UKMT May 2017: Weak and Wobbly vs. Old and Knobbly

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JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

sassassin posted:

That's racist and sexist.

Joking about murdering anyone is v. funny

what about joking about murdering pissflaps' imaginary family?

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# ¿ May 5, 2017 14:58

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 08:13

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

spectralent posted:

It's bizarre how many seats the tories are winning with a small increase in vote share. I guess this is 30% labour vs 20% tory and 20% ukip turning into 40% tory.

first past the post is fun

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:21

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Coohoolin posted:

Actually it's because 2014 Labour's neoliberalism allied itself with the Tories and because Unionism is an inherently conservative position, making the Tories the de facto party of the Union. It's not a credit to the Tories, it's a credit to the polarisation of constitutional debate and Scotland that will not stop until independence is achieved.

i think an indepedent scotchland will have a conservative party and also be full of cunts

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:21

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Skinty McEdger posted:

Please don't force Coohoolin to defend our honour on our behalf again.

Coohoolin is just following in his ancestors footsteps of being a swiss mercenary getting involved in other people's fights

JFairfax fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 5, 2017

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:26

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYgE7O0OLyw

britain deserves everything its getting

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:34

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

jBrereton posted:

This is the exact opposite of what I think.

What I do think is that Labour, whose role is to protect vulnerable people and create a fairer future for everyone, are on course to lose what parliamentary representation they have largely because Corbyn, who many of them like, is staggeringly unpopular with the majority of voters. And as we have seen in the thread, many of his biggest fans will flatly deny that is the case, or blame the public for not getting it, and I'm sure many will vote in the no doubt upcoming leadership election to back "their man", despite the fact that he is completely unable to deliver what they need in a very real sense, which is a Labour government.

This is a big shame. And I wish it wasn't the case. And I'm not trying to be a oval office about it, and I'm sorry if I came off that way.

Corbyn is just incapable. I wanted him to be great, but he is very poor at handling the media, he has not been a good or persuasive leader of his own party, and the reason that he does so badly in the polls is because he is bad at his job. I mean the current government is so incredibly inept that it beggars belief. The PM is a moron. The Brexit secretary is workshy. But there is no coherent, optimistic, well-delivered counternarrative to "Trust in Tess", and his shadow cabinet is a joke.

the PLP were briefing against him from the moment the leadership election results were announced

imagine if we had two years of supportive Parliamentary LAbour Party going into these elections

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:41

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

I entirely blame the PLP for being scumbags and undermining Corbyn consistently through his leadership, he never had a fair crack at it and he is too good for the idiotic British people.

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:47

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

jBrereton posted:

I think there are limits to how much a supportive PLP would have helped a guy who doesn't think the media is worthy of his time. He didn't have the same established persona as say Trump which helped him manipulate the media by being so against them, he's more like Scargill in that he refuses to play their game in a way they think is petty rather than some kind of four dimensional chess thing.

I think the second leadership election was a disaster of epic proportions, definitely, but his performance since then despite multiple attempted relaunches and the inevitable policy roll-backs on his most provocative and/or interesting things has just been a shitshow.

they're loving scumbags and the 2nd leadership election torpedoed any chance of this general election

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:51

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

she sounds forriegn

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:53

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

scum, subhuman scum

# ¿ May 5, 2017 15:55

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

mediadave posted:

If Corbyn doesn't resign immediately after the General Election I think the party will split.

what if labour win?

# ¿ May 5, 2017 16:00

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Shoppers said they were left in shock after realising they had walked past the body of a man � without realising he had died.

The man in his 50s was found dead on Merchant Street in Broadmead outside Optical Express at around 10.15am on a busy day in Bristol city centre.

A blanket was used to cover up the man, who is understood to be homeless, before emergency services got there.

