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Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Dehtraen posted:

- not knowing what the creatures on the battlefield do. Read all the keywords and know what they mean / do on your opponents cards and yours. This sounds completely dumb but every prerelease people end not blocking something because they assume it has flying due to the art or miss things like first strike and get blown out in blocks

Breaching Hippocamp limited all star

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Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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TheChirurgeon posted:

Yeah you don't really see it now. They did two arts for Ertai in Invasion, and they did an alternate art for the foil Kaya in Conspiracy 2 but as far as I know, that's it.

e: agree that the reasons for not doing it on commons are solid, though.

BROTHERS YAMAZAKI

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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ChewyLSB posted:

This is only tangentially related and I've talked about it in the IRC before but I don't fully understand why Valve got into legal trouble over CS:GO skins but Magic has existed since 1993 and markets lottery tickets with monetary value to kids and the packaging itself literally says 13+.

I don't see what the difference between an AWP skin thats worth $x and a Tarmogoyf thats worth $x.

The biggest difference would likely be that the most accessible secondary market is also valves and they skim dollars off the top of that.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Deified Data posted:

Strictly casual games with friends/I think collecting WH40K minis is a worthwhile use of my money

Edit: real-life

Ask to borrow a deck and play one night so you can get a feel for what everyone's into, there's a vast difference between ppl who just open packs here and there, ppl who do that and occasionally go online to a local shop or a specific card they're missing, and people who play top tier in whatever format.

If your friends are playing top tier modern (or Legacy lmao) decks then you'll just want to borrow decks for a bit I'm sure, but if they're playing with budget decks you can probably just grab a duel deck or a budget deck from mtggoldfish for p cheap

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Angry Grimace posted:

That's because that's against the rules. Exert requires you to exert AS you attack; the act of pressing OK is declaring attackers. It's a super, super minor rules thing, but you can't declare attackers, realize you actually made a bad attack and then decide to exert.

Then it should prompt when you toggle the attack? Or when you hit ok on your attacking choice ask you for each creature? These are both pretty obvious and simple solutions that are a lot more intuitive

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Sickening posted:

And yet they still end up giving WOTC dollars through all the ways mentioned. I would also wager they have and will play the game longer than players in other formats on average.


All customers aren't created equal. Having a wide variety of customers is right in WOTC wheelhouse though. Why do you think we have so many formats and levels of competition?

Big agree, even if they aren't spending the same amount of money on things that directly pay to wizards, they are free word of mouth advertisement, occasionally subsidize standard sets when a playable gets printed, and help trickle money into stores by built singles and event slots.

It's worth having them around and paying low effort lip service at the very least

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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suicidesteve posted:

I've literally only played Wasteland decks and I think there's maybe one game every 2 weeks where Wasteland actually wins the game. And they're always against Delver. Your 6 mana-producing, 9 fetch, 0 basic deck folding to a Wasteland is an issue with your deck, not with the card. It's another one of those things that people like to complain about because it's "not fun." Which means Wasteland will probably be banned within a year.

As someone who watches a fair amount of DnT but doesn't play, I'd argue that wastelands turn some combo matchups from non-games into games, and I feel like this happens more often than the other way around just due to how many decks in the format are built knowing they might eat a few wastes and ports

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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suicidesteve posted:

Sure, sometimes your Wastelands let you play an Actual Game of Magic against something like ANT. But that's not the same as what the complaining is about, which is non-games. Even then, you're usually not Wasting them until turn 3 unless you have a Vial and you don't have a Thalia, which means you're playing against a slower draw anyway.

I'm positing that wasteland creates more games than it ends, just shut up and be agreed with Steve!

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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I don't actually play it but doesn't mtgo end up costing less just because you can reuse packs and points?

I guess it's still not much better

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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mandatory lesbian posted:

the rules for what is and is not collusion is so loving dumb lol

tfw you try to collude and accidentally progress to the begin combat step

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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I went 0-3 with thoughtseize Elspeth purphoros in theros prerelease bc I was very bad and also more concerned w dickwaving my rares than winning >:)

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Cactrot posted:

I'd never played the deck in any format, but attacking with large dumb creatures seemed like fun, and it was cheap and simple. I made a grave error on how enjoyable it would actually be to play though.

