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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Most everyone with an audience migrated to patreon. TGWTG sounds like it was horribly run and treated its talent very badly. Only Brad Jones refrains from openly badmouthing them, and nobody compliments them. Allison Pregler and Phelan are still around doing really strong stuff compared to the CA days. It's really interesting how everyone who left or was fired from CA has grown and developed a unique style, while all the CA in-house stuff is just as superficial and stale as it was at the start.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Hbomb is streaming to youtube right now playing some Friday the 13th video game that isn't the nintendo one.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

WrenP-Complete posted:

Does this person prefer he/him pronouns? I was wondering.

He made a video about it that stated a preference for as much confusion on the subject as possible.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Groovelord Neato posted:

i think a lot of people (probably most everyone actually) are under the impression that because we recognize the holocaust as such an evil act, perhaps the most evil act ever committed, that it was always seen as such. the holocaust didn't enter into the public consciousness of america (or even germany) until the airing of the miniseries Holocaust in 1978. that's 33 years after the war ended and 16 years after eichmann was captured and executed by Israel.

This seems implausible. Lots of scholarship predates the 80s, and political scientists and philosophers have been fixated on the hows and whys since the 50s. Plus in the realm of the arts alone you have Judgment at Nuremberg and The Pawnbroker in the 60s. Plus like, I don't know, gross Bruno Matei porno and Salon Kitty or whatever.

How are you defining public consciousness?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Dapper_Swindler posted:

lindsay is ok, contrapoints is better in my opinion.


They team up sometimes. There is a youtube intellectual superteam coalescing out of the exploded remnants of blip. Hbomb's in the mix too, and gamergate expert Dan Olson. They just need like Rantasmo and Shaun and a base on the moon.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

He seems like he's still pretty fixated on the standard mra reddit nerd talking points, which is probably where he was before becoming a catholic convert. When he bashes the "sexual revolution," it's for making it harder for him to find a wife, and he believes it's bad for women to have the freedom to have sex outside of marriage because the national birthrates of the US and other unnamed countries in western Europe are supposedly going below replacement level. That sounds like a racist dog whistle to me since the global population has been going up, up, up for the last hundred years or so. Also he gets taken totally by surprise when Contrapoints mentions that gay people like living in a world without compulsory heterosexuality, like he had never thought about the position of gay people before Contra mentioned it, and he goes right back to ignoring gay people immediately because he's a fat loving nerd loser who feels entitled to the love of a woman he considers young and beautiful. The catholic thing just seems like a peculiar flavor of reaction he's chosen because he's read too much about fascism to go full pepe.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I bet Han Solo was not a very good dad, though. He's at best a cool uncle when you're too young to realize why he has no responsibilities or family of his own, which is because he's a deadbeat who can't handle those things and is instead a 40-year-old man who smokes a ton of weed and spends most of his money on his camero and motorcycle.

That new Star Wars movie was kind of cool for injecting some reality into the fantasy adventure by having him be an old loner ducking responsibility and afraid of his ex, because of course she would have dumped him or he would have run off on her before much time had passed. Unless it was like a We Need to Talk About Kevin situation where they split up because their kid was a literal school shooter who exterminated all the new jedis and went off to be space hitler.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

She has made several videos supportive of trans people and is not at all a radical feminist of any kind. She's like a textbook example of a liberal or bourgeois feminist (not meant as an insult) who invites kids into basic conversations about bodily autonomy and reproductive health.

Even with her bullshit equivocation between mras and mean feminists or whatever, I never got the sense that she was siding with the pepes but calling for civility and a naive but sincere understanding of freedom of speech.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Avenging_Mikon posted:

Unless something new comes to light, I doubt she's a TERF, but dating Chris tells me she's not been genuine in her positions, because everything I've seen about him paints him as a colossal piece of poo poo. Not quite Roosh V, but close.

Lots of women date pieces of poo poo because they are attracted to them and find them charming, and they overlook the things about their partners they don't like or see them very charitably because they are in love. It seems like very human behavior to me and not proof that they are bad. Additionally, pieces of poo poo are actually pretty good at controlling and manipulating relationships, and may have may positive aspects to themselves as well that are hidden by public personae.

I don't know anything about this guy and googling hasn't revealed anything on the mra level. Can I ask what are the lovely things about him?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Crain posted:

This reads a little close to reeeeeeeeeing about Chads.

Lots of men date pieces of poo poo too. I mean that we are very predisposed to think charitably of the ones we love and that it doesn't make us bad people for doing it. Nor does it mean that our value system was never genuine or that we have betrayed our values. It's just a dynamic in human relationships. We don't know very much about her personal life and we don't know what she'll believe or do tomorrow, so it's a request not to move to unequivocal judgment. She never validated the mra position in either of those videos.

