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Ryuji, you damned idiot! You'd think that after being caught in a recording saying poo poo like this, that he'd learn to keep his mouth shut. And we're probably going to be forced to work for the Mafia to find out the boss' name, aren't we? This is going to send our reputation at school plummeting back to zero, isn't it? 
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I get it! That means even Akechi’ll hafta acknowledge us as the Phantom Thieves!
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Question, did Mishima's information arrive that late, or was it a case of you finding out seconds before receiving a message from him? It's set up like he's a joke, but it honestly seems like he would've been a huge help if we're stuck finding information by this point.
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Makoto.  I hope she's our next party member because she'd fit right in this group of Scoobies.I also like this scene in contrast to Yukari dragging the MC and Junpei to the back alleys of Tatsumi Port Island to find clues for finding Fuuka. There, Yukari had some idea what she was getting into and still insulted the punks to their faces, with Junpei getting punched as a result. Here, Makoto clearly has no idea what she's doing, and she was only aggressive about getting information about the MAFIA, with the shady guy just walking away in disgust. She comes across as more naive than stupid.
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Thank you for using those portraits because seriously, what the hell P5?  Got to be honest, Ryuji is my least favorite character right now. Between constantly shouting sensitive information, him getting angry and defensive over the others pointing out it's his fault Makoto caught us, the lack of foresight to change out of his uniform so he won't stand out, and his whining about changing targets just because it's hard to find information on them makes him the biggest liability in the group. Does he get any better later on? Or is this a case like Yosuke where Ryuji is better written in his Confidant scenes?
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ApplesandOranges posted:Ryuji is a very realistically written teenager. Like Yosuke, the narrative kind of makes him looks worse because somebody has to be the default mouthpiece or first idea, like how Yosuke has to point out all the obvious ideas that get shot down for the investigation to move anywhere. Aside from his lovely attitude towards Kanji, I was okay with Yosuke. I think the difference is how their blunders affect the party. For Yosuke, the worst that can happen with him having the wrong theories for the case is that someone gets thrown in the TV (not counting King Moron, since that's a copycat). Even then, they still have a chance to save that person. And even if the cops knew what the party was doing, I don't know if they'll be punished that harshly since they're saving people from being murdered. By contrast, Ryuji's carelessness has almost cost us everything, and it's only pure luck that Makoto wants to give us a chance. If it had been Akechi or the cops, it would be all over for the party so we really cannot afford anyone finding out.
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Oxxidation posted:That's a valid outlook, but it's worth noting that there probably wouldn't be a party without Ryuji. His "EFF THE MAN" attitude was the driving force behind the Phantom Thieves' initial determination, since the protagonist is the usual mostly-mute blank slate. Yeah, didn't someone point out that it was Ryuji's rant early in the game that gave the app the keywords to Kamoshida's castle? I do get his role in the party, it's just that plot contrivance is making him look real bad to me, and it sounds like it's going to be like that for a while. *sigh* Solitair posted:At this point in the LP I'm getting impatient for new people to join the party. Everybody we have now, Maaku and maybe Morgana excluded, has done something to make me groan at one point or another. I'm hoping the game will remember Shiho exists and she'll be one of our future party members. Or if they want to tie in P4A, have Labrys transfer as a new student. And then she'd be as subtle at hiding she's a robot as Makoto is at tailing us.
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Power Bottom posted:I feel like this is an under-appreciated moment. I found myself saying "holy poo poo" out loud when I got to that part. Ryuji don't give a gently caress. I appreciate it too. I wish he gets more scenes like this, and less of being a security leak to us. And echoing the  at Sae. I hope there's another option later on where we can rub on her face that Makoto is willingly helping us fool her or something.I can't help but compare them to the Suou brothers in P2. Innocent Sin was from Tatsuya's perspective, so Katsuya comes across as a dick who tells Tatsuya to stop meddling in police affairs. But in Eternal Punishment, Maya sees that Katsuya loves his brother and wants him to stay out of trouble. Of course, Katsuya never told Tatsuya he was worthless and a burden.
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Makoto  She's heavily telegraphed to join us, but drat does she know how to make an entrance.OddObserver posted:Not quite. Some of the personas in Innocent Sin use motor vehicles in their designs too: I know one of them is Rhadamanthus, but who's the other one? Vesta?
