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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I'm hearing that May won't do any debates either, lmao.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Corbyn was too beautiful for a land as foul as the UK.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Stabbatical posted:

Looks like May is following the Trump Approach to PR and press

https://mobile.twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/855404855745277952

It's the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign all rolled into one.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/basedbolshevik/status/855201388888043520

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Americans: I love being the most retarded electorate in the world.

English: I say old sport, hold my beer.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The Englishman is the most reactionary creature alive, and no appeals to reason or morality will persuade him away from his enthusiastic embrace of barbarism. Exterminate the brutes.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

It's funny how easily Blairites are willing to forget that they lost to the guy who hosed a pig.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tingfinder posted:

Is it just because he's a socialist?

Yes.

If Jezza and friends were more charismatic and relatable, then that would only amplify the terror of him - and the media environment would become even more nasty. The Guardian is owned by a private trust company. The entire British media takes their marching orders from people who are violently opposed to any genuine socialist advocacy.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

fake news didnt make corbyn put a 3 line whip on brexit, he's insanely incompetent and 'biased lamestream media' is just as much of an excuse here as it is when everyone else uses it

I don't think you really get what you're quoting there.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

That's really bringing up an interesting question. Is golf the most expensive sport in terms of labor and resources? Because all of the water, land, and groundskeeping that's necessary just to maintain the ability to play has to be astronomical even compared to a sport like baseball, where you can just play on astroturf.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

hockey might be more

The Bell Centre in Montreal is the largest hockey arena in the world, and it only takes up a field size of 72,000 square meters. The average golf course takes up 75,000 square meters, but whereas a hockey arena is mostlly inert concrete, steel, and asphalt, a golf course has tens of thousands of square meters of turf that have to be maintained with a highly regulated amount of water constantly.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Golf is also the most expensive sport to play, hence the elite reputation.

Tennis is also up there in terms of "elite" sports. But tennis courts are cheap. However (!) it's very expensive to train an athlete up to a professional level. A lot of pros are children of tennis coaches, had rich parents and/or had their tournament trips paid for with state subsidies in some countries.

I'd say that's due primarily to the social costs creating unnecessary barriers to entry. What's of concern regarding golf are the real physical and labor costs associated with it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hakimashou posted:

Jeremy Corbyn or any other pro-russian anti-western mad dog becoming the leader of a country as important as Britain would be a terrible calamity.

This was a what liberals actually believe.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

It's not like it'd be any different.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Hodgepodge posted:

they're desperately hoping that the right is so awful that it will make "economically conservative but socially liberal" look appealing

it's the same mantra of "we're smart and good and right and not fascists so you have to love us"

I'M THE BABY GOTTA LOVE ME!

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Anybody associated with or who invokes a "common sense" is invariably a complete shithead.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Comrade Cheggorsky posted:

are you calling Thomas Paine a shithead?

Paine outgrew "common sense" by writing The Rights of Man so I guess redemption is always possible.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

If only the Blairites were in charge. Then Labour could win with racism-lite.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

jBrereton posted:

*remembering decade of steady growth of wages and opportunities in general* yeah what shite days those were... things are better now for sure

Remember the Iraq War?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/jxckhy/status/859922949331181569

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yer a Jedi, Harry

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Being a beardy sandal-wearing leftist with no charisma isn't exactly conducive to popular support.

Being a suit wearing half-Tory wasn't either.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

logikv9 posted:

Corbyn is bad because he is a big fat loser in the metric that matters: elections

So far Corbyn has won all of his elections.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Baloogan posted:

lol if you even think he can have natural erections

There's a reason he makes his own jam.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hakimashou posted:

You know who won a whole mess of elections and beat the tories every single time?

Tony Blair

I admire your dedication to having the worst takes on everything.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Perhaps it's nothing but Blairs, Trudeaux, and Obamas from here on out and we should just get used to it.

That's a pretty dumb assumption, considering 2/3 have already lead their parties into ruin.

The bottom line here is that England, like the rest of Europe, is in the throes of a reactionary wave - and it's going to take a ton of loving up by a Tory government before enough of them stop believing in "common sense" and vote for anything else.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Theresa May looks like a member of the rogues gallery in a Jim Henson production, and not even Adonis could stop her lmao

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Austerity is just the sensible thing to do. Better to vote Tory than for anybody who might be right about Mao.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

and i must meme posted:

i dunno about mao though he seemed pretty dumb

A unified China turned out pretty good in the long run.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Jose posted:

for who?

For Hu.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


Taiwan is part of China, friend.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hakimashou posted:

T May on the other hand has a real visage. She looks like she should be prime minister. She always looks very alert and earnest and capable and formidable.

You think the prime minister should look like a Skeksis?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

If they had done what he said it might've turned out alright. Syriza failed because they wouldn't fulfill their own mandate.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

merkel called their bluff. switch back to the drachma and half the country is eating grass clippings within the week

Sounds better than mass suicide.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

why would anyone ever agree to that? What's your definition of sanity?

Thanks for pointing out why the neoliberal hegemony is insane.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The :neoliberals: smiley should be the All-Seeing Eye of the Illuminati superimposed on the center of the EU flag, and it's crying.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

logikv9 posted:

murder suicide

just execution

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Goddamn that Jeremy Corbyn desperately clinging to a position he was elected to twice in a row.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Badger of Basra posted:

if they went against "the will of the people" it would make them look bad

i assume this means he will be whipping in favor of all tory proposals in the next parliament when labour loses

Democracies are the governments that ignore votes, right?

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Concerned Citizen posted:

48% of voters wanted to stay, perhaps a party that represents those 48% might be more popular than one that says "well we're in favor of self-destructing in a more gentle way"

35% of Labour voters also voted to Leave, so should the Labour party tell its own constituents that they won't be represented? Referendums aren't enforced proportionally. A party that acts against the interests of a democratic mandate isn't democratic. It also doesn't follow logically at all that a party which overturns the results of a referendum to represent a minority will somehow become more popular.

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