left for as long as I can remember

The demographic being effected by the ODs has changed whether that reform has been punishment or treatment based.

Fiction posted:

did you give a poo poo about poor people on welfare then

No, I lived in a small rural farming town in the 90s.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2017 16:26

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

nice meltdown kilory.

You reject the entire history of the southern strategy

# ¿ May 5, 2017 22:03

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

do you live in America?

it's canadian

# ¿ May 10, 2017 16:52

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

Halloween Jack posted:

Funny how liberals worship meritocracy but are more keen to apply it to the poor than to their own class of professional technocrats. How 'bout they raise the minimum wage and lynch Elizabeth Holmes? Win-win.

oh did Elizabeth Holmes stop her car in a rural town after sunset?

# ¿ May 24, 2017 17:11

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

WampaLord posted:

SHUT THE gently caress UUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

STOP POSTING! JUST loving STOP! WE ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT poo poo NOW!

bernout.txt

# ¿ Sep 2, 2017 16:47

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# ¿ May 6, 2024 02:02

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

WampaLord posted:

I'm not concerned about my "look" I just want him to go away. Enough of the thread quotes and responds to him that putting him on ignore is worthless. I want him loving banned from the thread, he has done nothing but hinder discussion for this entire thread.

JC, you're going to pull some "calm centrist" bullshit here with "Well, I would think an echo chamber could stand some dissenting opinions!" and act all in a huff, but we all know who you are at this point. Go the gently caress away, you sealion.

This is a pretty national socialist look wrt discourse tbh

# ¿ Sep 2, 2017 17:17

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