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Anyone else read 'Shattered' (the HRC campaign autopsy)? No revelations but you really get the impression that while the Russia hacks etc. contributed to her loss, it came down to Abuela being a lovely candidate.
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Panzeh posted:You do have to be careful with the stories because a lot of them are anonymous side swipes at each other. I think most of the stories are true, but the people involved may be switched around. The authors focus on making GBS threads on the Clintons, Robby Mook, and Huma Abedin because they're dead-enders, and they don't need to worry about future access to them.
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Apr 20, 2017 14:50
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Why are you guys obsessing about Booker. I can't wait for Chelsea Clinton to start running for office and really poison the well for Democrats.
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Apr 21, 2017 00:49
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https://twitter.com/variety_claudia/status/854075323314429952 It's been pretty obvious that she's preparing to run for local office for a while.
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Apr 21, 2017 00:53
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:What views has Chelsea Clinton? Another pro-banking neoliberal, who is literally married to a hedge fund manager. I can't wait for you and JC to screech about why being against her is backstabbing the Democrat party in 2024.
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Apr 21, 2017 01:00
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Personal anecdote about the Dems being intertwined with the professional/technocrat class (and consequently lost their way with the working class) - I caught a flight a couple months before the election from JFK-SFO and ended up chatting to the woman next to me. She ended up being a Columbia-educated Googler (ex-Goldman), whose parents were bundlers for HRC. We had a cool chat but I found it funny how she literally couldn't understand the Sanders movement and why people seemed to be so angry in the election. From her standpoint, Obama had fixed the economy and healthcare, people were better off than they ever were - so why were people on both ends of the political spectrum so angry? Because times have been pretty good if you're a bi-coastal professional. "American is already great"
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Apr 21, 2017 01:35
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St. Abuela quote:“A lot of times, Hillary would snap her fingers and go, ‘Gum.’ And Huma would fetch it.” Abedin took her duties so seriously, the source recalled, that when she learned that Clinton had once carried her own bag up a flight of stairs in her aide’s absence, Abedin nearly burst into tears.
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Apr 21, 2017 15:24
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Yeah, it's a bit rich for WJ to come in and declare his new-found socialist tendencies after spending the entire run-up to the election yelling 'show me the map' to Sanderistas and talking about how progressives were harming the Clinton 'movement'. Anyway, I can't wait for Obama to come back and start mouthing platitudes. quote:Barack Obama’s extended post-presidential vacation is about to end. After spending weeks in French Polynesia — including time on the yacht of the movie mogul David Geffen along with Bruce Springsteen, Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey — Mr. Obama will return to Chicago on Monday for his first public event as a former president.
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Apr 22, 2017 02:14
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democrat.txtquote:I argue in my most recent book that the American political system in fact has too many checks and balances, and should be streamlined to permit more decisive government action. Although Trump’s arrival in the White House creates huge worries about potential abuses of power, I still believe that my earlier position is correct, and that the rise of an American strongman is actually a response to the earlier paralysis of the political system. More paralysis is not the answer, despite the widespread calls for “resistance” on the left. Francis Fukuyama (a.k.a. end of history man)
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Apr 22, 2017 06:34
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Again, with JC telling Sanders voters here not to bother to vote for Abuela last year because she had in the bag, and people like Schumer talking about the white working class vote being irrelevant, it's hard to care about their stabbed in the back by leftists rhetoric now. If the Democrat party is actively pushing away voters, it's their fault not the voters. And Hillary/Mook themselves were guilty of this with the stuff that happened in Michigan.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:40
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Seriously look at JC's post history before and after the election. It's a good microcosm of the HRC 'movement' - dismissing stuff like the email scandal as nothing, making GBS threads on Sanders and actively wanting to push away his supporters, sucking on Mook's big data dick, and suddenly after November blaming everyone else but Abuela. Man, I wish I had hung out with JC on election night, that'd have been awesome to watch.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:58
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Krugman can't help himself http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-the-banks-should-be-broken-up-20160408 quote:Paul Krugman wrote an op-ed in the New York Times today called "Sanders Over the Edge." He's been doing a lot of shovel work for the Hillary Clinton campaign lately, which is his right of course. The piece eventually devolves into a criticism of the character of Bernie Sanders, but it's his take on the causes of the '08 crash that really raises an eyebrow.
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Apr 23, 2017 05:16
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I can't wait for Chelsea's candidacy https://twitter.com/mattbruenig/status/856002248798810113
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Apr 23, 2017 06:29
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The democrat party in a tweet https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/858007470073147393
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Apr 29, 2017 04:16
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I wouldn't say BLM is far from being "despised" given the media coverage on them.
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May 2, 2017 00:29
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Yeah I have to agree. Non violent protests like OWS and #marchforscience have shown themselves to have done jackshit. And the fact that self labeled leftists are "disavowing" violence is kinda sad given the long history of white liberals pretending to support protest movements like the civil rights one as long as they were not "violent". After all, property rights over human rights.
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May 2, 2017 00:53
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Most capitalists consider property damage a form of violence so still not sure what you're going on about. Look at the media coverage of a random Starbucks getting its poo poo kicked in during any given protest.
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May 2, 2017 01:05
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I think you're misreading what happened with Fox. Rupert's kids are more 'liberal' than him and have been pushing to make the company a more "diverse" company. Not to mention they're trying to buy out Sky in the UK and have to pass the 'fit and proper' test, which they failed the last time round in 2012. You're deceiving yourself if you believe your woke Tweets helped at all with this.
