|
I said none of those things, so I'm not sure how to respond. I remarked that identity politics as a term is an attempt to make civil rights sound worse. They're literally the same thing.
|
#
?
Sep 3, 2017 23:57
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 28, 2024 00:06 |
|
|
And that's how alien Kurt Russell made love to the entire universe.
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 01:08
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:I said none of those things, so I'm not sure how to respond. I remarked that identity politics as a term is an attempt to make civil rights sound worse. They're literally the same thing. Well, again: exactly. You consider identity politics and civil rights the same thing, when the latter is a term for the appropriation and 'decaffeination' of what are typically left-wing, radical, egalitarian politics by liberal centrists. 'Civil Rights' implies the progressive struggle for social and economic equality, whereas identity politics largely/entirely omits the economic aspect. What you've voiced in your posts is exactly the definition of postpolitical biopolitics, which basically means maximizing security under liberalism. In the pop-culture sphere, the difference was dramatized in Rogue One - a film very similar to Guardians Of The Galaxy, but with an opposite message. The political radicals in the Rogue One crew have their work and sacrifice appropriated by liberals, then are erased from history. As a contrast, the self-pitying (and stridently apolitical) mercenaries of the Milano help the liberals to kill all the terrorists, then win a new car.
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 03:45
|
|
|
You shouldn't have indicted my politics and belittled my movie
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 04:36
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:They're literally the same thing. Well no, that's just an equivocation.
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 05:01
|
|
|
SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, again: exactly. You consider identity politics and civil rights the same thing, when the latter is a term for the appropriation and 'decaffeination' of what are typically left-wing, radical, egalitarian politics by liberal centrists. 'Civil Rights' implies the progressive struggle for social and economic equality, whereas identity politics largely/entirely omits the economic aspect. Here ya go folks. Nothing interesting to say but if you just bury your opponent with enough buzz words they'll just give up in frustration.
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 07:01
|
|
|
My boyfriend forced me to watch this movie about a week ago, and I gotta say I'm decidedly lukewarm on G2. The jokes where kinda grating during the first half of the movie, probably because they had so many of them that was pretty much the same thing ("witty" obnoxious dialogue, followed by Drax laughing and yelling the obvious punchline, or Groot being "cute") and everyone is pretty unlikeable and obnoxious. Once they land on Ego things improve, I think it's because the plot moves along and the jokes are more spaced out, which helps a lot cause their humor got really grating at this point. While I did dislike Drax's jokes in the first half of the movie, I did enjoy his interactions with mantis lady, and Starlords interaction with dad was neat as well. However, the parts with Rocket and that blue guy where terrible.So maudlin and predictable, and the way they try to make us feel sympathy for these very unlikable characters is incredibly transparent. Yeah, his mary poppins line was funny, but they tried to make me feel bad for a child trafficker and a sociopathic raccoon, by way of saying "these guys had a tragic childhood, feel bad for them! boohoo!". Also all the parts with Groot had me rolling my eyes because holy poo poo talk about running a joke into the loving ground. So in conclusion: Drax + Mantis was fun, Chris + Ego was fun and touching, Garona was just there, her sister was cool though, racoon + blue man was terrible and bad, and Groot is so loving overexposed I hope I never loving see him again. Half this movie was good, half this movie was terrible, which is a step down from the last movie where it was mostly good with some problematic ideas in regards to its heroes. That's my hot take, thank you and god bless
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 11:01
|
|
|
SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, again: exactly. You consider identity politics and civil rights the same thing, when the latter is a term for the appropriation and 'decaffeination' of what are typically left-wing, radical, egalitarian politics by liberal centrists. 'Civil Rights' implies the progressive struggle for social and economic equality, whereas identity politics largely/entirely omits the economic aspect. I like that reading of rogue one a lot and think it fits pretty square . It salvaged the ending for me .
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 18:06
|
|
|
McCloud posted:However, the parts with Rocket and that blue guy where terrible.So maudlin and predictable, and the way they try to make us feel sympathy for these very unlikable characters is incredibly transparent. Yeah, his mary poppins line was funny, but they tried to make me feel bad for a child trafficker and a sociopathic raccoon, by way of saying "these guys had a tragic childhood, feel bad for them! boohoo!" Clearly didn't have a child trafficking blue dad.
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 18:26
|
|
|
Super Fan posted:Here ya go folks. Nothing interesting to say but if you just bury your opponent with enough buzz words they'll just give up in frustration. Egalitarianism is a term from the 1800s. Ideology is 1800s, popularized early 1900s. Biopolitics is from 1905. Etc. 'Toxic Masculinity' is a recent perjorative rewording of 'hegemonic masculinity' (a term from 1987), that omits/erases the concept of hegemony for some reason. The first hit on Google is the Geek Feminism Wiki, discussing videogame protagonists. Google Trends says it exploded in popularity around 2015. I haven't been able to find a source from earlier than 2014.
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 19:58
|
|
|
HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Well no, that's just an equivocation. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Egalitarianism is a term from the 1800s.
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 20:29
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:Congrats on falling for the latest bullshit republican reframing. Next, would you care to tell me all about about virtue signaling and cultural marxism? How are identity politics and civil rights describing the same thing?
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 20:33
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:Ok, so new, better descriptors of existing phenomena are only valid if they're old. Got it. 1) SuperFan was complaining about buzzwords. Concepts that have been in use for over a hundred years are not buzzwords, by definition. 2) When you modify political terms to render them vague and apolitical (so that you are no longer talking about hegemony but instead about videogame trope, for example) that does make the terms less valid. The basic implication of using 'toxic masculinity' instead of 'hegemonic masculinity' is that you no longer believe patriarchy is hegemonic.
|
|
#
?
