Lord Stimperor posted:

TLDR the AIO is borked, I think. I'm gonna order an air cooler tonight, I've had it with this bitch that takes up so much space and where you can't see whether it's working.


Long story:
I've pulled out and cleaned most of the components. I think that I used a thermal pad when I put on the CPU cooler the first time. Unfortunately it only covered about 2/3 of the heatspreader, which is a bit disappointing. I put on some fresh paste.

I also changed the location of the radiator. Previously, it was located at the top of the case, as I reasoned hot air would want to naturally want to travel upwards. Downside is that the pump also had to force the water upwards. Now I've mounted the radiator to the only other possible location in the case, the back panel. The in- and outputs of the radiator are now below the CPU. If I understand correctly, this arrangement should make it better for the water to flow.

The thing is, the radiator stays cold all the time. The CPU is running at 80+ degrees. The tube and cold plate casing get hot. But the radiator remains at the same temperature as the case, cool to the touch. That means its hosed, right?

Lord Stimperor posted:

Yeah that's what I figured in my last post, CPU being hot but radiator cold says to me that the water isn't circulating. I'm currently going back and forth between a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 with RGB bling, a be quiet! Dark Rock, and a Noctua NH-L12. For the first two it comes down to performance; what speaks for the latter is that I just don't like big towers very much. That was the reason I wanted the AIO in the first place.

ChazTurbo posted:

My 3600 is weird. It idles at around 40c but never goes over 70ish when under load.

K8.0 posted:

GN has done testing on them. They're not good. Sure, they will work on a low-power system - but you're spending more money for worse performance, in order to gain what? More convenient repeated removal and reinstallation of HSF on a low-power system where you have no reason to be doing that? I can't see a reason to ever use them unless it's for some really bizarre application where environmental factors would cause thermal paste to age extremely prematurely.

Lord Stimperor posted:

BIOS is (now) updated to the most recent version. All chipset drivers were already the newest. In fact, the windows installation was about a day old when I made the first post, couldn't have been much cleaner.

Windows Event viewer always says something along the lines of error 6008 -> error 41. To my knowledge that means something along the lines of "There was a crash, had to reboot".

I've made a bit more progress but it hasn't been super elucidating. Creshes also occur with every possible combination of RAM sticks and slots. On the software side, I've used memtest pro, testmem, and prime 95 to stress memory and CPU, respectively. The computer can these for hours on end without problems. But when I interact with it, it's a matter of moments to minutes until it crashes. And with 'interact' it is really something as simple as writing in Notepad. You leave it, it runs. You touch it, it breaks.

That doesn't rule out a hardware problem of course, but as a result I'm looking at Windows itself again. I'm now on a Ubuntu live disk and lo and behold, I can type messages, browse YouTube and dick around without anything happening. Windows itself was complaining already during the installation procedure, and crashed from the start.

If Ubuntu works the rest of the evening, I believe I'll just wipe the C:\ drive and start over.

CaptainSarcastic posted:

My most recent forehead-smacker was being mad about my Internet speed being lower than what I paid for, and doing all sorts of tests, removing a filter from the coax, checking my wireless router, and cursing my ISP in general. Then I finally thought to change the cable between modem and router, and lo and behold it turned out to be old ethernet that would only handle 100Mbps. New ethernet cable and I'm getting better speed than I pay for.

LRADIKAL posted:

Wait a minute. Under what conditions would a modern CPU actually overheat itself causing damage? Ryzen throttles to stay at 90, and there's a shutdown at a temperature that I don't know above that. Right?

