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Tom Perez B/K/M?
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B 77 25.50%
K 160 52.98%
M 65 21.52%
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Apr 28, 2011

BardoTheConsumer posted:

Or we could be some sort of coalition? I mean I know idiological purity is important in this radicalized age and all but eating each other probably isn't the answer.

The coalition as it stands has a what will be a major component of it in the near future (people under 40) who are very unhappy with the coalition consensus on strategy and policy. Hence the dire straits.

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Apr 28, 2011

evilweasel posted:

how do you get those? you get those by having a majority, so all the lobbyists have to bribe you. so your hypothetical dnc still wants thompson to win, they just thought he has no chance so why bother

Nah you get those by being poo poo at your job, not trying, and getting paid anyway, which is what the Democrats do now.

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Apr 28, 2011

axeil posted:

Eh the reason I'm still one of those scary ~*centrist*~ boogeymen is because I'm more worried if we go for big sweeping reform all at once the country will literally fall into fascism. I mean, if the little incremental changes of Obamacare and actually regulating business/the environment caused this, what would happen if the status quo was attacked even more fiercely?

Lol no you're a centrist because you have a cushy finance job and don't feel bad about being a proud member of the capitalist-imperialist machine.

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Apr 28, 2011

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

Yes the use of empathetic anecdote for white folk while negative for PoC is a method used to support white populist policy.

you're a dumbass

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Apr 28, 2011

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

Did you give a poo poo about ODs in the 90s?

did you give a poo poo about poor people on welfare then

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Apr 28, 2011

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

He is a centrist in reference to your own position simply because you see anything to your right as the wrong side. He is a pretty solid center left politician. This is different than a centrist. True centrists don't exist anymore.

He's pro-privatization and is in a cozy relationship with pharma and charter school lobbyists in a state which has swung heavily Democratic because of how bad the Republican governor was. He's a centrist.

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Apr 28, 2011
Any Democrat with a hint of slimy connections to finance or charter schools should be primaried and removed from the party altogether. No exceptions unless we're talking Manchin-level incumbency.

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Apr 28, 2011

DaveWoo posted:

So, leaving Booker aside for a moment - who would you guys support as a candidate in 2020?

i would probably swallow my pride and vote for Harris assuming she tacked correctly in the primary/general. same goes for gillibrand i guess

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Apr 28, 2011

Don't you have homeless people to evict, troika.

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Apr 28, 2011

SSNeoman posted:

Pelosi also says that single payer needs to happen on a state level first, which is understandable since loving look at Obamacare and people's reaction to it.

Backpedaling now? Also single payer in the states is doomed to failure without the Fed and is a great way for Dem leadership to shrug off any suggestion that they add it to the platform.

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Apr 28, 2011

ISIS CURES TROONS posted:

In a thread about democrats being a waste and how to theoretically fix this: people unironically talking about ~violent socialist revolution~ to fix America.

Y'all are the part of the democrats that holds endless round tables on completely unrealistic pipe dreams.

Aren't you a landlord who took pride in evicting a homeless person? I think we all know why you want socialist revolution to be a "pipe dream."

Also, things are violent right now. You just aren't the target of the violence so you see no problem with it.

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Apr 28, 2011

ISIS CURES TROONS posted:

Aaaand this thread curves right back around to dumb lf.txt nonsense that would make a politican unelectable.

Does it make them unelectable because you specifically wouldn't want it because it would make it more difficult to evict homeless people?

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Apr 28, 2011

asdf32 posted:

Slavery was bad independent of the value added by slaveholders (which also wasn't zero). It was bad because it was bad.

Likewise you could still not like capitalism or argue that owners get more than their fair share while not claiming that investment and capital allocation are non-value producing tasks.

The point is that investment and capital allocation can be handled by employees just fine. There is no reason for managers/executives to necessarily be the only ones to get those sweet profits.

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Apr 28, 2011
Troika we know you prefer apolitical, economic violence like evicting homeless people to political violence.

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Apr 28, 2011

Pachakuti posted:

I misremembered, it's only 40% of Medicare recipients and 30% of Medicaid recipients.

https://assets.goodstatic.com/s3/magazine/assets/366974/original/1310161733programbeneficiaries.jpg=s500x1300

Anyways, it's amazing how the AHCA can raise premiums if the ACA does nothing to rein them in.


So they should do nothing but target nonvoters. I see. Maybe you missed the word "only" in my post?

It doesn't do enough to lower them, you disingenuous prick.

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Apr 28, 2011

Pachakuti posted:

ACA fixes could also be rammed through in 2021 where UHC legislation would take time to write and negotiate, especially a single-payer bill that would need to bribe doctors and nurses and build support from the public against the insurance companies that would be essentially annihilated by it and the medical supplies companies that would be squeezed by it.

or we could just pass a better bill people actually want instead of the lovely one people only like because the alternative to it is dying

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Apr 28, 2011

C. Everett Koop posted:

2. The protests didn't have any effect.

you should've stopped after this one lol

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