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Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Jesus Christ what an insufferable prick. Then again, I like watching him try and debate because he often shoots himself in the foot by conceding the point early, but still keeps yammering on, or is just loving terrible at it and doesn't actually know what he's talking about beyond canned talking points you can pull off several right wing sites.

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Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Pierson posted:

I absolutely cannot wait for the screaming heart attacks that are going to come from the elections tonight. I am giddy. Always be posting.

Don't let me down, Sarg.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Like with Clinton, it was an act of pure hubris, arrogance and stupidity. Unlike Clinton, they didn't bother trying to hide it at all.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Pencils R Cool posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JymtGcDAg-M

In which a man who claims to be left-wing has a complete meltdown because a Socialist did well in an election.

https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?lang=en

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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rkajdi posted:

Beyond the other stuff mentioned, the idea that mental processes are somehow not physical things is more garbage dualistic thinking. Get rid of it, because these mental processes are nothing but some internal feeling from the physical processes of the brain occurring.

Also, these men are not addicted to masturbating, any more than they are addicted to gaming. The actual answer is that they have nothing and are nothing, so use these things to fill their time. The more I see of them, the more a comparison to the hikikomori and grassfed males of Japan is appropriate. Unfortunately, I don't know how you get them to stop at this point. They've already thrown away their youth, and since they're middle class have had 2-3 chances at a do over. You almost have to find a way to direct them into being simply self-destructive so that they stop spreading their cancer to the rest of society.

You get them to stop by actually providing them with a hopeful future and investing in growing the prospects of your youth and workers. You just give the homeless homes and you work to eliminate the underlying causes for addiction and mental illnesses that come from a grinding lack of any sort of future or perceived future.

Japan and it's "grass-fed males" have been undergoing austerity style politics and a future of soul-crushing dead-end labour for almost 3 decades. They literally have virtually nothing to look forward too in alot of cases. Such is as it is in parts of America, like the dead and dying towns in the rust-belt, where opioid addiction has skyrocketed, and in the United Kingdom as well. Why do you think Corbyn just turned out the youth vote as he did? It's because he provided them with a message that said "we understand your pain and will actually invest in you".

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Jun 12, 2017

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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No, it's set up by establishment media and instigated by one of the Times rags. It coincides with YouTube's release of YouTube TV which basically puts a load of mainstream type stuff in the feed without demonitising any of it, despite alot having content that would get other channels demonitised, such as news and foreign affairs.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Groovelord Neato posted:

obama was right of center, as is his party.

Correct. You don't participate in four more wars in the middle east and a secret campaign in Africa if you're not.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Falstaff posted:

Wait, what?

Africa has seen the most dramatic growth in the deployment of America’s elite troops of any region of the globe over the past decade, according to newly released numbers.

Today, according to U.S. military documents obtained by VICE News, special operators are carrying out nearly 100 missions at any given time — in Africa alone. It’s the latest sign of the military’s quiet but ever-expanding presence on the continent, one that represents the most dramatic growth in the deployment of America’s elite troops to any region of the globe.

And just to note, Somala is by its self was one of the list of neo-con targets that the US has never stopped entering, even all through the years of Democratic party rule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FhZnFZ6TY

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jun 20, 2017

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Best you go watch them for yourself. Personally I find the main TYT channel unbearably Liberal at times, plus they cover alot of frivolous poo poo and alot of the hosts are just terrible.

On the other hand TYT Politics, which is their investigative reporting and analytics arm tends to do not bad work. In alot of cases they're some of the only people on the ground covering some important things.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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NikkolasKing posted:

He seems like a cool dude. I just started subscribing. In terms of "YouTube news" I follow him and Democracy Now.

Young Turks were never for me. Seems all the proper Leftists on YT hate them, too.

But in terms of Seder himself, he has apparently asked to be on Rubin's show. Several more Progressives YouTubers have and Rubin turns them down.

Note, that's not Sam Seder, that co-host Michael Brook, who by and large is better than Sam himself in alot of cases. I used to subscribe to them before the general and like alot of Liberal pundits, they lost their loving minds defending Clinton and bashing down any mention of leaks and potential primary biases (they did support Sanders during the primary, though). They pretty much revealed themselves to by a bit smug libby New York types. Given their offices overlook the Gowanas, that's not a surprise.