Shipon posted:

Aww way to ruin it, it was much funnier to think that he pivoted from making up CPU poo poo to COVID denier

Paul MaudDib posted:

Malloc Voidstar posted:

Multi-display is eternally hosed up with regards to cards going to idle state, at least with Nvidia

fast cars loose anus posted:

I feel like I need a sanity check on my CPU temps. I've got a newish build (basically 3 weeks old) with a Ryzen 9 3900x on an MSI x570 gaming edge. Using the Wraith that came with it, in a case with 3 front fans and a back fan, room temp generally ~24c. When idling I'm usually betwen 45-50c and playing hitman 3 with settings jacked usually between 70-80c. Running prime 95 in the highest stress gets me to 75-80 degrees at 3700 Mhz (monitoring done with AMD Ryzen Master). In the most recent one, 10 seconds after I stopped Prime95 it had dropped from 78c to 52c and was down to 47c 20 seconds after that.

Anyway I put all that probably too much detail in to ask if when I open this thing up later in the week to add my new NVMe drive if I should reseat the wraith with new thermal paste (I have some arctic silver lying around but just put it on with the stock thing that was on it out of the box when I built it). I hear Ryzens run hot and going back several pages in this thread I seem to get the idea that mine might be more than it should be even taking that into consideration. Thanks for your help!

Ihmemies posted:

Some of the coolers are not flat. They are convex for whatever reason. So only the "tip" touches the CPU properly and the coolers rotate easily because the contact area is so small - even when properly tightened. Personally I like flat coolers more, although some claim the convex shape increases cooling performance 🙄

CoolCab posted:

i think LTT used it in a build and while it's been a minute (the series was called something like "windows mac pro killer") and i don't remember them being overwhelmingly impressed by the case. they mostly get the aesthetic right but i remember a bunch of nitpicks about actually using it.

Crunchy Black posted:

I continue to lol at goons goonin' over something so spergy and stupid as an extra small, controllable fan.

Do you all have your computers situated 4 inches from your head and never wear headphones?

SourKraut posted:

Are those dual ran or single rank?

CoolCab posted:

i still don't understand this despite watching the LTT video on it. it's a quality separate to the speed, timings and advertised capacity, loving somehow?

Palladium posted:

I have being seeing 5600X and 5900X going below MSRP, guess this has to do with the stupid GPU prices somehow

ARRGHPLEASENONONONO posted:

I just got a 5900x running on an x570 and some DDR4 rated at 3600 but the motherboard was defaulting to a lower clock speed (2666 iirc). Is this normal? I went into the BIOS and forced it up to 3600 and everything seems stable, but shouldn't the MB be detecting the speed automatically?

NoDamage posted:

I mean, it's within a couple degrees of the D15 at nearly half the price. If you want to do some heavy overclocking, then sure, pony up for the D15 or get an AIO. But I'm guessing most people don't want to spend $100 on a cooler and at stock speeds it's more than adequate, and pretty good value.

Cabbages and Kings posted:

Any suggestions for quiet coolers with addressable rgb? I would hate to ruin my case aesthetics

If not I will probably get the dr4 or noctua.

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

I'm awry on buying six cores, since the new generation of games are using 8c/16t CPUs as baseline.
I'm sure the 5600 is more than fast enough for a couple years yet but you never know.

Subjunctive posted:

I thought “thread” was the unit of “doing things at once” — what do you mean here by a thread doing multiple things at once? Can they split and schedule the execution units more finely than at thread granularity? I feel like I’m missing something big!

Arzachel posted:

Said 2500k got absoleted because of a 8 core netbook CPU

It's hard to tell how things will shake out. Realistically, one of the cores on consoles is going to be pinned for the OS and we have no idea whether anyone will actually use all 14 threads available and 6/12 vs 7/14 is a much smaller difference than 4/4 vs 8/8 but the cores themselves are much closer in power etc. If you are going to be sticking with the system for a long time, getting a 5800x is probably not a bad choice despite the awkward pricing.

SourKraut posted:

How much performance loss could be expected in gaming if I have a 5900X and went with CL 16 3200 MHz DDR4 over CL18 3600 Mhz? Both would be 2x DIMMs.

K8.0 posted:

Don't ever enable PBO. If you are a serious OCer you do it manually. If you aren't, you don't OC Zen3. If you want to do something, optimize your memory frequency & timings. It'll have a much larger impact than anything you can do with the CPU clock.