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Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

Carl is so sad to think about. He's just a fat old man with no education or future. What will he do when this gravy train is up?

Does it ever dry up, though? Look at Savage, LaRouche, David Duke, Art Bell. All still going, just getting meaner and crazier.

These groups are fiercely loyal once they get a figurehead. Your greater visibility may wax or wane, but as long as you stay crazy and loud, there is a bottom floor of support and income you pretty much can't go below. Especially now that crowdfunding is a thing.

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Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Someone should dare Sargon to post about some racist/fascistic militias that he actually disapproves. He'd either have to attack some Confederacy groupies and lose fans, or post pics of BLM or Berkeley and become more of a joke 'leftist'.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Codex Occultus posted:


Man, it was such a clusterfuck of "I HAVE MY EYES CLOSED SO YOU CANT SEE ME" level deception.

And it worked, and spawned movements.

Well, not -worked- worked. Games like Life is Strange, Night in the Woods and even Undertale, who depart from many conventions of "gamer culture", have become a bit of a mainstay, thankfully. But the role "real, politically incorrect gamer dude" has now been cemented and is a path to money and recognition, and will stay that way.

I worked in gaming media when Gamergate broke and I remember personal friends all the way here in Brazil wailing about drat harpies ruining games and slutting it up with reviewers. I'd tell them that companies playing footsie with review copies, ad space and compromised staff (who would generally sell their mothers to stop being an impoverished games mag/site editor and go work for Ubisoft) were things I saw regularly, but this horde of blue-haired indie girls was yet to be seen.

Crickets.

The average gamer thinks hating Electronic Arts (in a vague way) is all that is required for him to be a dashing independent rogue. It's no fun to punch at the big stuff. You rarely see results, and even when they happen, they are hollow. Konami changed their Twitter staffer because of a backlash? Oh, the skies shake themselves asunder!

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

theCalamity posted:

Grand Wizard Wakka is their outlet.

Woolie going 'The RACE WAR is ONNNNNNN' during the LP was the highlight of my week back then.

They do have a knack for managing to joke about sensitive themes and still make it funny, because they play the vile stuff as something vile that only a moron would say.

It also helps that they always have another person there, so one can make a fake dark comment and the other can go 'Shut the gently caress up you dolt!'.

Compare that to, say DarkSydePhil literally going "Ching chong dong eat dog!" whenever an asian person appears in a game he is playing. Even if it -was- a parody of racist tropes (which is likely not), there's no one to call him on it and actually make it into a joke, so it just...sits there and rots, like a dead fish thrown in someone's face.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Yeah, this was really weak, and this is coming from someone who would likely give him a chance if he seemed sincere, in a heartbeat.

He's not worried about the effect of his position or how they align with this bunch of vile creeps. He just doesn't want to have the infamy of sharing the boat with the chuckling edgelords. It's about image, not content.

Or maybe the Patreon money is drying up and he can't quite catch the loudest assholes, so he needs to figure out a new space to occupy. The "reasonable, non-Trumpster Skeptic" sect, if you please.

It just might have enough people to fill an average pool.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

mojo1701a posted:

I have to wonder, given the mentions of his own father dying, if he feels this way purely because this is something that actually happened to him, like gay-friendly Republicans only because their kid is gay.

Yeah, it's a bit weird. To go from "Look at these snowflakes, getting bitchy because they think words hurt! Get a thicker skin you pansies!" to "Abloo bloo they talked crap about my dead Daaaad! So much for the tolerant SJWs!" on a dime shouldn't surprise my anymore, but somehow it still does.

I mean, I get it. Like all movements, there are some embarrassing, aggressive people among progressives, feminists, socialists, you name it. People who will attack you personally, twist what you say, lie. It's called the human condition. But pretending that they are a big enough deal to justify an entire movement to counter them is just an insane level of wrong priorities, or just a sadistic glee in punching down.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Wasn't that guy one of the psychic SS officers in Starship Troopers?

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Lightning Lord posted:

I read somewhere that it's a handful of rich weirdos bankrolling this stuff :shrug:

Well, if you marry within the family you prevent the wealth spreading to undeserving poors, however hot or nice they may be!

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

NikkolasKing posted:

She did a great few videos on Phantom of the Opera which I appreciated since my girlfriend got me into the franchise.