They don't go into problems with the Democrats and their failings very often, if at all really, focussing instead on the usual Trump/Republican bashing and foreign affairs. Oh and being snippy at other YouTube people like Jimmy Dore and the like. The Dore one is particularly sad because while Dore lost the debate as a competitive exercise, time has basically proved the point they were contesting

Brook did debate Sargon of Akkad though. I forget what on, but Sargon got shut down rater quickly, despite initially trying to big-dog Alpha bully his way through it. This later brought out accusations of Brook muting Sargon's mike at points, despite the fact you can hear Sargon sputtering away in the background.

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jun 20, 2017

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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NikkolasKing posted:

But yeah, the show isn't ideal or anything but they touch on some stuff I enjoy. I never watched Jimmy Dore until yesterday because he had some videos with Mark Blyth from a couple months ago and they popped up in my Recommendations.

Yeah, the Blyth interviews are pretty good, as are his ones with Thomas Frank, author of the book Listen, Liberal!

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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What I love about Feminist Frequency is that this is all just some basic rear end femenist theory that child-men are blowing up about. This isn't even the better stuff.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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You know, I wanted to like Destiny and was perusing his vids, but then he had to go and put one up arguing against a living minimum wage (not that $15 should actually be considered that) and my eyes just glazed the gently caress over.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

I remember someone saying Russians people in general think like that. They will say something usually conspiratorial is the reason for something and if you ask for anything to back up they laugh and says everyone knows Thing.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Gooseberry Fool is best Fool.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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I can't blame the voters for voting third party or not voting at all. Most of America did that. I blame the politicians and parties for not giving people anything to vote for except the now 2018 slogan of "I'm not as bad as that guy!"

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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I am struggling to understand how you can't see that most people won't vote for bad things. Even slightly less bad things.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Evidence, (such as 1000 lost seats and a lost general election to a sherbert horror) says that most people will not vote for either.

It's staring right at you.

Corbyn's election victories (yes even that general election loss was more or less a victory) says that if you give people something positive to vote for then they will.

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jul 10, 2017

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Pembroke Fuse posted:

You do understand that "good" and "bad" are relative, not absolute? The value judgement of each exists in the context of all the possible alternatives. The poo poo ones may be poo poo, but they're not that poo poo when compared to the others. Your vote has real consequences for the lives of thousands of people. If a Dem is lovely, but isn't actively gutting the social assistance system, they're infinitely preferable to a Rep who will actively work to destroy that system.

As you've already mentioned, in a lovely two-party system, it's really difficult to send a moral message to your own party. If you vote, you may be re-enforcing the wrong message ("I'm cool with this corporatist hack"). If you don't vote, you may also be re-enforcing the wrong message ("we didn't win because we weren't right-wing enough, etc"). The only way to resolve this dilemma is through consequentialist ethics. Not voting means selecting the worst choice. Doing this has the consequence of adversely affecting the lives of many people and perhaps sending the wrong message to your own party. The alternative is voting, sending the wrong message to your own party but at the very least not undermining the lives of many (and finding other ways, like the primaries, to select better candidates). The last one is the more preferable option of the two.

Again, evidence suggests that in pitting a bad candidate against another bad candidate that most people will vote for neither of them.

The lesser of two evil strategy is a colossal failure and the fact that the Democrats are going to try it again in the 2018 elections is loving mind-boggling.

I just noticed this isn't even the Democrats are a Waste thread we're posting in. Should probably take all this type of discussion there.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Trump isn't even that big of a deal. It's the people around him who are creating and passing the policies. He's just the figurehead that they can hide behind because an incompetent opposition refused to tie Trump to the Republicans at large. Now it's not Republican legisation, it's Trump legislation, and that people who would oust Trump would rather have Mike loving Pence because he acts more refined, even though he's be passing all the same poo poo, is just loving insane.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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This is the thing. People act like Trump is some kind of unilateral force of evil that can pass legislation at will. That's not how it works. He's supported by the party in power to do the things that get passed. Nothing that is happening now is happening without approval and support from the structure under him. All Trump does is sign the bills and say stupid poo poo from the bully pulpit.

Whenever I talk to Dems about why Trumps is so bad, the first thing alot of people jump to is that he makes "us" look bad infront of everyone.

