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Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
every lovely right-wing douchebag with terrible politics is starting their own youtube podcast for some reason. i find a new one every other day, this is what i came across today:

https://youtu.be/GoGI-GKqukg

then i went on to the host's twitter and lol:

https://twitter.com/HipstCapitalist

also apparently lovely libertarians are unironically calling themselves neoliberal in a bid to "reclaim" the term

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Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

I Before E posted:

I like how the white upper class is completely blameless for this despite constituting the majority of Trump's voter base.

rich people can't be racist or otherwise because only the dirty poors have the ability to be racist. ever hear of s rich white person profiting off of racism?

what's absolutely hilarious to me is that if rkadji were to actually present an empirical argument for his elitism, he'd have to go to HBD and galtonian biodeterminism.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Praseodymi posted:

EDIT: And also doing an anti-idpol rant, but I haven't watched that yet.

rants against idpol just give off a bad vibe. i think a bit of "idpol" (give it a different name here if you want) is useful and necessary for leftist organizing in deeply unequal societies, like in basically any (formerly) colonial society. criticism of it is also necessary, because if it can't be criticized then you'll have terrible people abusing it, like the clinton campaign did. though brocialists ranting against idpol is pretty bad, mostly because they use criticism against idpol to excuse their lovely condescending behavior towards ethnic minorities and other oppressed groups, and anyone criticizing them for it is just someone brainwashed by idpol or whatever.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

OwlFancier posted:

Why does programming give people more of a god complex than physics despite physics being far more deserving of the title?

there are two types of physicists, the humble ones like feynman etc. and the ones who realize they can't carry out their ego-stroking within the field of physics and take their god complex to other fields. a good example is greg cochran, a guy who believes that gay people are gay because of a pathogen. guess how much evidence he has for that. though there's a lot more to be said about him than just that.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
https://youtu.be/EO5Gayz4NNw

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Praseodymi posted:

I watched his video, he literally said "Ending capitalism will and sexism". He's even getting called out by (people I would describe as) tankie you tubers like FinnishBolshevik for being a brocialist.

FinnBoll did a pretty good response to it actually, saying that idpol is a useless term, because identity politics is fine, it's when people do it Liberally or apolitically that's the problem.

part of the reason why this sort of thing is common in far-left circles on the internet is due to the subcultures of places like /leftypol/ (and earlier lf, though it's debatable how explicitly far-left the posting population on lf was) where "ironic" sexism and racism is not only common, but that being sexist and / or racist is fine if you can profess to beliefs that are adequately far-left enough. then you end up with people like permabanned former forums poster maggotmaster. and one reason that such people rant against idpol is, imo, that following idpol one can only conclude that they're still racist and sexist even if they're doing it ironically.

freddie deboer talks about this stuff in this article, though he greatly exaggerates the harm caused by ironic counterculture like weird twitter on the left because he's still a loser who spends most of his time on the internet, no matter how much he complains about the left not organising irl.

Pembroke Fuse posted:

I call this the reverse Dunning-Krueger: when you're so smart/capable in one field, you're totally blindsided by the fact that your expertise is very narrow and doesn't map on to any other discipline.

i think it's more that because they have knowledge and capability of one field, they realize they can never truly find the glory they seek in that one field, which is especially true for physics. so to wank their egos they move over to another field and pass off their dumb ideas as valuable to that field, but if they truly understood that other field whose lawn they're making GBS threads on, they'd realize how worthless their ideas are. like with greg cochran and his gay germ hypothesis (lol), the only real justification for this hypothesis seems to be that it sprang from his genius mind, so it must be the best and truest explanation. also because he's a racist and a homophobe, so all his lovely hypotheses in the biological and human genetic fields are rooted in justifying his racism, and thus based on lovely hereditarian stuff by jensen et al.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Visidan posted:

Saw this interesting lil image posted on av club



i should also say that comparing video views and subscriber count can be pretty telling, tells you about the "true" subscriber count (discounting bots, people who don't watch the videos etc.) and what sort of videos the subscribers will prefer to watch. youtubers like hbomb, for example, you'll notice, get views proportionate to their subscriber count.

which makes sense, i bet not all sargon subscribers will follow the notification for every video, only if the title grabs their interest or whatever other reason. i would imagine the subscribership for youtubers who put a good deal of effort, research, and production values in their videos will be more likely to follow the notification soon after the video goes up, whereas even sargon's subscribers probably aren't too keen on watching every single sargon video as it goes up, since they go up regularly and at the end of the day are cheaply made and not exciting to watch.

Fututor Magnus fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Oct 6, 2017

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
does anyone know about this channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhnfs2lg5CE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nviIsMUTV-8

who the gently caress is this guy?

