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Sweevo posted:people with really bad ideas love building entire OSes around them
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Ator posted:why not just have a lisp shell wrap a normal os?? that's called emacs
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our dear forum name is pretty apropos here, as lol at writing an os in c/c++, setting oneself up for failure right there still no success at doing something saner, but the security circus does take its toll over time
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what are you babbling about
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Ator posted:why not just have a lisp shell wrap a normal os??
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Gazpacho posted:"Hmm that's an interesting oak dresser you built, but why didn't youjust buy one from ikea and paint it?" can we please not compare programming to an actual craft like woodworking? it's insanely offensive to conflate the two
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wrong
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Apr 15, 2017 19:28
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if it's offensive that's only because there are so many programmers doing lovely work for pay cf: the english frame riots
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Gazpacho posted:if it's offensive that's only because there are so many programmers doing lovely work for pay this assumes that programming is anything other than lovely, both morally and economically
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Apr 15, 2017 19:40
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programming is necessary to modern society and petty cool. the fact that capitalism makes tech culture lovely is a fault of capitalism, not programming
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Silver Alicorn posted:programming is necessary to modern society and petty cool. the fact that capitalism makes tech culture lovely is a fault of capitalism, not programming programming is a symptom of capitalism in that it is unproductive activity that is given vastly disproportionate economic importance and actively harms those who Do Real Labor
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Stymie posted:programming is a symptom of capitalism in that it is unproductive activity that is given vastly disproportionate economic importance and actively harms those who Do Real Labor it is cool and good because it makes computers do more of the labor. computers doing things is p cool actually. the wealth generated from them just needs to be distributed differently.
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Apr 15, 2017 19:59
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Stymie posted:programming is a symptom of capitalism in that it is unproductive activity that is given vastly disproportionate economic importance and actively harms those who Do Real Labor as someone who did manual labor for as long as he has programmed, don't qjuote stymie
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SamDabbers posted:it is cool and good because it makes computers do more of the labor. computers doing things is p cool actually. the wealth generated from them just needs to be distributed differently. programming is not Labor in any sense of the word, it is more akin to masturbation the wealth from those who are paid to program should be forcibly redistributed and the programmers themselves re-educated to become productive members of society
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Apr 15, 2017 20:03
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people getting stymied itt. mods, you know what to do
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btw op all my vms are in use rn so idkwts
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people who talk about Lisp as a high level or functional language have never dealt with ldb or loop most real world Lisp is imperative and/or OO, only students doing coursework write code functional-style or with needless recursion
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also it feels like my thread here has really "made it" now
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Apr 16, 2017 00:55
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only gay people program in lisp
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(((YOSPOS))), bithc.
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eschaton posted:people who talk about Lisp as a high level or functional language have never dealt with ldb or loop since there is no real world lisp my point stnads
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eschaton posted:people who talk about Lisp as a high level or functional language have never dealt with ldb or loop isn't most real world lisp clojure (and therefore functional)?
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eschaton posted:also it feels like my thread here has really "made it" now voted 5 for literally posting a thread about a POS OS
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someone wrote an NTP client in Lisp and I think a friend is going to port it to Genera so he doesn't need to set the clock after turning on his XL1201 after all, almost every IC on the densely packed 40cm by 40cm CPU card is socketed, except the loving Mostek MK48-series "timekeeper" which doesn't have a user-replaceable battery and isn't rechargeable at least Genera doesn't really use the timekeerper's nvram for anything, unlike Sun hardware, but at least Sun socketed the drat chips
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Sweevo posted:lisp is useless dogshit that only exists for academics to masturbate over
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Apr 16, 2017 09:33
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eschaton owns though thx for sharing all this info 
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eschaton posted:people who talk about Lisp as a high level or functional language have never dealt with ldb or loop the discussion was about lisps impact, it was defined in 1958, and most of what know counts as high-level or functional owes a great debt to it, it was the best example of high-level functional programming for many many years its lack of purity was, additionally, probably a happy accident, since pure functional programming remains even less relevant than lisp
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the best example of [...] functional programming for many many years smartest retard, tallest dwarf, etc
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but an inspiration to retarded dwarfs everywhere! 
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the problem with lisp is all the stupid parentheses!! surely we can fix this problem https://sourceforge.net/p/readable/wiki/Solution/
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must note again that that suggestion is in the original '58 paper overall quite safe to dismiss people who complain loudly about the parenthesis as bikeshedders, if nothing else because most lisps have far more serious issues than syntactic details (possibly excepting clojure, i will admit that i don't know it well enough, but everyitng i have ever seen of it has seemed fantastically reasonable) Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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I need a system with a rub out key
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akadajet posted:I need a system with a rub out key even if it needs a sizable fraction of an hour of hardware maintenance per hour of uptime? this recycling company got a Symbolics 3640 in (someone just dropped it off!) and they started putting boards on eBay, so I contacted them about whether they had the whole system they said "sure, want us to power test it for you?" never do this, Symbolics used a cheap vendor for the PSUs and they can fail in ways that damage the system, they need careful recapping and testing before you even attempt to run the system also you can't just sub in a modern PC PSU because they need a lot of amps at interesting voltages, like both +5.2V and -5.2V for the ECL bits
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Ator posted:the problem with lisp is all the stupid parentheses!! as a junior junior coding learner (3rd grade), once I learn why there were parens around expressions, it wasn't hard to understand. getting that explanation, and why an expression was different from a special form was different from a macro and why there are at least six different kinds of equality *was* hard to understand.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:must note again that that suggestion is in the original '58 paper   
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A monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what's the problem?
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pram posted:A monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what's the problem? So, a monad is an endofunctor?
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watch your language
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programming is an endeavor worthy of respe*vomits never-ending pseudo-mathematical jargon to conceal inherent lack of value* please give me all your money
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my goth gf posted:only gay people program in lisp Q: How is Lisp like Judy Garland? A: Both are homoiconic and died in the sixties.
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