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Craptacular! posted:Are the X3Ds really even worth all that money? It's a significant jump. There seems to be a "gaming vs productivity" battle between them, and I do a lot of both since I often run AV1 software encodes. Running an encode and playing a game at the same time is peak heavy load for me.
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Craptacular! posted:My friend on a 5900X/3080, and a 3080 is a pretty significant jump in most games, and gets 50. He plays Cyberpunk tricked out and is happy, so I'm guessing it's not a video card thing, but WoW being an ancient game brought up to date over generations to be merely "old". All the usual caveats when Ryzen launched about IPC and gaming optimizations favoring Intel over the 2010s TickTockTockTockTockTock period. You are right, in that WoW is an ancient game, being 20 years old this year. However the engine is not. There have been multiple Dev interviews over the expansions where they have said that there is simply nothing left of the original engine anymore. It was during Cata development where they said only about 30% was left. Personally I wouldn't really bother with an AM4 upgrade. Yes AMD is still putting out something for it, which is honestly surprising, but it's a pretty dead-end road now. It's looking like the (probably called) 9000 series will be out next year, with more X3D 7000 series due out this summer.
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Koskun posted:The X3D CPU's do help in WoW. All those spell and itemID's it can store in that 3d cache, and I've read from more than a few people that it does make a noticeable difference. Worth it over an non-X3d CPU? That is up to your bank account I'd say. The benefit of the X3Ds in WoW (and other MMOs, particularly FFXIV) is that they can fit the entire display list of the absolute fuckton of vertices on screen in crowded areas in the cache. It's all about pumping out draw calls, the stuff relating to spell and item IDs is a tiny fraction of CPU time by comparison.
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Thanks everyone. Based on everything I have to go on, I should probably get the 5700X3D whenever it's not at that price. I have a $20 5-pipe single tower air cooler that fits in the O11 Dynamic (Thermalright Assassin King SE120) that I bought when a $150 360mm water cooler I bought failed and got recalled. I'll probably sell the boxed replacement cooler for like $100 or something and the 3700X for $90 and see what I can get for $225ish. Koskun posted:Personally I wouldn't really bother with an AM4 upgrade. Am AM5 system is overkill for a 3070ti and I don't see myself getting anything better anytime soon with the way the GPU market is going.
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Theris posted:The benefit of the X3Ds in WoW (and other MMOs, particularly FFXIV) is that they can fit the entire display list of the absolute fuckton of vertices on screen in crowded areas in the cache. It's all about pumping out draw calls, the stuff relating to spell and item IDs is a tiny fraction of CPU time by comparison. It’s often described that way as a simplification. You don’t want a cache miss when the server tells you that the 230th cat girl next to the Limsa Lomimsa market board did something.
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Craptacular! posted:Thanks everyone. Based on everything I have to go on, I should probably get the 5700X3D whenever it's not at that price. An inexpensive cooler is TBQH fine on X3D chips. They produce less watts than regular Ryzens of the same generation, but run hotter because the extra silicon layer is effectively insulation. You lose a little bit of boost but it's a few tens of mhz, entirely trivial.
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Koskun posted:It's looking like the (probably called) 9000 series will be out next year, with more X3D 7000 series due out this summer.
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repiv posted:RE Engine calls checkerboard rendering interlacing for some reason Ok, that makes a little bit more sense.
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I was gonna upgrade to my new 5600. I thought my BIOS was updated but it turns out it wasn't, so my PC wouldn't start with the new CPU. So I had to search for the manual for my motherboard on my phone. Learn how flashing the BIOS without the CPU worked. Dig through my boxes to find a FAT32 formatted USB drive. Stick it into my wifi router. Download the BIOS ROM on my phone. Send it to the USB. Then I could flash the BIOS, and now it works.
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Jack Trades posted:I was gonna upgrade to my new 5600. I thought my BIOS was updated but it turns out it wasn't, so my PC wouldn't start with the new CPU. Maybe try checking your bios version before you start taking apart the PC bud? Should at least help for next time
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Rawrbomb posted:Maybe try checking your bios version before you start taking apart the PC bud? Should at least help for next time Clearly I should've double checked that, but I was pretty sure I updated it relatively recently already.
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Jack Trades posted:Clearly I should've double checked that, but I was pretty sure I updated it relatively recently already. Hey you got it done in a much more educational, albeit slower fashion!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCuVEuFIkew A "Ryzen 7 5700" part has appeared in retail markets over the last couple weeks and, breaking with tradition for non-X parts, it offers half the amount of L3 and is even slower than the 5600 and 5600X in gaming. It's a pretty scummy move since the halving of L3 may not be immediately obvious to consumers, and none of the other non-X parts that have come to retail have done this. Parts like the 3600, 5600, and 7700 have become known as great value CPUs, so the 5700 coming with such a disadvantage is a real bummer.
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Anything but making the cacheline bigger is universally regarded as a bad move and will make a lot of people angry.
