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If I'm around in SAGoons I'm more than happy to help people grinding games out for Nexus challenges, and I definitely want Poli.Va so count me in for that. Thanks to the megabundle I now have about 51 or so of the heroes in the game. The only specialists left are the ones I don't have interest in playing (Medivh, TLV, and Probius) and my last remaining Warrior is Cho'Gall. I bought Lucio with gold and have a bunch left for rerolling, and I snagged a rainbow unicorn for Murky to ride into battle so 2.0 has been pretty decent so far.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Overwatch is the dumbest IP ever This isn't true even if you only limit the comparison to other Blizzard games.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:17
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porfiria posted:Haha that Valeera patch note reads like it was churned out in a 10 second panic. Well they're anticipating an influx of new players and if Overwatch and Sombra have taught me anything it's that just whispering the word "stealth" near anyone causes them to shriek like pod people, regardless of how actually good said stealth characters are. So yeah, I imagine the impetus was "well poo poo, let's nerf this character and after a month we can go back and revise things."
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Apr 26, 2017 03:18
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SirSamVimes posted:Is it just me, or do random voice lines in the game not happen any more? Do we only get the purchased ones now? Yeah I noticed that too. The announcers don't seem to kick in right when you appear in the map either. I'm assuming it's a bug because they gave Genji a whole bunch of pre-match interactions you can find on Youtube.
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Apr 26, 2017 04:09
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Macaluso posted:Having so many new options for characters is great!! Sonya is great. I had so much fun with Anub'arak tonight We should do some Nexus games together when it's time for the new D.Va skin since most of the Overwatch chill thread seems more interested in hanjoing them out than actually playing, KaiTave#1146
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It's the same thing in Overwatch really, or any other team game, everybody doing a dumb thing together is better than one person trying to be the voice of reason. Especially if that person is a support, whose entire purpose is to be near other people.
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Apr 26, 2017 18:49
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"If I go to the deathball and help my team win this dumb fight over nothing then we can get back to sensibly laning," there, now you can both maintain your sense of superiority about being the only smart person on the team while also doing something that's marginally more likely to help move things forwards in a positive direction.
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Apr 26, 2017 19:13
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Orthodox Rabbit posted:I like the start of the round slap-fight in middle because its great for getting some easy stacks on level 1 quests that need you to hit heroes. And then if you quickly transition to another lane when the fight quickly winds down you can get some extra exp over the enemy team when they stick around too long in mid. Everybody charges mid in QM for probably two reasons: 1). They saw some pro players do it once for actual sensible reasons and decided that this is how they should always play regardless of context or circumstance, and: 2). It's quickmatch so nobody really gives a poo poo. e; it's like how in quickmatch in Overwatch people getting mad because their team slampicks Hanzo and Widowmaker instead of an "effective comp" when you're literally queuing into the Nothing Matters mode that doesn't even track W/L or anything, the actual tryhards are off playing competitive.
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Apr 26, 2017 19:21
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The actual sensible reason is that the middle lane is shorter than the other two. That means that the minions meet sooner. You can clear a minion wave or get picks with everyone in the middle before the other two lanes meet. I didn't know that, thanks. So is there any rhyme or reason for who should go to what lane when you do actually split up into lanes?
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Apr 26, 2017 22:04
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Zaodai posted:Nice, they finally made it so I can set Shift+RightClick to be attack move and turn off Shift modifier being queued commands. That was like half my issue with trying to play HOTS right there. This is probably a dumb question but how do you reconfigure move and attack-move controls? I spent a good 20 minutes going through options last night but I couldn't find how to redo those controls, just the hotkeys for abilities and the like.
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Apr 26, 2017 23:06
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Pop-o-Matic Trouble posted:Is there a trick to playing the overwatch heroes? They're all on ice skates and it feels real bad man. Everybody in the game moves like that, sorry. It's a game, and genre, based on an RTS. It is really noticable with regards to the Overwatch characters since 3/4ths of them are some of the fastest characters in Overwatch the FPS which makes it stand out a bit more. Lucio has a bunch of talents that play off his wallriding ability though which increase his speed even more as well as talents which increase his green speed boost aura's effect but focusing on making Lucio super-fast isn't necessarily gonna be that helpful. The one that always fucks with me is that Tracer's recall doesn't heal you until level 20 which means there's an entirely different dynamic to using it in HotS as opposed to Overwatch.
