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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Badger of Basra posted:

so do you agree with the second part or

No, because policy proposals and referendums are completely different things and it's stupid to pretend they're the same.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The Guardian shouts three hurrahs for new Labour leader Joany Glaire. A new face with new ideas.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Except instead of Ohio it's the whole country.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/Tweetgood_Mac/status/861549594936832000

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

sorry brother but a brexit especially with the current level of negotiation (read none) is going to absolutely hit the average briton in the wallet and the entire economy as well

You seem to have trouble understanding that both campaigns were bad even if one of them is objectively worse.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 23:26 on May 9, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hakimashou posted:

Blair is better than any tory and its disgracefully stupid that the labour party has turned on him.

UKMT is right about the dogs.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

lmfao

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

quote:

the 17-year-old he sexted was revealed as a dominatrix who sold toenail clippings online for £10 a time

She'd make a great Tory.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

It's because English people love death.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/lukewsavage/status/863114009851158528

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


He's not wrong.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Plucky Brit posted:

1st Gulf War? Sierra Leone? Kosovo? Falklands?

Bad, Awful, Terrible, Worse Than Hitler

https://twitter.com/trillburne/status/863328583628070912

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 11:31 on May 13, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The 4 sheepherders and the lighthouse keeper are near unanimous.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

great so not even the only source of this statement thinks it's a likely explanation lmao

So you think Thatcher broke the back of the British working class for fun?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

so you think thatcher breaking up the unions that led to a three day week, constant power blackouts because mining didn't produce enough leccy to supply the grid, and that also completely refused to negotiate with a friendly labour government, you think that it wasn't those things that led to thatcher being elected and the unions being broken, it was an evil capitalist conspiracy to destroy them for profit instead lol?

Labour action that isn't economically disruptive is toothless. The whole point of controlling labor is to guarantee the profits of capitalism.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

it was the unions being economically disruptive for an entire decade for not very good reasons that made thatcher and her policies popular enough for her to get elected in the first place

Labor being entitled to all it creates is the best reason.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Value isn't real

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


This is sure to help Corbin with the bloodthirsty British public.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

only if it was for sexual reasons

Crushing fetish is a thing.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

What kind of monster didn't want to support Rhodesia?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hakimashou posted:

Corbyn has hired a known communist to head his election campaign.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/863861261720748033

Good.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

love 2 be in an alliance that drags you into all of America's dumbass military adventures

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

logikv9 posted:

poor NATO it is a globalist tool against communism

an alliance which no longer has a raison d'être :sad:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Sinn Fein is gonna win the next election.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

a whole three members, drat. you really opened my eyes there dog

All NATO members are bourgeois dictatorships

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

When you really think about it, isn't freedom just slavery?

Fallen Hamprince posted:

*extremely dialectical voice* what if thing is actually the opposite of thing, and vice-versa. owned libs

In the West you are free*




















*to vote for bourgeois parties

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Baloogan posted:

its only competition is nazi germany and other communist regimes like north korea

Ancient Sparta, The Assyrian Empire, The Mongolian Empire, Raj India, Belgian Congo, literally every country that practiced serfdom or chattel slavery (the vast majority), every Chinese government until post-GLF, Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy, Fascist Spain, every Latin American government that ever carried out a dirty war, just about every colonial governorate

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

Try Leninism: It might not be as bad as living in *checks notes* the Belgian Congo

Leninist Soviet Union was better than all other countries in its day, and all the countries that you could argue are "better" just so happen to be all-white countries that had sucked up all the surplus value of the Global South for a whole century.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

if only the ussr had gotten on that surplus value game early it wouldnt have to stuff hundreds of thousands of people in gulags for no reason

There's always reasons, like when the British moved hundreds of thousands of Kenyans into concentration camps

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

So we're all agreed that empires are the best as long as you're the white man.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

we would've become independent eventually and then we would have been like canada!!! :woop:

The Northerners still have the dang queen on their money, is that what you want!?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hakimashou posted:

Crazy DnDers pointed out that it it "allows slavery" as punishment for a crime.

IE, allows for imprisonment.

13th Amendment posted:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Incarceration isn't slavery ipso facto. It's not slavery or involuntary servitude until the state compels you by force to labor on its behalf.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Corbin says the Tori's aren't prepared to deal with cyber attacks

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

A Labour government shall clamp down with clothespins upon the nipples of the press

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/864118242654203904

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Jose posted:

you need horses and to break onto peoples property illegally to chase the fox

Don't you also need hounds to tear the fox apart, or do Tories enjoy the thrill of getting their hands bloody?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Capitalism simply isn't equipped to handle an influx of immigrants, except in cases where land is cheap and abundant like the United States.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

jBrereton posted:

If you think the problem is that land isn't easily available then you need to take your mind out of the Kolkhoz.

America was so big that entire immigrant communities could settle miles away from the Anglo snobs and never have to interact with each other. Meanwhile today, immigrants compete with the native poor for subsidized housing, because the political climate always favors the interests of land developers over society.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

List of government types with positive track records in dealing with mass immigration:

America, United States of :smug:

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

jBrereton posted:

Joke or incredibly ignorant opinion?

Bill the Butcher was a psyop

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