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Sax Solo posted:

It's not just a poor vocabulary. It's really tough for dudes to navigate all the masculinity status minefield bullshit to ever say anything at all. That stuttering isn't someone with a bad vocabulary, it's someone who is trapped like a rat by gender. What Destiny is doing in that video is, like, emotional labor and it's actually kind of valuable socially, though I loving hate listening to it.

i'm not seeing the connection between masculinity performativity and poverty of speech. i think this is a guy who spends most his days playing video games and reading idiots on chat, where brevity is the rule and no one is going to use complex words or syntax.

i.e. i don't think it's gender that's the cause of poor vocabulary, but rather that the guy is just not well read. seriously, show me a major streamer with even a little erudition, those skills are irrelevant in streaming. and imo the point of being that sort of figure; a big time streamer, let's-player and whatnot, is to come off as relatable to the millions of teenage boys tuning in to watch. perhaps an eight grade vocabulary and mannerisms of a 12 year old are advantageous.

Fututor Magnus fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 19, 2017

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

OwlFancier posted:

Being well read is unmasculine in some circles, and especially being able to articulate emotive subjects fluently.

Of course the great thing about being a dude is that you can ignore that and you probably won't get called on it but it is a thing.

i don't discount that, but in other circles it's erudition that's seen as masculine, especially if you use that for social domination and such (rather than for emotive subjects, such as poetry and whatnot, though it's obv. not so simple).

but in this case with streamers, and i'm going to say internet stardom in general, i think there is no selection for erudition for the most part. except in cases where the façade of erudition is an asset, which is what you see with sargon, jordan petersen, and so on.

in short, i don't think this destiny guy is dumb because the cultural norms of masculinity demands it, but rather because he's just... dumb. and for what he's doing, it doesn't matter (and might even help).

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

OwlFancier posted:

I think in a lot of the gaming circle erudition is very specifically unmasculine in the same way it is when you're 12 and in school, because a lot of them are 12 and in school, and a lot of the celebrities are mentally 12 and in school.

It is not an environment that cultivates any sort of positive concept of masculinity and one I think that helps enforce a particularly negative concept of it.

i can't say anything about the average ages of people who watch streamers, but i doubt it's just pre-adolescents and adolescents. there seem to be plenty of 4chan types among destiny's following, and posting on 4chan never made anyone smart. but i'm not convinced that erudition is shunned for being masculine rather than just not required.

it's interesting to consider what conceptions of masculinity you would find floating around on internet gaming circles. i think the focus is on gaming proficiency, and when you're selecting for that skill in particular, you're obviously going to get people who've never read a book since school and who spend most of their waking hours in front of computer playing games.

this sort of thing is really annoying when it comes to youtube game reviewers like angry joe, dunkey and the like. their "insight" into games are always so trite and superficial. playing games a lot doesn't give you the skills to talk about them in a critical sense.

when it comes to masculine performativity, i think the most obvious behavior in internet gaming people related to that is the general expectation that you have a dominating presence (even if you swear at your followers and scream like a harpy). also, not flinching at 4chan humour, otherwise you're a gay SJW. you can see that poo poo at work with anthony fantano, for one, where he has come to embody a very disgusting conception of masculinity simply to be cool.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Midig posted:

Destiny can actually articulate a point. The guy who he is speaking to, who mentally lives in high school, is the the idiot. If you just watch 10 minutes of that video you will notice the "But, but, but, hear me out, I just wanna say, you know man, like, I literally, but, but what I was trying to say is, I mean I don't, you know like" etc. forever.

which is why i'm not surprised that destiny lacks any erudition if he's surrounded by idiots like these. but, if he were intelligent, he wouldnt have ended up with an audience that's so stupid. there's selection going on both ways, dumb streamer accumulates following of equally if not more dumb people, and said dumb audience keeps streamer from developing intellectually.

Guavanaut posted:

The smart tweed coated British academic triggering the libs and feminists with hard rational logic is hilarious to them for the same reason that the Marxist intellectual being 'owned' by the blue collar real working class guy is, because it's a power play for the advancement of the team they're invested with.

If the smart tweed coated guy turns out to actually be a rigorous academic and thus against team shitass then suddenly he's an out of touch elitist again, it's all about power plays against the bad people.

that's obviously the case in political / politicized circles, but in more apolitical (obv. not totally apolitical) circles like gaming people like ben shapiro have no place. people like ben shapiro fill the role of making right-wingers feel smart when they see libruls being epicly pwned. in gaming, it seems to me that less intelligent forms of social domination come out on top, and that likely has some source in the conceptions of masculinity that go around in gaming circles.