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Arist posted:
I guess you could say that Makoto had a meltdown so now she's going nuclear on their asses.  Arist posted:
Is it just me, or does it feel weird how the game keeps reminding you that Shiho still exist despite not letting you see her in person? I guess we're only at the third dungeon so we might see her after this, but it just feels strange that Maaku hasn't interacted yet with the first person to be nice to him.
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I realized later that Shiho was calling out for me… and I wasn’t there to help her… I didn’t want to admit my own guilt… so I took it out on you, Niijima-senpai.
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With the writing in this game, I'm honestly scared how they'll try to ham-fist Lust. Edit: GhostStalker posted:Lust was already covered, and Kamoshida fit the role pretty drat well. Oof, can't believe I forgot about him. Thanks for the correction! amigolupus fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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ApplesandOranges posted:Also Chihaya at least gives you some sense that she has some morals, whereas Nozomi is... Nozomi. Nozomi makes me wonder how much of it was the Social Link being a new feature, and how much was the writer being "lol fat people are awful".
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cdyoung posted:that wasn't what his link was about. I remember his link ending was okay, but I thought about half of his social link scenes gave him an uncharitable impression. I'm just comparing him to how P4 handled Hanako and how the writing really didn't do them any favors.
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Would Kawakami's link work better if it removed the blackmail part? Like have her student survive the accident but be hospitalized, so she does this gig to help her student's hospital bill out of guilt. Maybe even have the student's parents try to dissuade her from doing so or something. Though I guess it wouldn't fit given how the game is pretty blunt about it's "gently caress society!" theme.
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Got to agree, Hifumi is such a great dork, and Makoto continues to be the best. To those who know more about art, were the comments Yusuke received actually valid, or are they just flapping their gums? Also, maybe it's because I'm experiencing it as a screenshot LP, but I feel like Morgana is waaay too intrusive with how often he comments or asks you what you'll do next. Is he less obnoxious when you're playing the game yourself?
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Arist posted:
God, this is Ryuji's worst idea yet. Yeah, sure, let's ignore the threat of a hacker group who have been known to take down companies, and a mysterious person blackmailing to expose us! Surely they'll never do anything to us or the people in the Phan-dom who support us. You'd think Ryuji would've learned to stop treating it like a game by this point. Also, Sae continues to prove herself unsympathetic in this update. I can only hope the game doesn't force us to work with her later (Confidant aside), because she's doing her best to look like the biggest jerk.
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You mean they backed out because they’re afraid we’ll change their hearts?
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So assuming the group did the smart thing and said, "gently caress it, we need to keep investigating!", what would be their next move? They don't know who the members of Medjed are or where they live, Alibaba backed out from the deal and they can't contact him, and they don't know where Futaba Sakura is. The only thing I can think of is they could maybe try following Sojiro around when he goes to give some of the food he bought to Futaba. But aside from knowing where she lives now, I'm not really sure how it would help with the rest of this case. I guess it just bothers me a little that so far the team is forced to wait until these threats from people that they have no way of tracking finally decide to kick them in the rear end.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I really wish Ryuji would stop doing dumb things. It's starting to make him unlikable. ...Ryuji just managed to trap Futaba in her own Palace, hasn't he? And it took Yosuke till near the end of the game and a bad end to do the same thing to Namatame.
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I'm just surprised Futaba isn't pulled into her own Palace. Here I thought Morgana shouting at Ryuji not to activate the app there would have amounted to some sort of conflict, since it'd make some sort of sense. I can almost see this as the writers adding it in to justify the animated cutscene taking place in the desert, but I think the gang activating the app outside Sojiro's house would have led them to the desert anyway.
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Glazius posted:I like the murals. They're all pretty on-theme. I'm trying to be charitable to Ryuji here and consider reasons why he might be acting this way: - He's an immature lovely teen - The heat of the desert and the length of the dungeon is making him hot an irritable - There's been a lot of annoying puzzles and death traps - Maybe he doesn't know how to deal with someone who asks for help but pushes those who want to help away? But the fact that going through the dungeon means he's seen what Futaba's going through and heard how people are awful to her, and how none of the team have reacted in a similar manner makes Ryuji being an rear end in a top hat here stand out more. It's also weirdly inconsistent because he dropped a "gently caress!" when he heard how people were awful to Futaba to show that he cared about her problems.