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Apr 27, 2017 05:49
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SKULL.GIF posted:It's specifically Tracer and Lúcio who feel like they're on ice skates, because unlike other heroes, when you attack someone while you're moving, you continue to move towards wherever you ordered your hero to move. This means that unlike Valla or someone where you can deliberately interrupt your move order via attacking (and it is very frequently desirable to do so), you have to interrupt your move order with another move order to prevent yourself from sliding into the enemy team and to your death --- or you just simply click very very close to your hero instead of in the general direction that you want your hero to move into. It's a big adjustment! Ah yeah, I did forget that detail, you're right. What always messes me up with that isn't so much the regular movement as it is the fact that when you blink with Tracer she continues moving in the direction she was moving before you hit blink, which means if you don't very quickly manually adjust her movement what happens is you blink back to try and get out of someone's way but she immediately begins moving towards them again.
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Apr 27, 2017 06:05
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Onean posted:Find and use your Stop keybind. Default is S. Huh, well poo poo, I feel stupid now.
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Apr 27, 2017 07:11
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Toady posted:5-manning mid before the minions clash in the other lanes in order to force a team fight/get quest stacks is common. More importantly, Lucio is an AoE buff hero whose value is wasted alone. It could even be that the team grouped up specifically because they had a Lucio and expected to be able to rotate to other lanes quickly. Just saying it's not as clear-cut as you're making it sound. I'm not trying to pick on anyone or anything but like I said, this sort of thing is practically word-for-word how it goes down in Overwatch and I assume most any other team-oriented competitive game you could name. "I was doing [SMART THING ON PAPER] but my team was doing [LESS OPTIMAL THING] so I declined to join them and of course we didn't win, the fault is that my teammates are idiots," and maybe they are but they're the idiots you have to work with. If they want to deathball in mid lane and the other team isn't all spreading out so they can have XP advantage but is meeting your team in their own deathball and you're the one stubbornly staying away from that guaranteeing a 4v5 then you do in fact share some responsibility for what happens. This is in fact a thing I need to work on myself as prior to level 10 I'll be in games where brawls will suddenly break out over nothing and I need to do a better job of deciding if I should go join in (since we aren't losing soak when everyone is all clustered up) or if I should stay in lane and continue to soak/push. There are times when the answer has gone either way.
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Apr 27, 2017 07:59
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rapeface posted:I knew I should have checked the thread before I opened 100000 boxes. There's an expiration date on it but it's not until the 22nd of next month so you've got some time to mess around and see what you'd like. BGrifter posted:I'm wondering exactly the same thing. Ragnaros looks really cool, but Abathur sounded interesting when I watched a bit of this at Blizzcon one year. Ragnaros seems cool but I don't know if he really plays drastically differently from most heroes. Molten Core is a rad ability but you aren't occupying structures all the time, it's basically like a second heroic ability that he always has on hand with an appropriately long cooldown, otherwise for the most part you're still scrumming it up with the rest of the heroes. I think the best way to describe him would be as a sort of melee caster, you get up close and use your abilities to help you smash people and drop meteors on them. Abathur is also cool and definitely plays differently from most characters but requires a ton of awareness at all times, he's a sort of "high APM" character like the Lost Vikings. Murky is obviously fun as hell if you haven't played him and he recently got an overhaul that seems to have done him good, Tracer, Lucio, Zarya, and Genji all play very similarly to their Overwatch counterparts, and Varian is a "multiclass" character who chooses between three heroics each of which gives him both an active ability as well as passive adjustments which change what sort of role he fills (more tanky, more like a melee assassin, etc) mid-match.
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Apr 27, 2017 09:14
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HelixFox posted:I agree with this except on Tomb of the Spider Queen where the mercs suck (only three camps and they usually don't do much before getting cleared). Fish Eye can be good for keeping an eye on the turnin points, especially the bottom one where there are plenty of vents to hide the egg in. Everybody got excited about Egg Hunt when the rework was new, is that actually not any good then?
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Apr 27, 2017 19:34
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HelixFox posted:It's fun but doesn't really *do* anything, and it takes time to set the eggs up when you could be doing other things. I guess I'll experiment more with Fishy Deal then. So with bribe talents when should you be going off to cash then in? Do you break the "don't go for mercs before 10" guideline, save it til then, what?
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Apr 27, 2017 20:12
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Spudd posted:The difference between a good Zarya and a mediocre one is astounding Same as in Overwatch then.
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Apr 28, 2017 03:18
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On the one hand I now own so many heroes thanks to the megabundle plus assorted gold grinding that the chances of me getting a hero I don't have in a lootbox are vanishingly slim. On the other hand, that's more shards in the bank. The question is whether I want to spend all 1600 on an announcer or Azmodunk.
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Apr 28, 2017 07:07
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I remember getting a couple heroes for free doing some sort of promotional "recruit a friend thing" which by the way if anyone wants one https://battle.net/recruit/VQ2RK7RGHX there you go, which gets you Raynor, a stimpack, and at level 10 you get Sylvanas for free as well, and then I used like $20 in Amazon credit to buy some sort of pack with like a half dozen more, and then I guess the rest was just gold. So from the last Nexus challenge to now...and getting the megabundle has me at like 50-something, so apparently I bought quite a few with gold.