Her stuff is quite good, yes. The Rent critique in particular cuts like a diamond chip, and goes so much deeper than the "They ruined it when they made it into a movie blaaah" that you get all over Youtube.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
That is part of it, but not the dull concept. It has to do with the structure of narrative, how making a compelling villain can bite you back when applied to historical figures/movements, and such. There's a reason Darth Vader has always been cooler than Luke Skywalker, and when you translate that outside of pure fiction...

poo poo, I remember when American History X came out and pretty much all of my teen geek friends couldn't shut up about what a badass Norton's character was, how he had a hot girlfriend and banged her really hard and how rad it was that he made some thug bite the curb. So it does chill be a bit to see it referred to again in our current context.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Barbe Rouge posted:

LOL what the gently caress
I understand this in a way, showing cycles of violence that fuel each other or whatever, but to the morons that idolized derek that would have been a complete affirmation of neonazism IMO.

poo poo, several of my friends then thought the morals of the story was "Hit them hard enough and they won't be around to kill you in the bathroom later. The dude only got raped because he talked crap to his peers and was causing trouble."

So yeah, American History X was the first Pepe the Frog.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
A year or so back, long after I had unsubbed from Thunderf00t, he popped up back onto my feed debating Sargon over the Brexit thing. I was tempted to give it a watch, if only to see how he tried to juggle being an 'unbiased rational' while offering enough red meat to the Sargon fans to poach a few.

In the end, the prospect of having two smug voices dueling to see who could poo poo better inside my ears won out and I never watched it.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Yeah it's a race for these people and that's enough for the discussion.

I wonder if anyone's ever done a skit in which some SS guard stops a jewish person and says "You're a jew, come with me!", only to have the person go "Actually, I just converted to Zoroastrism."

"Huh. Well, carry on, then!"

On less happy angles, I had a friend in high school that was black and jewish, and he said that he got no end of crap from orthodox types when he visited Israel. They kept saying that whatever rabbi that did his Bar Mitzvah was out of his mind. :(

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
You don't get it. I should be able to do a set of myself naked with swastikas inked on my junk, singing a rap that rhymes the n-word with the n-word every verse, and no one should be able to say anything about it other than "It's not my kind of humor" or maybe "It went over my head, I guess."

Anything less and we are in a totalitarian PC dystopia and we should fire college teachers and pundits until normality is restored. Maybe even institute some public watch to preserve Freedom, like they do in Saudi Arabia.

Comitte for the Promotion of Kek and the Prevention of SJW.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Monglo posted:

Are you talking about Stewart Lee, the British comedian? Yeah, he's great.
I always thought that when alt-righters laugh at insane screeching SJW Regressives it was a strawman. But some people in this thread prove that they actually exist. And on SA of all places!
What's your opinion on Sam Harris - he has been portrayed as a pseudo intellectual often by both sides of the political spectrum. But I dunno, he just seems to be bad at communicating his ideas. I haven't heard him advocate for something that I would find particularly distasteful.

Your point? Of course there are extreme and embarrassing supporters of any ideology. If you're going to use that to excuse your own brand of jerkassery, you're just another moron in the pile.

Harris is a clown and a bigot. When he writes about pre-emptively nuking entire countries, it's just a thought experiment, see, but when someone on Youtube uses strong language, OMG, we are losing the Clash of Civilization to the barbarians! He may be the worst turd to come out of New Atheism, and it's a proud atheist saying that.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Monglo posted:

I didn't mean to come off as a jackass. Sorry if I did.

And about Sam Harris, why is it insufficient explanation for you that what he said was in fact a part of a thought experiment? Why ascribe an insidious motive to his musings?
Like I remember hearing him talk on a possibility of inventing a true AI, he said that such an invention would put the country that produced it way ahead of its competitors making it defacto the world's only superpower and the only way for anyone to stop it is to nuke that country as soon as they hear about them creating this AI. This scenario is interesting to consider, because it poses questions about the potential future of our technological development and it's impact on the world's economy. It's not meant to persuade the listener that we must eradicate millions of people just in case they develop a new type of a computer.
I feel like when he speaks about world politics and religion he also uses these hypothetical scenarios that he admits might not be correct in assessing the true state of things.
And he's has written that book about reforming Islam with Maajid Nawaz, he doesn't seem to just be bigoted against people of Arab descent, I think.

