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Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Well bummer that sucks but i can understand why tho

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Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

what am i missing here?

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
I really want to see what 3600mhz+ ram does for threadripper

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Risky Bisquick posted:

Taking a quad channel platfrom and only running 2 fast dimms instead of 4/8 :thunk:

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-4200c19q2-64gtzsw

(god only knows how much that would cost)

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
god what a loving stupid argument to try and make, "hey lets take a platform that has proven results that ram speed has a very real and direct impact on gaming benchmarks and run it at loving DDR4-2400

2400Mhz


3600Mhz CL16

from this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA&t=215s

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
If anyone is on the fence now is the time to buy a 1950x, EBAY has 20% off electrical goods

Scarecow fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Aug 18, 2017

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
woops sorry looks to be Australian ebay only https://www.ebay.com.au/

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Make sure its 3200cl14 or better ram
And since its quad channel get 32gb

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

eames posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtB3uirEhbY

Destiny 2 CPU benchmarks by Gamer's Nexus

So SMT atm is completely not being used by D2, sure hope that changes by the time the full game comes out

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Paul MaudDib posted:

There's the typical 10% improvement between the 7600K and 7700K so SMT is being used. Based on the fact that the 1600X and 1700 score the same it probably isn't scaling past 12 threads - which is not unusual for games.

no its that SMT for AMD is flat out not being used atm see in the article
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3038-destiny-2-beta-cpu-benchmarks-testing-research
"For one instance, Destiny 2 doesn’t utilize SMT with Ryzen, producing utilization charts like this:"

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Arivia posted:

I think the only important thing from that GN article is this, and it shows how Intel is still totally ahead in everything and perfect in every way:



yes lets just ignore that SMT is not working for AMD cpus in D2 atm

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

yeah I missed that one

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Cygni posted:

Isn't 2+2+2+2 the Epyc 7251?

Last i heard it was impossible for tr to do that so you could only have 2 (2+2), 2(3+3) and 2(4,4)

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Hhrrrrfgh i can only be this erect for so long

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Even if it was just a clock bump that would shake things up so hard

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:

Ryzen update: I indeed got dud RAM sticks, the replacement memory runs like charm at 3200MHz. On the other end, 1700X isn't really overclockable, you can bump it to 3.7GHz for example but the system will crap out in a matter of minutes. I can only run it at stock 3.4GHz, which is a minor disappointment but oh well. :)

what are you using to cool it?

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
yeah that could be your problem, what temps are you hitting with it?

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
So I got my Threadripper build finally finished (for now) and im running at:

4.1ghz 1.385v
3200Mhz 14-13-13-28-42
2 Sli 1080tis @ 2076Mhz core

measured from the Vcore pinout my Zenith board has and only hitting over 60c when I run prime95 ( cpu hits 310W :staredog: )

Also getting some sick mad 3Dmark scores in Firestrike like this one :
30K
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22326827

still need to work on getting Pstate clocking to work

Scarecow fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Sep 25, 2017

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

FaustianQ posted:

310W for 16 cores running @ 4.1GHhz seems...low?

I'm going off by what HWinfo says my cpu power draw is so :shrug:

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

FaustianQ posted:

It's just that Skylake-X seems to draw way, way more.

It could be because intel includes vrm power draw while amd does not?
I'll look into it tonight after work

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

ufarn posted:

The 99th percentile performance if Intel vs AMD is pretty disgusting. Selling people on Ryzen as a videogame CPU is hard, and marketing CPUs to "content creators" (ugh) is still a new concept, but looks like that's what AMD needs to do given how the videogame performance looks.

Do they list the specs for the amd systems ib that list? Theres a noticeable difference in 99th frame timings on ryzren when you go over 3200mhz

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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Xae posted:

I might have to break the Bank and build myself a 1950X.

Have they committed to socket TR4 for Ryzen+/2/whatever?

they had said they are committed to the AM4 slot for the next few years so I dont seem them changing their minds for the TR4 ( I have zero regrets about buying my 1950x)

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

redeyes posted:

I wouldn't build a Ryzen system with tread ripper available. Ryzen is kind of the gimped version of the real thing.

but dont forget TR comes with its own issues of some older programs breaking due to its design and for pure gaming you would be insane (like me) to get one over a 8700k

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

NewFatMike posted:

They binned extra good ones for TR didn't they?

