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McCloud posted:If the voters can't be arsed to vote for better candidates, then they deserve Trump, imo. i voted for bernie in the primary and gloria la riva in the general i think i voted for the better candidates where possible 
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Lightning Knight posted:This is very good and interesting but the million dollar questions are a) can this be repeated elsewhere and b) does he manage reelection without a big fat Trump-shaped weight hanging on the Republicans' necks? it's been repeated 3 times in the state lk you can try to be a little less pessimistic you know? as for "trump made this possible!!!" that's doubtful. oklahoma voted for ford after he pardoned nixon, and oklahoma loves arpaio so trump pardoning him (and banning immigrants, the wall, etc) should all be plusses for oklahoma under current theory and your reasoning Condiv fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Lightning Knight posted:Donald J. Trump is President of the United States of America with the Democratic Party in opposition, and we have about 10 years to 180 as a species to save ourselves from global warming. it's been repeated 3 times since his election, and there's nothing much that trump's done that would piss off oklahomans. we're talking about a state that voted ford after he pardoned nixon's criminal bullshit
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like, i dunno how you go from arguing "the south is too racist to vote for progressives!" to "donald trump is bringing the republican party down in the eyes of oklahomans!!" it doesn't make a single bit of sense border wall? racist oklahomans would love it deporting dreamers? ditto blocking people from entering the US cause they're too brown? ultra ditto what's the thing trump did that would piss oklahoma off?
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Sep 13, 2017 14:22
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Lightning Knight posted:It's possible for Donald Trump to make Republicans less popular but for Republicans to still win anyway because they're liked more than Democrats in Republican states, for example. oklahoma is a major republican state, steeped in patriotism, lots of military worship, etc. hell, our current governor had her daughter living in a trailer home on the lawn of the state capitol for a period. dems being electable here, when every drat county in the state has gone republican the past few presidential elections, and dems have slowly became extinct in the state government is an extremely good sign
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Avirosb posted:I know a couple of people ITT who would contest that second point. obama at least had a personality and knew he had to pander
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if hillary had won the primary in 2008 we may have had mccain/palin for president/vice president
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Fans posted:ACA passed with 0 republican votes didn't it? Why do people keep saying the Dems needed to compromise? Their compromises got them gently caress all. they had to compromise with blue dogs apparently and yet dems still don't want medicare for all to be a litmus test, cause then we might lose our poor bluedogs who make us write lovely, compromised legislation 
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McCloud posted:They needed to compromise with turds like Lieberman, who alone did tremendous damage to the ACA. But again, it was a big improvement. maybe we should make single-payer a litmus test then so we can't have tremendously damaging turds like lieberman in our party (and as potential veeps)
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Mechafunkzilla posted:They tried kicking Lieberman out, he won as an independent. how about, he should've never been a democrat to start with? and he didn't win for long as an independent now did he? maybe we should be kicking out scum like pelosi who refuse to support workable healthcare when our nation needs it so badly?
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maybe lieberman's win had something to do with the dems refusing to support lamont? quote:The story of the national Democratic Party's abandonment of Lamont will likely be written more fully in the coming weeks, with explanations of both how this happened and even more importantly, why. But the broad strokes are obvious: Almost every major figure in national Democratic politics save John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Wes Clark and John Edwards refused to seriously help the Lamont campaign. We saw this coming when, right after Lieberman lost the primary, he was welcomed with a standing ovation back to the Senate club by his Democratic colleagues. Subsequently, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid indicated that Lieberman's seniority would be preserved if he won reelection, despite the fact that he officially abandoned the party. To understand how much this abandonment affected the race, consider that Lieberman bragged in October to the Associated Press that he was actively using Reid's promise of seniority to promote his key "experience and seniority" argument -- and that such an argument was helping him win over voters. On Election Day, Lieberman appeared on Fox News to thank the national Democratic Party for refusing to help Lamont, the Democratic nominee. 
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"joepinetree posted:I just listened to PSA's interview with Clinton. I think a lot of people already talked about the most egregious points. But the thing that really bugged me was that she claimed that in 2008 she ran a campaign on the issues, unlike Bernie. And that she quit as soon as she lost. Unfortunately, none of the PSA guys pushed back (though you could see that Lovett was trying to). But yeah, the "try to get this photo of Obama in African garb - but call it Muslim garb - into as many news programs as possible" strategy was totally about the issues. As was the "I am not quitting because someone might decide to kill the first Black nomination winner" part. "is obama a muslim? not as far as i know..." - bernie in 2008 probably
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Lightning Knight posted:I think this is really uncharitable, I don't imagine he'd be great on foreign policy given his record (in comparison to what we need to change, not compared to previous presidents) but he wouldn't be in the same ballpark as Trump and I highly doubt he'd commit to any kind of surge. I mean, dems in general have been poo poo on this stuff. Or are we forgetting both hillary and obama being fine with the dapl going under the water source for native americans. Yeah, Bernie's got his weaknesses. He's bad on Israel, bad on war, etc. But he's the best choice we've had in a long time
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Chilichimp posted:Is this the democrats thread that the Trump thread has banished primary chat to? it's the one the whiners redirect people to yeah oddly enough, primary chat isn't a huge component of what goes on here, but people in the trump thread are allergic to discussing anything but how terrible republicans are
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Chilichimp posted:*Tim Allen confused grunt*  they definitely are terrible, but the dems need to improve a lot. this thread is for arguing about the democrats
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Office Pig posted:Kind of, sort of, but usually not really. The primaries usually come up as contextualization for the state of the party over the past eight years - the past several decades if you really want to dig - and understanding the spiritual crisis that has been lying dormant beneath this farcical 'end of history' era hell we're living in. i mean, hillarybook is concentrated primary chat so that's a bit unavoidable 
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thinking about closing this thread so the whiny people won't have a thread to whine people should go to anymore
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Chilichimp posted:I'm tired and misread you post, my bad. no problem
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WampaLord posted:I can see an argument for either option, I guess it's up to you. is it really a rule though? is there any actual mod decision that there's "no primary chat ever" where primary chat is whatever whiners get a hair up their rear end about that day? apparently discussing the GE is primary chat. also hillary's book. also hillary. can't talk about bernie either. nancy pelosi? only if you praise her
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steinrokkan posted:There needs to be a thread that is not quite the suck zone, not quite the trump thread. This one fulfills a niche that is important, as evidenced by the traffic it draws. If anything, it may need a refresh with a new OP and new rules against the most obvious trolling efforts. any suggestions?
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i'll sleep on refreshing the thread. any suggestions on a new op and rules are welcome. i assume jc will still be banned from the new one, but I guess i should pm r. guyovich wrt that
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yronic heroism posted:That is exactly what is being encouraged. title checks out
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yronic heroism posted:Back at ya bro. Some of us actually need to live in the US. why are you calling me sexy? you a masochist or something?
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C. Everett Koop posted:well is the avatar accurate or not it is, but i don't want that kind of attention from yronic 
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yronic heroism posted:I can't help it accelerationism is just so i'm not into any of your sick fetishes yronic masochism, accelerationism, keep that stuff to yourself thanks. maybe pm call to action he'd probably hook up with you Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Kilroy posted:"See I just can't take leftists seriously because they're always talking about "eat the rich" and I'm not a cannibal." i mean, his title says as much
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new thread! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3834630
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