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Huh, so the Mom Cognition here is really just a manifestation of the false guilt those assholes gave to Futaba? I honestly thought it would take a darker direction and it would be revealed that Futaba's mom implanted part of her psyche into her child right before she died, and the Thieves had to exorcise it from Futaba. While I'm all towards the assholes who tried pinning them murdering Wakaba (because let's face it, that's probably what happened) on Futaba...it also seems kind of contrived, I guess? I mean, that's Wakaba's funeral so we can assume her relatives and close friends attended it, including Sojiro (I forgot if it's mentioned, but is Sojiro supposed to be Wakaba's boyfriend?). It just seems really silly that not one of them even tried stopping or punching the assholes for even daring to read a suicide letter blaming the dead person's daughter to her own face.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:For all we know, her mom might not have any friends other than Sojiro. And Futaba's alive relatives could be few and those few can be terrible people. mastersord posted:Again, I'm also guessing that no one wanted to make a bigger scene since it was at a funeral. More realistically, the memory we're seeing may still be a little fractured or not even complete. The part where Wakaba's family has these assholes escorted from the premises was probably not in Futaba's memory, because the reading its self is where all her guilt is linked to. She probably didn't see that part or remember it because she was in shock and shut down at that point. All we have to go on are the words that caused her pain and we're not seeing the rest of the scene at this point, assuming we ever will. These are fair points. I just find it a bit hard to believe that Sojiro would have just stood there and let the black-suited assholes read even a couple words of that hosed up letter without interrupting them with a well-deserved punch. Maybe it's like what you said, Sojiro could still have done that but Futaba was still too traumatized to notice people had defended her. Omobono posted:On one hand, I'm kinda glad that they're not using Nyarly for the main games. I still think Nyarly would have made a ton more sense as the villain or P4A Ultimax instead of whatever the hell we got.
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Drakenel posted:I just figure that Nylar finally figured out that there's an entire rest of the world to gently caress with. Meanwhile Philemon keeps punting Igor into japan to welcome people to the velvet elevator/limo/prison. Japan makes too many anime protagonist heroes for Nylarly to get any work done. Something something Nyarly taking form as Trump.
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Compared to his usual role in party scenes where he's this one-note "Have I mentioned I want to eat?" character, I kind of prefer Yusuke in his Confidant scenes here since he feels like an actual character. So wait, maybe I'm not remembering this correctly, but isn't the deadline to finish Futaba's palace about two days before the deadline with Medjed? Assuming that Futaba will recover the day after her own deadline, won't the team not have enough time to find out Medjed's identity and do something about them?
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Sadly, I feel like Yusuke and Hifumi would end up filling the same role in the party (though maybe Hifumi won't end up blackmailing the party, so that's a plus on her). They both seem like great characters in their confidant scenes because it actually focuses on exploring their character arc. But if Hifumi had been the party member instead, I can totally see the main writer reducing into someone one-note whose only contribution to the party is shouting wacky chuuni lines. Blademaster_Aio posted:I don't think Hifumi can contribute anything to the party dynamic. What DOES Yusuke contribute to the party dynamic, exactly? The only thing I can remember is him constantly going on how he's hungry. He's like Ilyana in Fire Emblem to me.
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Arist posted:
Huh, so we're actually doing something about the person trying to ruin Takemi's life. And I'm guessing we'll get to do the same to the folks blackmailing Kawakami and the chairman Chihaya is talking about? I get that it fits with the game's themes and that the folks in question are huge assholes, but I just find it a little weird to have Maaku take such an active role in a social link like this.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Man, that was a really big period of nothing to get to "And then Futaba typed their problems away." I'm still hoping it's Futaba hacking into an AI or a server used by Sae's boss, because it's the only thing that would make sense at this point. I seriously can't believe that members of not-Anonymous wouldn't be shitposting online about how they'll wreck the Thieves, or do the Purge/Cleanse before the deadline just to be complete dipshits.
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So Medjed really WAS a group of not-Anonymous? And Futaba defeated them just by hacking their homepage and doxxing one of them? Why does this entire subplot feel so damned underwhelming? I just have trouble believing that not-Anonymous wouldn't act like a bigger rear end in a top hat in this case. I would've thought there'd be more shitposting and trolling on message boards, constant DDoS attacks on the Phan-site, or even doxxing Mishima.