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After experimenting with a number of different warriors I think that to me Johanna is probably the quintessential tank. Like, there are tanks with better initiation abilities (Anub'arak) and there are tanks with better inherent crowd-control (Diablo, Muradin), and I suppose there are even tanks that are more resilient (Chen), but simply in terms of someone who creates an area around themselves and says that if you step into that zone you're gonna have a bad time, it feels like Johanna is the best at simply being this walking impediment to everything the enemy team might want to do.
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Apr 29, 2017 04:27
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Spudd posted:God I hate playing against Samuro, he's just unfun... so I guess that means he's good. Gustav posted:imo unranked shouldn't have bans and probably allow mirror picks too. The point should be to get two reasonably functional comps, not tryhard draft strategy stuff. I would also suggest drastically lowering the pick timer. You don't need 60 seconds to discuss hero picks in unranked, you find a role that's needed and pick a hero you want to play. Gonna go back a couple pages to say that what Gustav is suggesting is how I feel like quickmatch should work. No draft, no bans, mirror picks allowed, but you get to see the map in advance and more importantly teams get to maybe see what they're going up against so they can pick accordingly. Give everybody 60 seconds to select a hero and then go. Otherwise quickmatch is always going to have the "this character is unfun" dilemma where a character that's nothing out of the ordinary in a more constructed, competitive format winds up attracting a huge amount of bellyaching and bitching from the people in the loving-around end of the pool, like Valeera. I think it would be more productive for Blizzard to give the people who aren't necessarily interested in ladder climbing the opportunity to make some sort of educated counterpicks (oh, they're going Valeera/Nova, maybe I'll pick a hero with good detection) instead of trying to protect them from themselves with weird panic nerfs that make a character who was in a relatively balanced place suddenly worse without any tradeoff. Especially because there really isn't any end to the well of unfun, even if you nerf a character that's attracted a ton of outcry into the ground people will just find something else to pin their frustrations on.
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Spudd posted:Oi this is the first time I've bitched about him and I find him unfun since it's usually in QMs where I didn't pick someone with all the AoE in the world. If I'm Valla or, God help the Samuro, Tassadar then I don't mind him at all. Sorry, I wasn't really trying to call you out or anything, it just reminded me that the patchnotes for 2.0 literally gave "people found this hero unfun" as the reasoning behing the Valeera nerf and I went from there. And like you said, how unfun characters are can be a product of the hero(s) that your team is bringing to the table.
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Apr 29, 2017 05:24
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chumbler posted:To be fair, playing around Valeera is pretty unfun if you're not someone with an easy way to reveal her. And that's entirely valid, not to take away from anyone's frustration (lord knows this game frustrates me sometimes), but I think the better solution to that would be making quickmatch less of a random clusterfuck where you're rolling the dice without even an idea of what map you're going to play on let alone who you're going up against, give people the ability to exercise some semblance of planning or counterpicking even in the more casual mode. I know there's supposed to be some sort of matchmaking system that tries to deliver "balanced" teamcomps in quickmatch but apparently it isn't smart enough to do things like squaring of stealth heroes against characters with detection options.
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Apr 29, 2017 05:44
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Fellatio del Toro posted:You know there are already modes where you can counterpick the enemy team, right? You can just play those modes instead of loving up the one good one. Zaodai posted:People who want counterpicking literally want Draft mode. If you play blind pick, then you've willingly picked clown fiesta mode for fun, just like any MOBA. I actually think there's a satisfactory middle ground to be found between "clown fiesta" and "I want to sit through a full draft/ban with people preemptively getting tilted before the game even starts just to play the game," especially given that Blizzard apparently likes to balance things around clown fiesta mode instead of telling people to just play Draft.
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:Man, this is some serious gamer.txt Oh word?
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Apr 29, 2017 18:22
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Onean posted:Most of the actual tank Warriors have innate armor of some kind. It should show up in their trait in-game. If not, it definitely shows up on the stats menu which is C by default. This is a thing they started doing recently, isn't it? I vaguely recall reading that this was part of their attempt to differentiate the tanks more.
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Apr 30, 2017 00:14
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Fellatio del Toro posted:Getting a duplicate hero from a chest only gives 40 shards? lol I got 100 shards for a duplicate Illidan and 400 for a duplicate of someone else so I think the shard return is based on how expensive in terms of gold/gems the hero currently is.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:13
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Semper Fudge posted:The Valeera nerf was almost certainly because they didn't want to scare off new players I feel. Wouldn't be surprised if they revert it the minute the Overwatch events are done. Blizzard doesn't usually straight-up undo nerfs and/or buffs if Overwatch is any indication, they may buff her again later but it'll be by giving her a new level 20 talent and making other adjustments meant to compensate for the damage nerf.