Sep 4, 2017 22:02
|
|
|
effortlessly and with ballerina grace I pirouette and - in a single, fluid motion- strip my sociologist costume to reveal my guise as Cletus the Hillbilly, jeering YEW CAN'T FOOL ME WITH THEM FANCY rear end COLLEGE WORDS BOY
|
|
#
?
Sep 5, 2017 04:33
|
|
|
HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:How are identity politics and civil rights describing the same thing? It's the same bullshit that was thrown at pro-Civil Rights people in the 60s to suppress dissent with a new coat of paint, because that's how people do.
|
|
#
?
Sep 6, 2017 17:18
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:Because when I say I shouldn't be murdered for being queer, people tell me to stop talking about identity politics. We understand that you are living in fear, but that does not make what you are saying correct. This biopolitics, an apolitical 'politics of fear', is perfectly in line with the liberal status quo.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 01:12
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 01:19
|
|
|
See, that's how you make a thread all about MEEEEEE.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 01:37
|
|
|
Dave Bautista's shtick in this movie is really easy but it still got me about 85% of the time. The Groot doesn't know what a fin is also got me. Taserface was pretty weak though.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 02:37
|
|
|
Taserface slayed my teenage daughters. But then, they are teenagers.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 03:51
|
|
|
Your daughters are clearly unfamiliar with the tenets of Marxist literary theory then.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 04:04
|
|
|
Taserface sounds like the name of a forgotten 80's slasher villain, but maybe one who didn't quite understand he was supposed to kill all of the teens.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 04:05
|
|
|
porfiria posted:Your daughters are clearly unfamiliar with the tenets of Marxist literary theory then. And how!
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 04:13
|
|
|
I like toxic masculinity because it's a middle class concept that basically demands a blanket condemnation of the working classes. Case in point, the group representing "toxic masculinity" is Yondu's crew, a bunch of proletarian freaks who all die in favour of the self-pitying ones.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 05:42
|
|
|
I'm not sure if the Ravagers are proletariat, unless pirates count as part of that. Piratariat.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 06:12
|
|
|
I guess part of the reason CineD is lost on me sometimes is that I'm a middle class reactionary.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 07:25
|
|
|
If I wasn't still kinda hungover I'd be trying to come up with more Marxist pirate jokes. Maybe I need to consult C-SPAM.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 08:04
|
|
|
BravestOfTheLamps posted:I like toxic masculinity because it's a middle class concept that basically demands a blanket condemnation of the working classes. It's amazing how many things you're wrong about while still being really boring.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 08:15
|
|
|
BravestOfTheLamps posted:I like toxic masculinity because it's a middle class concept that basically demands a blanket condemnation of the working classes. Follow suit.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 08:24
|
|
|
The whole Taserface bit came off like something out of a UK sitcom. Rocket laughing at it so much kind of killed the joke though.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 08:29
|
|
|
I like people clowning on delusional idiots so that part made me laugh.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 08:40
|
|
|
I feel like to make the Taserface joke work you just need to push it more, make it even sillier, although I guess they're trying to walk the line of this guy maybe plausibly thinking the name sounds cool. Edit: Maybe get around that by having "poopoohead" mean awesome warrior on Kranglac VI or whatever. Hire me James Gunn.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 09:02
|
|
|
I expected he had some alien power to shoot electricity from his face or something.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 09:06
|
|
|
Snowman_McK posted:It's amazing how many things you're wrong about while still being really boring. You can simply point out what you think is wrong. Inescapable Duck posted:I'm not sure if the Ravagers are proletariat, unless pirates count as part of that. Piratariat. What social class do you think pirate crews come from?
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 09:59
|
|
|
porfiria posted:I feel like to make the Taserface joke work you just need to push it more, make it even sillier, although I guess they're trying to walk the line of this guy maybe plausibly thinking the name sounds cool. "Taserface" was chosen because he's an actual character from a Marvel comic from the 60's or 70's.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 12:26
|
|
|
Inescapable Duck posted:I expected he had some alien power to shoot electricity from his face or something. It's metaphorical.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 14:20
|
|
|
porfiria posted:I guess part of the reason CineD is lost on me sometimes is that I'm a middle class reactionary. Ask your doctor about this.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 16:15
|
|
|
BravestOfTheLamps posted:I like toxic masculinity because it's a middle class concept that basically demands a blanket condemnation of the working classes. No argument about the IRL function of "toxic masculinity" but thieves and kidnappers are lumpenproles; they produce no value with their labor and marxists as a rule aren't big fans. Their machismo is that of the thug, it doesn't distinguish them as blue-collar. GOTG is a fantasy of a world without a working class; nothing is ever made except garbage bombs, the only jobs that exist are "cop" and "corpse scavenger", economics and commerce are effectively erased; the galaxy simply passively exists to be blown up by children. Hell, Ego is a straight-up god who can simply will anything he imagines into existence, and uses this power to create... a couple balls and a fake shrine to his dead ex-girlfriend to scam a guy A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Sep 7, 2017 |
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 16:32
|
|
|
A Wizard of Goatse posted:No argument about the IRL function of "toxic masculinity" but thieves and kidnappers are lumpenproles; they produce no value with their labor and marxists as a rule aren't big fans. Their machismo is that of the thug, it doesn't distinguish them as blue-collar. GOTG is a fantasy of a world without a working class; nothing is ever made except garbage bombs It's really a "by default" thing.
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 16:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 28, 2024 00:06 |
|
|
A Wizard of Goatse posted:thieves and kidnappers are lumpenproles; they produce no value with their labor and marxists as a rule aren't big fans. Yeah... they don't like the competition 
|
|
#
?
Sep 7, 2017 17:13
|
|