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May 2, 2017 02:34
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Thanks for proving my point quote:A third intersecting storyline involves the Murdoch clan, who control 21st Century Fox, the parent company of Fox News. Rupert Murdoch, who founded the company, is 86, and is in the middle of transferring power to his sons, Lachlan and James. The elder Murdoch is said to be a defender of O’Reilly, but his sons pushed for O’Reilly’s removal.
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May 2, 2017 02:38
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I have to say, for all the fire you were spitting at Hillary earlier, it sounds like you're a centrist a la Trevor Noah.
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May 2, 2017 02:43
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Is that from Fox News - you literally have to choose between a do-nothing platform like OWS/BLM, or you have to go out and shoot capitalists. There is nothing in between.
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May 2, 2017 02:48
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Again, it's interesting how people like Majorian are framing it as either "OWS/BLM" style Woke protesting or literally killing CEOs.
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May 2, 2017 02:54
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Again, this white liberal tendency to act all woke (e.g., spitting fire against Abuela) and then muffling any talk of actual protest or disruption to their lives is pretty disgusting.
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May 2, 2017 02:54
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Lol at the entire Democrat party lining up to attack the Israel BDS boycott movement as being "anti-Israel". A bipartisan letter to the UN bitching about the UN being anti-Israel includes signatures from luminaries such as Tom Cotton, John McCain, Ted Cruz, Cory Booker, Liz Warren, and Good old Bernie.
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May 2, 2017 14:02
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The fact that "progressives" like Majorian and centrists like JC are still hashing out exactly how many units of blame should be assigned to Abuela half a year from her defeat is a pretty good summary of how intellectually bankrupt the Democrats are. And a Trumpism if anything, it's easier to poo poo on Obama etc. then move onto anything constructive.
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May 3, 2017 05:17
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The Democrat party has never been the party of group 2? Join the DSA if you feel like you fall in that category.
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May 3, 2017 07:57
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It's become a truism that the Democrat party needs to move left to win again but is there any empirical evidence that there's a desire for it? Sanders lost at the end of the day to Abuela. You can argue about the DNC weighing the scales on one end, but there was also how singularly terrible Abuela was as a candidate. It's not clear to me that a Sanders analogue will be able to beat someone more Obama-like (lite) like Booker in 2020. The UK which moved away from Third-way Blairism to a musty old labor-focused movement is dying under the leadership of a true leftist. France is going through the same. It seems like Chapo Traphouse strain leftists are putting forward true leftism as a solution to the Democrat party's ailments when the two best Democrat politicans we've had in our lifetimes are Bill Clinton and Obama.
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May 3, 2017 08:05
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Ah, the no true scotsman argument applied to leftism. I guess you weren't here in 2012 when the leftists on the board were crowing about how Hollande's election was heralding a new era of leftism in Europe because Hollande at the time was pushing for pretty left measures such as a robin hood tax, a new punitive income tax bracket for the wealthy, and a reduced retirement age.
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May 3, 2017 08:26
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So a leftist gets replaced by a centrist technocrat? Isn't that exactly the reverse of what people here are arguing? What happened to true leftist "France should join a Bolivarian socialist union" Hamon?
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May 3, 2017 08:31
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A guy who slid into office on the death of a proto-neoliberal and lost to Nixon with the collapse of the New Deal coalition? You guys really need to catch up on your American history because it's becoming increasingly clear that there's a naivete about a latent leftism in American politics which doesn't exist.
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May 3, 2017 08:33
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I know it's a thing to hate Obama as the anti-left satan but he's leaving office with an extremely high approval rating kinda deflates the notion that people are sick of Obama-Clinton third-way ism.
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May 3, 2017 08:38
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I'm perfectly happy to put him on the same level as Obama and Clinton. And i said in our lifetimes, so I guess you guys are boomers then.
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May 3, 2017 08:40
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"Naming the zero leftist presidents in my lifetime and saying, "See? This is the best leftism can offer", show more how leftism is failing than anything else". Hmm, that sounds bad.
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May 3, 2017 08:43
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LOL, now we're moving further back in time. This grappling at anything that makes the Democrat party come off as remotely leftist is kinda sad. I guess we can hope zombie FDR runs and wins against Corey Booker in 2020.
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May 3, 2017 08:51
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Looking at the approval ratings of Hollande versus Obama at the respective ends of their administration, that's false. Sorry but Obama is still loved by the Democrat base, whatever you guys wail about.
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May 3, 2017 08:59
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Actually both Obama and his wife poll better than Sanders so good job? This narrative of Obama being hated by the electorate for his backstabbing leftism in the back is bizarre and not founded on any evidence. If he could have run a third time, he'd have won qed.
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May 3, 2017 09:08
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I'm pretty au fait about France but thanks for telling me that the Socialist party isn't socialist. It's really too bad both Melenchon and Hamon being ultra-leftists and still losing to the dreaded neoliberal and actual fascist factions kinda makes the narrative that people are thirsty for leftism false.
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May 3, 2017 09:13
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Leftism has never been in power but we get to hide behind political purity. *Checkmate neoliberals* This accusation of centrism being a vote loser is kinda funny when leftism is on its way out across the globe except places like Venezuela or Greece. But I can't wait to hear how they're being unfairly maligned.
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May 3, 2017 09:22
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Looking at leftists in Europol argue that they won't vote against Le Pen because they'll never vote for a neoliberal, I'm wondering who's ushering in fascism.
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I voted for Abuela not expecting the Sanders voters to blow up the country so good job digging through my post before election day?
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