Fututor Magnus fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 19, 2017

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i think it depends what your looking for. people like angry joe/ dunkey(who is more of joke concept) others arnt trying to do some super deep thematic critical thing. they are doing a basic, is the game fun/good/not broken review. if you want deeper stuff. go for errant signal or super bunny hop or Noah Caldwell-Gervais. all of those dudes are great at that stuff.

personaly. i dont watch streamers. i'll watch super best friends for interesting conversations and oney plays/vinesauce group for humor.

yeah, i know. i just wanted to make the point that a lack of erudition is advantageous in gaming circles, because far more people consider angry joe an authority on video games than noah gervais, as evidenced by the views each get respectively. obviously the video length factor is also there (i like to watch / hear longform videos while exercising, but an angry joe video can be finished in one sitting). perhaps gamers generally don't bother in thinking much about the media they consume. i wonder if that has anything to do with masculinity? is critical analysis seen as too nerdy, even to gamers?

but there's one obvious reason i can discern why someone might love angry joe but not noah gervais or campster, is because the former will never bring up feminism or any other SJW ideology. speaking of which, i've seen a few youtubers (very small-time) doing game critiques from a right-wing or at least "anti-SJW" position, and they were really bad and pseudointellectualism to the extreme.

e: what i mean is that when you bring up feminism ever, the average gamer will dismiss you as an ideologue bringing your pernicious SJW ideology into muh pure video game.

Fututor Magnus fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Nov 19, 2017

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Mr Interweb posted:

That douche that was fired from Google for arguing that women are genetically pre-disposed to sucking at hard sciences (well, at least, compared to males) blames the fact that he's autistic and the Guardian helps provide a non-critical outlet for him:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/16/james-damore-google-memo-interview-autism-regrets

i guess the guardian cares more about the clicks they'll get for poo poo like interviewing richard spencer and giving the google dude a platform rather than the consequences of giving these people a soapbox from which to spread hate.

and most actually autistic people would say that it is not an excuse for having lovely beliefs, and more importantly, that being autistic does not mean you'll end up hating women, which is what is implied when calling out someone's poo poo ideology is countered with accusations of ableism (common thing in the rationalist community, btw, claiming neurodiversity as an excuse for a variety of terrible beliefs).

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Fados posted:

https://youtu.be/0FucMhEKKgc

This dude, that runs Zero Books, has 3 videos debunking him and they're pretty good.

Also I would add that most of his lovely views on the left come from his philosophical Jungian base which most often than not leads to crappy hierarchical views of society via eternal and universal ~archetypes~

holy poo poo, zero books has a youtube channel? do you know the guy voicing the videos btw?

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

ikanreed posted:

Because he's very good at wrapping terfy points in reasonable rhetoric that is about academic credibility, and then playing the victim and not updating his views when serious factual errors and tonal biases are highlighted.

And he's generally left leaning and plays at hating TERFs. And he fooled me with this poo poo, because a lot of the criticism that's out there about him is hard to agree with, because it's so angry for such subtle bullshittery

yeah, that's the problem with singal for the most part. i used to follow him for the longest time before this whole thing transpired, and i found it hard to fathom at first the criticisms against singal because he's mostly not a piece of poo poo, and even his reactions to the criticisms he started receiving were far milder than what you'd get from your usual reactionary.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
this is sort of related to the discussion of streamers and such, but check this out and the article:

https://twitter.com/PCGamesN/status/936198212054142976

but if you want to get really mad, check out the replies to it by a bunch of blue checkmarks (people big in esports, i guess) defending the people implicated in the article for the stupidest reason possible. what the gently caress is wrong with esports?

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

it does honestly seem to be FYAD's tantrum against hbomberguy, because they never did like him to begin with. from what i hear they consider him unfunny or something. not that i'm saying they're wrong, but that seems to be the reason.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

apropos to nothing posted:

In fyad this is all we talk about. The rise of hbomberguy we consider to be one of our biggest mistakes and te primary reason why all the funny posters left. We've been working on a plan to bring him down soon though which should set everything to right, so stay tuned

the funny posters had left long before, so don't worry about that. unfortunately FYAD is too lovely to carry out any real goon project either. i doubt most FYAD posters really care about this, anyway. whatever, neither do i.

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Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Aramis posted:

I found the video decent if a little shallow considering how pervassive the subject is, however...

202K subscribers and 2-10K views per video, what the hell is going on here?

that's the guy who made up his girlfriend, and wife, more than once. made a sex doll be his wife. now he has a lovely channel where he tries to make content for the same audience of people like hbomberguy and fails miserably at it, and has to purchase subscribers.

this guy is deserving of nobody's time.

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