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half the L3 makes me think this is a Cezanne 5700G with the iGPU turned off? it's definitely bad naming; a Ryzen 5500 is a whole 100 less than a 5600, to denote that it's definitely of a lower tier than a 5600 non-X
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Yeah that makes sense, it existed (for OEMs) since April 2022. Sure it doesn't fit the "profile" of other x700 non-x Ryzens, but for this SKU the cache is the main difference according to the AMD website (same cores, threads, TDP, max. boost clocks).
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gradenko_2000 posted:half the L3 makes me think this is a Cezanne 5700G with the iGPU turned off? The 5600 is a 5600X minus X, so the 5600G minus G is called the 5500. The issue with the 5700G minus G is that they can't just drop 100 from the name, so they just said gently caress-it and sent it anyway.
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The Ryzen 7 5699
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gradenko_2000 posted:The Ryzen 7 5699 I mean... if only they sold it for $56.99
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I mean, there's always 5650. Heaven forbid we ever do anything with the ones digit other than 0 or 5 - that's a clear indicator of a trash product or something. Maybe Intel's new foray into three-digit part numbers will bear fruit, I see they have a couple 4s in the series.
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According to pcpartpicker I counted 15 separate 5000 series chips, I think that might be too many guys! Which of the new CPUs actually makes sense as a consumer except for the 5700x3d?
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Mahatma-Squid posted:According to pcpartpicker I counted 15 separate 5000 series chips, I think that might be too many guys! Which of the new CPUs actually makes sense as a consumer except for the 5700x3d? The 5800X3D for gaming even more, and a 5950X sure does have a lot of cores if you're into that sort of thing. Maybe a 5700G if you don't have a graphics card. hth
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Eletriarnation posted:I mean, there's always 5650. Heaven forbid we ever do anything with the ones digit other than 0 or 5 - that's a clear indicator of a trash product or something. Maybe Intel's new foray into three-digit part numbers will bear fruit, I see they have a couple 4s in the series. Apparently a ryzen 5 5645 is a thing. https://www.amd.com/en/product/12186 I look forward to GN Steve’s rant about numbers this causes. 5700 is just about the worst name they could’ve picked.
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LRADIKAL posted:The 5800X3D for gaming even more, and a 5950X sure does have a lot of cores if you're into that sort of thing. Maybe a 5700G if you don't have a graphics card. hth Those aren’t new chips, though.
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hobbesmaster posted:Apparently a ryzen 5 5645 is a thing. https://www.amd.com/en/product/12186 As far as I can tell the 5645 is just the Pro version of the 5600X. Same core count, clock speed, cache, architecture, and TDP. Same thing for 5700X/5845 and 5900/5945. No idea why they couldn't just have the same model numbers with Pro at the end.
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Subjunctive posted:Those aren’t new chips, though. Who said anything about new?
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LRADIKAL posted:Who said anything about new? The post you replied to? Mahatma-Squid posted:According to pcpartpicker I counted 15 separate 5000 series chips, I think that might be too many guys! Which of the new CPUs actually makes sense as a consumer except for the 5700x3d?
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LRADIKAL posted:Who said anything about new? Yeah, I was specifically referring to the new pile of CPUs AMD dropped at the end of January. I worded it badly but I wasn't looking for advice, more commenting that the other new CPUs sit in a weird space where they don't make much sense (at least where I live) for anyone to buy, and make for a super confusing product stack.
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Looks like the big 4 are rolling out the AGESA 1.1.0.2b bios updates for all their boards. If you get one of the new APUs (looks like the 8600/8700 are in stock), make sure you get the updates. They should fix the STAPM issue, which is one of the wilder early adopter issues ive seen as of late.
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Subjunctive posted:The post you replied to? oh wow, i couldn't see that word.
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The same thing happened with Intel, the 12700K is faster than and has been cheaper than the 12700 non-K.
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Makes sense considering that the 5700 comes with a cooler and the 5700X does not.
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Eletriarnation posted:Makes sense considering that the 5700 comes with a cooler and the 5700X does not. But in that case the 5700G comes with the same cooler, a functional GPU, and 100mhz more base clock for $15 cheaper?
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Cygni posted:But in that case the 5700G comes with the same cooler, a functional GPU, and 100mhz more base clock for $15 cheaper? But half the L3 cache which is big downgrade.
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the 5700 has as much cache as the 5700G it doesn't make sense for the 5700 to be the most expensive in the lot, because you're either getting a faster CPU with the X, or a working iGPU with the G
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The only possible advantage is that 5700's included cooler is slightly bigger than the 5700G's. They're both lovely stock coolers, though.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The only possible advantage is that 5700's included cooler is slightly bigger than the 5700G's. They're both lovely stock coolers, though. good catch, didnt realize the 5700 came with a Spire instead of Stealth.
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Intel set the standard so low for “lovely stock cooler” that it feels wrong to call the current AMD stock coolers that.
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The wraith stealth is not much better than the current i5 stock coolers. The wraith spire is maybe twice as thick, but it's pretty much the same deal with a metal slug in the middle and fins radiating out from that. The Prism is the only AMD cooler that can be considered good because it actually has a decent fin stack and a few heat pipes. If that came with the 65W TDP parts, then it would legitimately be viable to just stick with it.
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