Because it aligns with the dumb zeitgeist every time. Torture, War on Terror, ethnic and religious profiling, you name it. Like Jonh Yoo, he is always glad to serve as a cover for the worst impulses of western dumbassery, all in the name of some disinterested, 'rational' exploration. Read his exchange with Chomski. It's not a pleasant read from either writer, but Harris' casual dismissal of countless horrible events because the 'civilized' side meant well was chilling. And that''s not even going into the "Ted Cruz has the sanest immigration policy" bit. Not bigoted? Hardly.

The whole "He's doesn't hate X, he even talks about reforming it!" also means nothing. I've seen it often in dealing with race. "I don't hate blacks, just BLACK CULTURE. If they only got married, wore suits, stayed in their schools and stopped doing the hippity hop, it's all be perfect!" . It's basically a way to blame a whole side, moderate and radicals both, for your reductive views.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
RLM is usually way above, say, South Park in their humor style. They do feature a lot of gross/mean thing, but the point is that those ARE gross and mean things done by awful people. They don't pretend it's cool or edgy or even offer a "sensible middle path" like South Park.

They are not ultra-progressives, granted, but they don't have to be. Rich Evans openly called several alt-right 'skeptics' morons and doubled down on it onscreen. Mike even admitted to being disturbed by the 'hidden' message of Starship Troopers (Violence solves everything, go with the vile status quo, actually caring gets you killed).

They even said that the female Ghostbusters cast was one of the few good ideas in the remake that could have elevated it somehow if it wasn't so crap in every other level. They bring up issues like sexism, racism and such often, but don't really linger on them, which is fine because they are cinema buffs talking about movies and geek stuff.

That is not to say that tons of edgelords can't ignore that and see it as a defense of their poo poo.

Mr. Plinkett is in dire peril of being the new Pepe, is what I'm saying.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

PZ is sadly a non-entity nowadays, precisely because he tried to make a stand against the FREE SPEECH edgelords and get a more inclusive, representative going. It can also be blamed on the blogger movement basically losing its steam over Youtube/Reddit.

Dawkins is a weird case, because he actually mentions feminism by name in The God Delusion as a good example for atheism to emulate in raising consciousness about its message and pointing out unfair portrayals. And then, the moment he could speak out about it, he opened his maw and vomited ignorant garbage.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

I am terrified of nonbinary sexuality and nonbinary people therefore terrify me because I don't know whether I'm allowed to want to have sex with them or not.

They will never, ever forgive trans people for failing to live up to the totally real standards set by their massive consumption of futanari porn.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

noether posted:

the amount of transphobia in trans porn communities is astounding. like you'd think people would be respectful of the folks they're imagining themselves being pegged by, but I guess the decency must get lost somewhere in the weeds of all the jargon and weird non-trans trans people

I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me in the least. There has to be some good study about it at this point. I remember dating an ancap girl with -terrible- views on race that was borderline addicted to interracial porn, so it's not an uncommon thing.

I wonder if starting a porn studio for leftists banging/being banged by libertarians would trigger that lucrative, shameful instinct. I have a patent to file!

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Spoony is a sad case. His stuff had a good level of effort and humor, but as others said, the type that gets an outlet doing online stuff is not usually the same type that gels well with other people. I remember seeing some messages of his on Twitter about trying new medication and hoping it was helping, but apparently not. Shortly afterward he was screeching at someone merely for saying that honey doesn't ever go bad, because it would not survive the heat death of the universe. Depression PLUS anger management issues is a combo I'd not wish on anyone.

As for Metokur, I just saw him on a Sons on Kojima episode as he bragged about dunking on perennial wanker DarkSydePhil, and he seemed way too happy to bully losers and toot his own horn for being an internet warrior, so I'm not surprised he turned out to be a shithead. And even the SoK turned out to be a bunch of edgy, toxic assholes.

Are youtube celebs just broken people, or do 'real' celebs benefit from having less exposure and PR machines that deal with their poo poo in the backstage? A question for the ages.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Gotta say I was disappointed by TAE's Matt Dillahunty's view on thealt-right shitlords. I like him fine, but he seems to have taken to that academic, bloodless view of valuing terminology over meaning. "This guy hates and wishes death upon gays, communists and jews, but NOT gypsies. Therefore, I cannot in good conscience call him a nazi, and if you do, you are a moron and a liar, good sir!"