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Apr 30, 2017 06:03
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Zaodai posted:Valeera runs in to the same issues Rengar always does in League. If his damage (or ratios) are high enough to be meaningful, he becomes an unstoppable cruise missile that is eliminating at least one person from the game. Riot keeps making burst champions, then deciding "burst has no counterplay" and nerfing them. Add in a stealth mechanic and it is always going to be unpopular to the general I mean the entire point of my apparently "smug nerd" post wasn't even that stealth is fine git gud, it's that bursty stealth assassins are always going to rub people the wrong way in a mode where there's no such thing as counterpicking unless I guess you preemptively slampick Tassadar every time you QM, but Blizzard apparently keeps making them so 
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Zaodai posted:Yeah, basically. Stealth definitely exacerbates it though. I guess my point was that it is an issue in every MOBA, and they never really learn their lesson. So more likely, rather than buff Valeera back up, they'll make another burst assassin that is slightly different, that will murder people brutally, and then get nerfed. I feel like Valeera could have legs as a "stealth debuffer," which she kinda sorta is already...someone whose job is to gank people with stuns and silences to set them up to be killed but not 100-0ing them herself. Of course the question at that point is whether or not it's worthwhile to have an assassin on your team that's bad at doing damage, which is funnily enough the issue Blizzard ran into in Overwatch when they released Sombra. When it came out that Sombra would be a stealth character people were preemptively bemoaning the death of the game at the hands of unstoppable stealth assassins instagibbing everyone forever...until it turned out that Sombra was so bad at actually killing people that pretty much nobody at any level of play actually likes using her. Like you know how in HotS there's the idea of the stereotypical Nova player? That doesn't exist with Sombra, not at bronze, not at grandmaster, not anywhere, the allure of the game's only hero with invisibility isn't enough to make anyone want to play her in any serious capacity, and Blizzard has steadfastly avoided giving her any buffs that might actually make her better at doing the thing she's worst at so people just shrug and pick Tracer or Soldier 76 or something.
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Why doesn't the matchmaker just have Varian count as a warrior/tank/whatever? Seems weird that it doesn't.
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Gustav posted:Warrior/tank/whatever isn't a very well defined category I know that HotS lumps a bunch of characters into the "Warrior" role of which there are apparently informal subdivisions into things like tank, bruiser, probably something else I don't know, and it sounds like the problem is that Varian who can choose to be several different kinds of character, one of which is a tank, keeps throwing the qm matchmaker off so it puts him against teams without a tank of their own. Has Blizzard actually started recategorizing heroes as of 2.0? I remember that the megabundles had heroes listed with various classifications like ganker, marksman, bruiser, etc.
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Apr 30, 2017 23:20
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I get that HotS is a different sort of game than Overwatch but it still seems like "let's make a character that can't push lanes and can't contribute to objectives" still isn't really a great basis for a character to begin with.
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Apr 30, 2017 23:52
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1stGear posted:Nova is old as heck and from a time when Blizzard didn't really know what they were doing in regards to Hero development. Yeah I'm about to say, they did turn around and make Hanzo so apparently they learned nothing from the experience.
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May 1, 2017 00:26
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Well it's not the HotS chill thread now is it
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May 1, 2017 01:14
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Mind over Matter posted:Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. I've felt for a while now that making Explosive Round more easily accessible would be a good buff for Nova without running the dangers of turning her back into her old Gathering Power broken-style self. Whether that's on a talent tier, or a change to her level 1 kit, I don't know. But giving her some decent but not amazing wave clear would be a nice way of rounding her out I think. Change her trait from auto-cloak to some sort of variable ammunition ability that lets you switch between things like explosive rounds, slowing rounds, and maybe one other thing, and then put cloak as an activatable ability in place of Pinning Shot.
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Mind over Matter posted:I have seen one Nova ever who took and was good with Ghost Protocol. They were a terror, but they're not the norm. I know I'm poo poo with it. It would also help differentiate her further from Zeratul as right now they basically have the exact same trait. I think it works better for Zeratul because he's a melee assassin and wants to try and use stealth as a gap closer, while if you make Nova generally less of a blunted one-trick then she wouldn't need to lean as heavily on permanent cloak, if for no other reason than she has a gun.
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Yeah I have to admit that "got 4 common items, pay 250 gold to reroll for a guaranteed better result" is vastly superior to Overwatch's own lootbox system and I kind of hope they backport it.
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Mind over Matter posted:Oh, is quality promised to go up on an all common reroll? I hadn't heard anything about that. I've yet to have a single chest that I've rerolled out of 4 commons wind up with 4 commons again so either it's an impressive case of confirmation bias or the upgrade is guaranteed.
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