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Materant posted:I mean, people treated Anonymous like something to actually be afraid of for a while, too. Then people cottoned on to the fact that Anonymous had a very loud bark but was largely toothless. Oh, I have no problems accepting that Medjed's bark is worse than their bite. I just have trouble believing that Medjed would let 3 weeks pass like this without constantly trying to poo poo-talk #Millenials. really queer Christmas posted:The problem is they’re built up to be this big threat in the first place. I have to wonder if this part was rewritten or something. I mean, maybe the original plan was for Futaba to be both Medjed and Alibaba? As Medjed, Futaba would hack into companies and taunt the Phantom Thieves to steal her heart, while she would give hints to the her identity as Alibaba. And maybe once they're done with her Palace, Futaba would release a statement on the internet as Medjed saying how the Phantom Thieves helped her and all that. Like maybe this was all supposed to be a convoluted plan because it's part of how Futaba doesn't really know how to ask for help. But then the writers realized making Futaba actually hack into companies might put her in a bad light, so they inserted not-Anonymous into the story at the last minute and that's why the Medjed we got didn't really had much presence in the story.
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I feel like this part with Hifumi could be improved if: - Hifumi's mother is in scenes near the beginning of the link and that we actually see her refusing to listen and being awful to her own daughter, rather than hearing about it all this time. - There's a scene where Maaku and Hifumi actually TRIED to reason with Hifumi's mother first. - Hifumi mentioning how she wishes the Phantom Thieves could help her.
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Closed-Down Pizza Parlor posted:it's also way more harmless than y'all are making it out to be I feel it's more that this is yet another part of how the game treats Ann so weirdly. Like yeah, the fanservice by itself is bad, but it really sticks out like a sore thumb because of the message this game is trying to say.
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At first I thought the game was actually being decent by skipping the painful pick-up scenes, but then we got to that terrible homophobic joke and I almost lost my appetite there. And I gotta admit, Yusuke's slowly growing on me with the lobster scene. Shine on, you crazy bastard.  Oxxidation posted:Also yeah, as obnoxious as Morgana can be, Ryuji’s taunts start to cross a line here and it’s unpleasant. For multiple reasons. Can we switch Ryuji for the lobster? It would probably make a better teammate.
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What makes Morgana kind of terrible for me is when he makes comments like how hot Ann is, or that comment in the beach scene about how girls don't want to eat much so their bikinis would fit them. He's AWARE exactly what he's saying, which breaks my impression of him being a harmless mascot. It's like Morgana's a complete opposite to Teddie, who has a kid's mentality. Like, if you ask Teddie what "scoring" is, I'm almost certain he'd say it's smooching and hand holding. And anything weird Teddie says feels less like being a perv, but more like a kid brother repeating whatever terrible poo poo they heard from the TV or from Yosuke (but mostly Yosuke). And yeah, Morgana was a complete dick to Ryuji before, but Ryuji's going a bit too far here.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:How are these guys not major antagonists? They're as bad as Kamoshida. Honestly, it feels like they'd fit in as better antagonists than Kaneshiro. Like, Kaneshiro was nasty but his brand of poo poo is a lot less insidious than the Takases. You could even try and place the Takases right after Kamoshida so poo poo about the school being hosed up is still fresh in your mind.
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Stroth posted:Sojiro A: Probably doesn't give a poo poo what he's up to after the shop closes as long as he's not making a mess and the cops aren't showing up. And B: would probably be encouraging Maaku in seducing older women. Whoa, whoa. Sojiro is a cool and good dad, and I would not have you besmirch his name by saying he's a horrible enabler like the P3 MC. 
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Clarste posted:The most common theory is that they left the whole Hawaii trip in because they'd already commissioned the anime cutscene for it prior to finalizing the story. I can see that, but it still doesn't explain why the writing in this trip feels so disjointed. The update points out small details that are either quietly dropped or seem inconsistent, and I can't help but wonder if another pass through the script would have caught those. Arist posted:
Wait, is this for real?! I honestly thought Shiho would return to the cast after this school trip and become either the next party member or a Confidant. Like she's the first person in Shujin to have been nice to Maaku, she's the one who suffered the most from Kamoshida the school's incompetence, and she probably would have a huge beef against lovely adults taking advantage of youths. Why would she get dropped???I mean, you could probably replace Mishima with Shiho. You could have Maaku visit her in the physical rehab center, find out she's made the Phan-site on her laptop and that the Phantom Thieves taking down Kamoshida has made her their biggest fan or something.
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The school trip… Shiho was really looking forward to this…