EDIT: I also mean that this guy could have qualities that recommend him as well. Like he could have some bad beliefs but behave decently in many respects also. It's also possible he could change and grow or that he is in the process of changing and growing. Human beings are complex.

I AM GRANDO fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 5, 2017

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

Yeah I mean, if Tomi Lahren stated dating John Oliver it wouldn't necessarily mean either of them had given up on their principles but it wouldn't be weird for people to be concerned about it.

Is this guy on the level of Tomi Lahren? If the whole story with him is that he defensively protects white boys because he sees them as unfairly persecuted, he is unfortunately very typical for an American white boy but nowhere near Roosh territory. Again, I'm just going on the above: if he advocates rape or has raped people or something then this is wrong. But if he's just doing the truth-is-in-the-middle dance then he's probably trainable. God knows I believed a bunch of trash when I was 20, which is about how old he appears to be. And a nice white liberal feminist with reservations about "extremes" is a good teacher for a guy like that. It's just as likely that he's learning something from her, like that women are people. Sargon won't ever learn that lesson.

Laci Green is still pretty young right, like 22 or something? She was 18 when she started. She has plenty of time in life to keep learning, especially if she goes to grad school for therapy as she apparently wants to do.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Twitter is even more horrible than I thought. It's just a comment section off on its own with no content above. An infinite regress of poo poo. Literally the only things you can use it for are devastating burns and breaking news. It's terrible and bad fir discourse. Laci Green feels attacked because attacks are the only discourse allowed by the format.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Things will get very interesting once they break up.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

it shaun posted:

Yeah that shaun guy is pretty neat huh. Love that guy

Isn't this so much nicer than twitter? And there are no reactos here on web 1.0.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

<superteam intensifies>

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


I may have said this before, but I like how direct and earnest Anita Sarkeesian is with her videos. It took me a long time to realize that the title of this series is a pun on "freak show" because she's so straight-laced and direct. I'm so used to weary irony and cynical contempt that it's very refreshing to see someone who's simply appalled at our horrible world, as my simmering cynicism prevents me from really acknowledging that truth. It's probably a much healthier response and I wish it were more natural for me. I love Contrapoints, but his "dark mother, cold mother" riffs on her do a disservice to what she's about, although I like him have probably lost the capacity to be shocked without prompting.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

I want an fplus episode on volcel.

There's a book about them and the rest of the alt-right coming out tomorrow:

https://www.amazon.com/Kill-All-Normies-Culture-Alt-Right/dp/1785355430

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

rkajdi posted:

Skip to the end. Of course he's fine with the nationalist garbage about restricting immigration, and thinks that Labour is somehow economically illiterate. Also, it's hillarious that he acknowledges the Tory move to utterly skullfuck the internet in the UK, and somehow sees this as something that won't have huge financial impacts. Hint, all the stuff involving encryption also is an e-commerce issue, and destroying the main storefront of the 21st century surely will be great for your economy. Also,

Of course, he also makes an attempt to say "STFU on this if you don't have an econ degree" while also being the human fecal bin who mocks anyone involved in social science academics. I can't find anything on what the man does or what his degree is in. My guess is he's just another NEET loser who can't cope with the fact that he's economically disposable.

He dropped out of high school. No university degree (according to reddit stalkers).

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

A lot are probably actual high school students, listening to someone speaking right at their level.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

How the hell do you do socialism for some?

That doesn't even parse.

White people vote for socialism overwhelmingly when it's for whites only. He is literally the real-world version of the guy who votes for Bernie because he wants free stuff.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The guy seems like he's about 20 and spends most of his money on electronics and anime toys.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

rkajdi posted:

The man you're talking about in this case (Sargon) has a 10th grade education. Do you think he even has a chance to get any of the nuance down, or do you think he's just a standard disingenuous NEET who's bitter that people with some actual human value are getting ahead of him in society?

People invested in the idea of racial superiority often offer very little to society, as their claim to human value is an accident of birth. I can't understand how a human woman dated and decided to marry him, especially since she must have been supporting him financially prior to his patreon days (which are sure to meet diminishing returns at some point).

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Groovelord Neato posted:

anyone who's gone any length of time without sex can tell you it isn't good for your mental health. there was even a study released recently that showed it to be a basal need like food or sleep.

the problem is these guys don't hit the gym or stop being shitbirds. the problem is always women not themselves.

They should organize themselves into clubs that share masturbation techniques, which would solve their need for human contact and their basal need for sexual gratification. The youtube gang are indeed very close to mutual masturbation already imo.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I've had plenty of sex that made me feel more alone and that didn't at all validate my existence as a feeling, thinking consciousness. And I feel like I must be better at it than a pepe wearing historical armor. Surely it would at least be a step up for most of them to jack off together or jack each other off or whatever.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

The No Fap movement is great because it inherently exposes the stupidity and sadness of the the people that preach and practice it. "God I'm pathetic and weak and can accomplish nothing. All I do is crank it. I need to change something in my life to get better." and they decide it was the masturbation that was the core problem with their ennui/loneliness.

