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Archyduchess posted:I really don't like this implication that Xavier has just been putting on a song and dance in every monologue he's given over the past five decades of comics. I'm also not sure when this fall-out with Magneto alluded to in the text piece happens, how long it lasts, what's been quietly retconned-- like, I don't know, was ripping Wolverine's adamantium out part of the plan? Was the Mutant Massacre part of the plan? Did they have any sort of heads-up on Cassandra Nova and Genosha-- for that matter, was Genosha always doomed to failure? Was the Dark Phoenix stuff something they could have prepared for or did prepare for or was that a fresh wrinkle? It just opens up a lot of questions completely separate from the characterization stuff, and maybe in a different context I'd be very interested in seeing those questions get resolved, but right now it seems like a weirdly myopic approach to writing shared characters in a shared universe.
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Regarding post-humans vs. mutants: Evolution as a process is *mostly* slow and leads to lots and lots of mutations that aren't particularly useful for long-term survival of a species or may even be a detriment to that (though, yes, occasionally things will happen quickly as some particularly useful mutation occurs through happenstance). Powers like Beak being a chicken man are probably of minimal use, but not actively bad (indeed, he has reproduced, so it worked out well enough). Rogue being unable to touch another person without massive side-effects is actively detrimental. Wolverine being effectively immortal is *very* useful. What you can assume from here is that the useful mutations will continue along while the detrimental ones won't, but even with exponential increases in population, it's still going to be slow. Post-humans side-step all that messiness of hoping things eventually work out and improve by simply being able to say "hey the earth has no ozone layer, and there's less oxygen in the air let's give ourselves UV-protective skin and bigger lungs" for instance. And you can add whatever super-powers you want along with it since you have a genetic catalog of every mutant that ever existed. Anything mutants can do, you can do better, and and *all* of the things in any individual. There's no need to hope that Wolverine babies and Mystique babies make babies when you can just add super-healing and shape changing to the next generation. It *is* a little interesting that the post-humans are never actually shown doing anything special beyond a panel of them flying, but that may simply be that they've so completely taken control of their immediate surroundings that they don't really need to do any of that. Yes, it's true there's lots of super-humans running around with individual powers, but what if you had a being with *every* power?  (All of this ignores the ridiculousness of a gene that lets you fly or shoot lasers from your eyes, but whatever.)
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BrianWilly posted:I have to wonder about Franklin. Is it actually confirmed that he has the X-gene? I suppose it'd be weird if Reed hasn't had it genetically-confirmed. You could make an argument for Dani being a post-human (does she have powers?), but I don't think the intention of the story is that post-humans exist in the current time, and they're "enhanced" or whatever. As for how whether other enhanced humans' kids have powers, that probably depends on the specific method by which they get their powers. Janet's probably not a great example since her powers are dependent on Pym particles. Steve's super soldier serum and vita-ray treatment probably caused some sort of change on a genetic level that might get passed along, but it's probably not likely that his kids would be able to fly or shoot eye lasers or whatever. As for the actual post-humans, I believe the implication was that they were directly genetically enhancing themselves. I'm not sure that necessarily counts as eugenics but I wouldn't be shocked if that happened, too! Billzasilver posted:
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Hm. Cable/X-Men: Have Jean's powers, but not Cyclops's Luna: Powerless until post M-Day when some weird poo poo happened? Nocturne: Looks like Nightcrawler, but doesn't have his powers, but I guess has Scarlet Witch's, but she's not a mutant anymore (also alternate reality, but that's probably okay) Graydon Creed: Powerless Siryn: See post above Daken: Has a healing factor like Wolverine, but claws in a different configuration - I guess this counts as the Siryn exception? Beak/Angel's kids: They have mixes of Beak and Angel's powers That's all the children of mutants I can think of, though I'm sure there's more. Endless Mike fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Yeah, I don't think they've been around/alive at the same time until now. But also lol that Scott and Logan have bedrooms flanking Jean's.
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