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jul 14, 2017

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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I just remembered that a friend of mine has been touring festivals with a small play about dudes who get into this kind of culture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NljKw89OB8Q

I'll have to ask if he'll be putting the whole thing online and not just a trailer.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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JVNO posted:

Have you ever heard someone make the 'Jews/Muslims are not a race' argument where the implication wasn't 'so bigotry against them is OK'?

Yes. Mostly because it's just straight up inaccurate use of language. The correct term to use against people spouting that kind of hatred would be "That's loving bigoted".

Yes I am aware that most people against Muslims are infact against anyone Arabic looking.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Terrible Opinions posted:

Except Jew is a race, because race is a social construct defined by racist people. So because Nazis defined Jew by ancestry, nose shape, hair type, etc. It is a race.

It's more that the Jewish people themselves, at least in harder line populations consider themselves a race and not just a faith. I was talking to a friend recently that's grown up around alot of Jewish people, and one of the big concerns for more orthodox people at the moment is that the younger generation are ok with relationships outside of the people.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Say what you want about TYT or Michael Tracey, this is still a relatively interesting interview with a person writing about the Alt-Right and the like, author of "Kill All Normies" Angela Nagle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bybELxJJtwY

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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From what I've seen, he talks about how lovely the Democrats have been in general. Also he dropped the Seth Rich stuff months ago. If you want to see stuff like that now you have to go to H A Goodman or Nico House. He does occasionally get caught up on a theory like that, but drops them fast usually with a video if evidence comes out to the contrary.

Like he says, he's not a smarty pants, just and average Joe. Thing is he's an average Joe with good communication skills and as such is really good about carrying the message of how the Democratic party aren't really your friends. I'll occasionally watch him because I'm not a big fan of his comedy really, but when he talks about the Democrats and their abandonment of the base, alot of his videos do ring true.

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Aug 3, 2017

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Both by the looks. They abandoned their base to chase after white collar tech sector workers and supposedly moderate Republicans, in a move that failed spectacularly. The base abandoned them because they sounded very, very out of touch with the pressures on the average American.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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And the Democrats are still a thing. And they're still pushing centrist policy triangulaton policy, while only really trying to improve their messaging. I believe his last few videos about the Dems have been about that and Kamala Harris, in between stuff about Scaramucci and the failed repeal of the ACA.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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When you look at who's in charge of the levers of power at the DNC, what do you see though? It's centrists all the way, and if you take a look at their Better Deal, you can already see it's all rhetoric and no real substance.

Anyway, enough leaking The Democrats are a Waste thread into other discussions.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Also it was the British that developed the Concentration Camp during the Boor war.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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I've become a fan of their Re:View series. Best of the Worst is still great though, and Half in the Bag does show their non-pedantic critic chops.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Low Desert Punk posted:

every single something awful thread eventually turns into poor people debating how the rich think and operate


Luckily there's scientific research and historical evidence to back up alot of it.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Or in the case of companies that want to move to Malaysia, taking advantage of actual slavery.

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Aug 30, 2017

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Measly Twerp posted:

It seems that skeptics need to get more political if they want to stay relevant and have a say where on things that are actually being decided right now.

Replace "skeptics" with "everybody".

Casimir Radon posted:

I only have a vague understanding of what Drunken Peasants is. Is there some sort of controversy going on there right now? They seem to have locked a bunch of poo poo down recently.

Are Sargon of Akaad and The Amazing Aethiest/TJ part of that group/have been regularly on their shows? That should be all you need to know.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Over the past few months though, YouTube has been making great efforts to kill off.. well basically anything interesting with their ad policies.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Destiny not being behind a livable minimum wage (he believes it's actually detrimental to have one), is all I need to know to discount the man out of hand for the most part.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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Don't mistake YouTube as leftist, by the way. The demonitization train has hit alot of independent leftist news, current affairs and political discussion channels pretty hard too. Want to discuss the war in Syria? Police shootings of black people? Socialist alternatives to the current state of affais? LGBT rights and activism? No money for you. Many such programs have turned to Patreon for survival.

I think it's written somewhere in their appeals guidelines that all programming should now be suitable for viewing by children 5 years of age.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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There's only one food review channel I have room in my life for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onr7lf5yZn0

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Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

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nickmeister posted:

Who are you talking about specifically? I know they recently hired a few reporters.

Also curious. I watch TYT Politics (their reporting arm) on the reg, and I can't say I've seen anything close to those sentiments floating around.

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