Every addiction is fundamentally an issue of avoiding one's real problems. Even heroin addicts have to confront the problems in their lives that led them to heroin addiction as a means of avoidance and escape, and that's as important--maybe more important--than breaking physiological dependency, which clears up in about a month and just gives you headaches and bad diarrhea.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

bessantj posted:

It's amazing isn't it. Do you remember when Rebecca Watson made a short comment about how she didn't like men trying to pick her up in elevators and it turned into her getting rape and death threats and Dawkins saying she was the reason female genital mutilation still happens? What a glorious time of pure rationality we live in.

That's still going on over five years later. I don't even think there's a skeptic movement at all any more, and she still gets daily death threats. Thunderfoot moved on to fixating on Anita Sarkeesian years ago, and hundreds of people post death threats on Rebecca Watson's youtube videos about information literacy. It's insane.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Zikan posted:

Kill All Normies by Angela Nagle is a pretty good history/overview of the alt-right's various sections from America's Leading Mindset Expert, gamergate, and the pepes. Doesn't go as far back as all of the reddit controversies of FPH tho.

Granted it's probably the only academic overview of this whole thing, everything else is internet oral history.

Her dissertation is about mras on Reddit, supposedly. And she was working on it right as gamergate was starting, so if she goes the route of turning that into a book then you'd have a deeper dive into the early/earlier days.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Was that some holocaust denial at the end there?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Gotta love how history thought of World War II as a pointless waste of human life where both sides were the same, morally speaking, right up until the 1980s.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah really. and BJ is like a genuinely great and deep/tragic character and i am not being ironic, dude ranks up with geralt and other genuinely well written characters. I mean he is literally Samson, he is big super strong motivated american polish jew who is kept alive by his hatred of the nazis. but he has a genuinly tender side and the game doesnt fall into a bunch of tropes, the ex-nazi resistance member is genuinly a tragic and good person and you feel bad for him. and loving jimmy hendrix is there. and they honestly potray that nazis as well realistically evil and kinda make you sorta question your actions at times. its a weird mix of pulpy b movie stuff with violence and gore and weird nazi poo poo but it never goes to far in a dumb way but it shows genuine horrors of Nazism. its loving awesome and weird how they balance the stuff. i mean engel is basically GILF Elsa she wolf of the SS but she is an actual character.

I hope at some point he can team up with his grandson, Commander Keen.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Groovelord Neato posted:

these are all from different books.

I imagine all of these in Borat's voice, but also that they're selections from a Camus novel that I've never read.

What a monster.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Contra's the most rigorous and thoughtful social critic on youtube, though after that Mel Brooks video I'd say Lindsay Ellis is very close.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Also what's with giving Aurouni's plastic skull its own slot? And why is Aurouni not at maximum cringe? His fake skull is downright dignified compared to him.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Dapper_Swindler posted:

there is a good chapo episode out right now about the alt right and it points out how terrible liberals are at fighting/debating/interviewing the alt right. part of the reason is that kinda poo poo. jontron is easy because he is an idiot who parrots poo poo whispered in his ear.

Do you remember the title or episode number?

I got Angela Nagel's book based on the episode with her, and it's very good.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Groovelord Neato posted:

the highlight was carl laughing when she was talking about a woman being orally raped in her sleep by a friend.

Fat man confronted with evidence of something happening: "that doesn't happen! Checkmate, feminist."

Didn't he pantomime playing a violin at that part?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I want to see Sargon do a struggle session. Youtube under socialism becomes a people's court where enemies of the revolution face justice.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Contra on point as always. The video essay is turning into a viable form for public discourse in the 21st century. I really look forward to a future where the predominant mode of political expression inevitably involves weird cut-away gags and elaborate running jokes.

I really feel the worry at the end of this one about having no confidence that truth or justice will win out or that ideas circulate relative to their rigor or strength.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Mr Interweb posted:

Stephen Crowder put up a "rebuttal" to John Oliver's recent episode on coal.

Is he the one who had never kissed a woman prior to his wedding? Surely worth our time to discuss.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Is this real? I feel like this can't be real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlN9plBx6Ho

The kid just walks into every insult and meekly submits to verbal bullying over a telephone. More of an ashamed boy than a proud one.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Vidcon will be their first adventure where they team up to make a nazi teen cry. Then superteam and a base on the moon! The next picture should be all of them doing that superhero hand-over-hand thing.

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