They sure did given i can run my 1950x at 4.2ghz all cores and not miss a beat besides prime95 (who cares about prime anyway)

Threadripper is loving awesome and gently caress the haters that think otherwise

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Combat Pretzel posted:

I want one, but I'm still going to sit it out until a Zen 2 based one. Which may take a while. :[

Good news friend! AMD will no doubt support this socket till at least zen2 (there by TR2 drool) untill 2020 at least so why wait?

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Maybe for Ryzen2 you might see cores change and clocks that high, but Ryzen+ will be maybe 4.3 to 4.5ghz and bettern memory timings thats about it

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
The MLs are head and shoulders above anything noctua can do these days

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
A 4.7ghz TR makes my nipples rock hard god drat i want it

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Paul MaudDib posted:

AMD's latest marketing is blowing right by cringe and back into hilarious.



You can tell it's authentic by the way it is.

You are the biggest stick in the mud when it comes to anything threadripper dude lighten up

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
First the monstertruck hate now this tisk tsik

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

FaustianQ posted:

GloFo 7nm seems marginally superior to Intels 10nm though from wikichip.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/10_nm_lithography_process

GloFo 7nm (DUV)
30nm Pitch
56nm CPP
40nm MMP
0.0353 µm² SRAM (HP)
0.0269 µm² SRAM (HD)

Intel 10nm
34nm Pitch
54nm CPP
36nm MMP
0.0441 µm² SRAM (HP)
0.0312 µm² SRAM (HD)

:flashfap: holy poo poo yeaaaaaah

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

EmpyreanFlux posted:

Rome wasn't built on one die.

God drat son

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Otakufag posted:

Hi will a Ryzen 4600 bottleneck a 3080??????

Atm yes since you can't buy a 4600, once you can, no

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Sli 3090 is a case of ether you need it for work making money or you don't need it, end of story

SLI could not be any more dead then it currently is, only thing to top it would be Jensen telling you that a stupid mother fucker for buying 2 3090s

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
Why are all these early reviews using absolute trash tier memory and timings what the gently caress

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Any word on what the optimal RAM speed is for Zen 3? A quick Google search showed me a bunch of pre-launch speculation.

4000mhz CL15 is what you want to get that sweet sweet 1:1 dram/IF ratio

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

CaptainSarcastic posted:

I haven't hosed around with my memory aside from enabling XMP. My impression is that since I'm comfortably at 3200mhz with memory rated for 3200mhz at CL16 that any gains I would get from monkeying with it would be minimal. Is that a fair assessment?

it can be quite straight forward depending on the ram you have, make use of this as well https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
the meme of 3200mhz ram being ok and what you should get needs to die in a fire already. you owe it to yourself regardless for zen3 to get as close to FLK 2000 and 1:1 as possible, take SotTR and Total war for example from a video GN did on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhwBk8GE6M&t=499s

SotTR
tuned memory avg 211 1% low 142 0.1% 122
stock & 3200 cl 14 avg 195 1% low 123 0.1% 109

percent difference avg 7.8% 1% low 14.3% 0.1% 11%

Total war
tuned memory avg 156 1% low 95 0.1% 81.3
stock & 3200 cl 14 avg 135 1% low 78 0.1% 68

percent difference avg 14% 1% low 20% 0.1% 17%

find yourself a set of double rank 2x16gb that do 3800mhz with good timings and spend some time to tuning it, you owe it to yourself to get that latency on the IF as low as you can dont buy 3200mhz memory unless you cant afford something better or you feel that you know enough you can play with subtimings to get it to a higher speed

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy
There's use for it even at higher resolutions as your 1% and 0.1%s still go up and from what I've seen online the 100-200mhz on the cores isn't that big lifting part. Its getting that IF running as as fast as your board and chip can get it

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Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

how come the interminable memory chat is always "oh ya find some e-die, find 3600/3800/4000/9999mhz" or whatever, but never any actual links to example good sets of ram?


3800mhz 14-16-16-36 CL14 16gb
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232933?&quicklink=true

should be able to get 4000mhz cl14 with a little time spent with the Dram calc so long as your board is up to it

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