I feel like bogles is the kind of deck that's fun to play one, maybe two rounds with. Like you could borrow it or spend a little to finish it and play an fnm until you get bored.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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TheKingofSprings posted:

A basic literacy test should be mandatory before every round of magic played IMO

*holds up picture of breaching hippocamp*

Does. This. Have. Flying.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Count Bleck posted:

"Real Baby Jace"
"Baby Jace"
"Big Daddy Jace"
"Anime Jace"
"The Bad One"

I actually tilted the gently caress out at an fnm when I cast slaughter games naming Anime Jace against a friend and he was like "wait which one"

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Hellsau posted:

So on MTGO if you have a Vampiric Tutor in hand and a Skirge Familiar in play, you can click the Tutor to try to cast it, then discard it to the Familiar to make the black mana you needed. The Tutor won't get cast, you won't get a mana, and you get this error.


Good times. Also you get shunted into the combat step apparently? Because I didn't hit F2. At least you don't lose the 2 life for the Tutor.

Is THAT how you go to combat????

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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suicidesteve posted:

Did nobody read the article?

No

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Apparently hs streamer Amaz got invite to PT as a promotion and grinders are upset that it invalidates the grind

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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I feel like another invitational thing would have been a better outlet due to how seriously people take grinding but I also very much don't care. These tournaments have always existed as advertisement first anyway :shrug:

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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ShaneB posted:

Pro = promotional and whatever they want to do with their own promotional tour is basically fair game. People seem to continually think that pro = professional and anything that undermines the grind that people put into getting to a PT is offensive.

https://twitter.com/maro254/status/833009346921451520

Mark with the clairvoyant answer

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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If anything my concern is how they'll actually monetize this. They gonna have a camera on Amaz all day? Or did they just invite a guy to give him one feature match before the immediate descent into the negative winrate brackets?

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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ShaneB posted:

I'll take being corrected.

It's still essentially both.

And god it's kind of sad how many pro panties get in a bunch when someone didn't earn their stripes to get to the PT. Like someone else said, it's one person out of hundreds.

Like I get it, there's probably a better outlet for this, but he'll almost definitely just scrub out and be there for the publicity so whatever.

I do think that he should have just been invited to a super league or invitational draft or something similar, but I'm not worried about the sanctity of The Grind being diminished.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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ShaneB posted:

It's sadly (for MTG) way more than 4. He will have more viewers for his daily stream than the PT finals will get.

Here's a page that estimates this guy gains 10k followers and gets 2 million views per month

https://socialblade.com/twitch/user/amazhs

I didn't realize he also played magic or was any good at it as Sickening had mentioned, but this is one of the most popular twitch streamers and is a massive pull for them.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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It was a bad post with rebound, much like Narset,

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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odiv posted:

You can't lose anywhere near as much money with mtg.

I'd argue that the buy-in to a constructed tournament could fund you for a while at the cheap online tables, especially if you include desk cost

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Narset Transcendent is good in her home, but her home is a deck that is, like, 50% noncreature, nonland cards, which are fantastically rare.

It's pretty much Commander lists and Vintage Monastery Mentor-based contraptions.

I was doing a joke about mcmagic, tbh I thought she would play a little better but just no room in a lot of lists

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Light soap warm water and the green side of a sponge

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Tortilla Maker posted:

Don't try to fit in with the new kids playing Magic and just play on the table directly.

Bring a roll of paper and tear off a new piece every round to tilt your oppo

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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By setting the precedent that they don't want confirmed data out there and trying to spin their own narratives before doubling back after the fact, even if they're not pulling style great heist it still leaves them looking untrustworthy and makes it so the only "evidence" is anecdotal.

If anything the situation allows outside narratives to get pushed easier because no one can point to data and say "sure this deck is leading by a few % but isn't unbeatable or ubiquitous" it's just all Reddit posts about decks being unbeatable that can only be verified by wizards.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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The coastal elite...