The fact that several of his fellows guests might have been moderating their discourse in a mixed event, compared to spewing straight bile when in their own echo chambers, also seems o have sailed right over his head. He could at least have given credit to, you know, people who actually -have- watched their material, which he admits he did not.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Mr Interweb posted:

Good article from the Baffler:

New Atheism’s Idiot Heirs

Holy crap. As an atheist who saw it all happen in real time, this hurts. It's a sharp, honest analysis of how entitled internet shitlords outgrew the faint humanism they shared when they saw themselves as isolated smarter-than-thou loners and became proud, turbo-assholes. I don't know why I dodged that bullet, but I'm so glad I did.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Dispatch from Brazil:

Local middle-class kid (14) in Goiania went to school, pulled out a gun he filched from his parents, and opened fire, killing two other kids and wounding others.

Going through his skype talks with friends, police found a festival of alt-right dross. He used 'Adolf' as handle in several accounts, bitched to his friends about their communist parents because he couldn't say racist stuff at their homes, argued at length about how the holocaust was a hoax, went on about heroes like Hitler, Pinochet, future brazilian dictator Jair Bolsonaro....and gushed endlessly, sloppily about Pewdiepie.

This will get a lot worse before it gets better.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Dapper_Swindler posted:

jesus loving christ. i am amused how these dudes jerk off to "high christian europe culture" and poo poo on the evil islamic brown hoards, then spend days at a time making arguments why its ok to gently caress a 9 year old girl. "see this little girl wants this charmander doll, that's consent"

"Did you know Mohammed had a bride who was NINE years old? And he could have waited a few years to consummate the marriage, but he DID NOT!.......

....hey, maybe them mooslimbs aren't all bad."

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Baked Alaska's gibbering livestreamed walk after his twitter ban was legitimately scary. Like, literal stream-of-consciousness ranting about communists tearing him away from his 'family', trying to work up USA-USA chants in the chat, the works. All while roaming around parking lots, roadsides and such.

It'd actually be less creepy if he was crying of raging, but there is a weird detached vibe to him that really does make me believe he'd pull out a gun and shoot up people without ever breaking a sweat or having some inner conflict over it.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

boner confessor posted:

he has pretty serious personality issues if he melted down that hard about getting banned from twitter

No kidding. I watched about 15 minutes of it while it was happenining, and the hunger for validation of ANY kind was pathetic at first, then just sad. It'd be like me bothering my bus driver about SA forum drama. "They told ME to take it to take it to Thunderdome! You'd upvote my thread, wouldn't you, mr?"

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Who What Now posted:

Slapping tits on something is 99% of all advertising that exists, my dude. You're gonna have to chuck out all of society before that goes away. It's not great, but it's not a problem unique to twitch or even one that Twitch suffers from more than anyone else. Focusing on them is asinine.

Dunno man, DarkSydePhil's been a boob on both Youtube and Twitch for a while now and it's not going too well for him....

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Amoxicilina posted:

The entire idea of holocaust denial, or downplaying the reality has always been strange to me. I have never understood it. Can someone explain to me why Nazis and their sympathizers do this?

One would think they would feel pride, no?

I really don't get it.

Their reals beefs with Hitler are two:

1-He killd the wrong minoritiy
2-He lost.

By minimizing the first one, they make extreme right wing beliefs more palatable overall. If even the MOST RADICAL right wing strongman didn't kill that much, why, they are not that bad at all!

As for #2, they are working on it. Hell, if ol' Adolf would have had the foresight to name his party National Entrepreneurs this fascist comeback would likely have happened in the 1970s.

There's also the whole mythmaking bonus of making sure only the massacres and killings of the left are ever remembered, with everything else being minimized, explained away, or just forgotten. "Stalin killed 300 million russians, there were none left! Pfft, Hitler? He killed, like, 900k people, and even those were mostly just typhus. Jews and gypsies were not that clean back then, you know, they had it coming. What, you anted the guards to wipe their asses for them?"

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Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Monglo posted:

Destiny and Amos debate, unfortunately for Destiny, Amos is making the same argument for pedophilia's moral neutrality as he himself did for incest just a couple of weeks before. So it's awkward to see him try to make arguments against, basically, himself and failing pretty hard.

Yeah. I'm usually good about watching vile stuff to the end, but this seemed so weaselly, smug and dumb that I started skipping ahead, and it just got worse.

"So, if someone REALLY likes to rape, a utilitarian mindset would have to let them rape, because they get more pleasure out of it than other people get out of NOT being raped!" And that's Destiny, not Yee. Truly, the way to defeat any libertarian is to go for maximum monstrosity, since they only feel the fire if you try to help someone and will twist into a knot to excuse actual abuse.

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