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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AceClown posted:

Back in theros khans I had a RDW variant that could win on T4 but it was very christmas land and was the most glass canon deck I've played.

That I think is the problem and one that WotC completely misses, there is nothing at all wrong with a deck that can produce a T4 win, the problem comes when that combo is still viable at T14 and everything just durdles out. I don't know if the problem is that there is no explosive agrro deck around to hold combos in check or that the toolkit for some of these decks is just too good.

Anyone remember the dies to doom blade meme? Anyone? Hello?

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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ThePeavstenator posted:

lol @ "You say aetherworks is just spinning a wheel but isn't drawing cards off the top of your deck also random???" :thunk:

If you think about it drawing path is basically the same as t4 finisher in a format where they forgot to print doom blade

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Marketing New Brain posted:

Actually win, or just have game winning inevitability? Because Marvel never wins on actual turn 4, and neither do almost any aggro standard decks I can remember, although Boros Bushwacker might be the closest to a consistent win on that turn without disruption. Splinter Twin/Cat Combo are the only two I can remember that just win the game on turn 4, at least if we are talking the modern era of post Mirrodin bannings.

It does feel like the design on marvel is pushed in a few too many directions, much like Smuggler's Copter. It being legendary is a bonus, comes into play untapped, things dying produce more energy and it is just a bit too cheap to activate. I forget all the details but it seems weird they missed how good it was, since the temur energy shell wasn't exactly a stretch to come up with, it doesn't even use any Aether Revolt cards. Regardless of the change in rotation it was always going to be legal with Emrakul and Ulamog.

I might be remembering wrong but I feel like both sligh and the one goofy 4 color heroic list had dreamland t3s

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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I like the cast triggers because ideally the creatures should be hard to cast and don't just die to doom blade as a reward, but instead they are easy to cast, don't die to doom blade, and also whens doom blade

Siivola posted:

Thanks for the replies y'all.

I don't know if you can resolve noncreature spells without casting them. And even if there's a way, it probably wouldn't fit on the card. I think the card may have gotten a last-minute push like Skullclamp, where too many numbers got better at once.

Sfm definitely just puts equipment into play

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Count Bleck posted:

Like honestly WotC should just print some crazy poo poo and also answers for the crazy poo poo.

I don't think Aetherworks Marvel would be so stupidly out of control if Stony Silence was in the format.

Granted that would probably also kill Vehicles; a key mechanic of Kaladesh. But then that didn't stop them from banning Emrakul, premier key card of Eldritch Moon.

If stony silence made vehicles worse there would be room in the format for a pretty strong vehicle, maybe stronger than the ones that are currently legal... Makes u think...

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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The time when gleemox, a card notable for saying "this card is banned" on it, was legal in multiple formats

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Every time that a card has worked differently/ not worked when reprinted

That time everyone was supposed to get a Gideon avatar and got the walker instead

The time death and taxes got a pretty sweet card in conspiracy and it didnt get added to mood for over a year

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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I'd say they should make a dotalike but dota already got a character named Leshrac who casts Diabolic Edict....

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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Star Man posted:

When people clamor for quotes from literature on cards, I always wonder if those same people actually read that stuff in their spare time.

I was going to quote the one that everyone quotes to point out bad flavor text and got as far as "you're not my" before realizing that I don't know the three proper nouns that follow

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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80s James Hetfield posted:

In a format where a lot of top decks are playing red and there are 1/2 mana removal spells I just don't see how it's overpowered

It would be getting shocked or magma spray'd constantly turn one.

It's hard to usefully balance around decks sometimes playing ahead of curve by one or two mana for the whole game.

I'm not saying they're right not to try, but I know they have spent a few years phasing out some regular cards to see what happens, and I can easily see a game designer deciding that having undercosted creatures is less swingy and easier to design around than elves are.

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Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

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80s James Hetfield posted:

Give us a 1/1 with Afflict 10

Hidetsugu returns...

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