It is understood the man, whose belongings were left scattered around the scene, had previously slept in the doorway.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/shoppers-shocked-homeless-man-died-45823

lol the tories are having people die in the streets and idiot brits are like 'oooh I dont know if I like the nice jam man'

# ¿ May 5, 2017 16:02

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Jose posted:

remember when they were contemplating trying to leave the party and keep the name labour lol

it's this sort of visionary leadership that britain is crying out for.

fuckign idiots

# ¿ May 5, 2017 16:04

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Ewan posted:

I don't really get what this means. What does it mean by their "2nd preference has gone to...X" ?

lol u loving idiot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhAr_UeroCk

# ¿ May 5, 2017 16:05

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

El Grillo posted:

It's incredibly hard to see how that could have improved Corbyn's actual personal performance, which was always going to be important seeing as he was meant to be, you know, PM material. He has proved beyond any doubt that he was never, and could never be, capable of doing the job right. Old dog, new tricks, etc.

He's also been surrounded by a tightly closed-in clique of people who are apparently as politically useless as he is (except for McDonnell). There was a fair chunk of the PLP who were willing to give it a shot at first. There have been tons of explanations as to why they subsequently gave up, mainly to do with the leadership's total lack of competence, coordination and communication with them.

You can't have the leadership and then blame the massive public destruction of your party on a few Blairites. We needed the leadership to bring the rest of the PLP on board, making the necessary and sane compromises on things like Trident to do so, and most of all we needed them to have some kind of media strategy that actually does what people voted for him to do - combat the economic bollocks that has been spewing out of the Tory party (and the labour right) for 6 years.
They have totally failed. It sucks, but they have. And it wasn't inevitable.

You are deluded I'm afraid. Most of the PLP weren't briefing against him, most of them were willing to give him a chance and a small blairite wing were trying to publicly undermine him. He loving failed. I don't see how this is so hard for people to get into their heads, given that surely none of us ever expected him to be a brilliant leader in the first place - he was entirely lacking in any kind of relevant experience?

Going to be interesting to see who stands. Seems like Corbyn won't go until they get a new measure through PLP to lower the nominations bar though? Do we know how long that might take?

lol yeah let's have a leadership contest a year in you loving scumbags

gently caress off, you tory piece of poo poo

# ¿ May 5, 2017 16:11

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Ewan posted:

So as in most people that voted Libs or Green 1st preference chose the Tory as their 2nd choice?

yup, because british people are loving scumbags and deserve to be cut adrift into the atlantic to survive off the bodies of paupers and badly fried potatoes

# ¿ May 5, 2017 16:11

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

I don't want an ex soldier running the country

# ¿ May 5, 2017 19:47

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

hakimashou posted:

Jonathan Freedland has a very good piece in the Guardian about what's going on:

"Blaming others won�t do. Instead, how refreshing it would be, just this once, if Corbyn and McDonnell put their hands up and took even a small measure of responsibility for this calamitous result. Instead of always playing the besieged victim, they could accept that, as Enoch Powell once observed, a politician complaining about the press is as absurd as a sailor complaining about the sea. Navigating a way through is simply what they have to do.

It would mean admitting that they have failed to deliver what they promised. They said they would win back Scotland, energise the Labour base, galvanise non-voters, lure back Ukip defectors and pull in Greens � and not one of those things has happened. Yet in the face of all this, they dig in and cling on, refusing to budge.

Why are they so stubborn? It can�t be a tenacious commitment to socialism. Corbyn and McDonnell�s programme includes nothing remotely as leftwing as, say, the �5bn windfall tax on the utilities promised, and implemented, 20 years ago by the supposed �evil neoliberal� Tony Blair.

Having finally won control of the Labour party after three decades of Stakhanovite effort, what radical programme have these great revolutionaries pledged to the nation? Four extra bank holidays.

The good news for Labour is that what I saw in the focus groups were people unimpressed by the Tories, desperate for an opposition and itching to vote Labour again if only Corbyn would get out of the way. It suggests a new leader could take the fight to Theresa May very rapidly. The bad news is that once people have broken a lifelong Labour habit � and shattered a taboo by voting Tory � they may never come back.""

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/05/jeremy-corbyn-blame-meltdown-labour-leader

Lol yes Enoch Powell had some good ideas and was a nice lad who meant well

# ¿ May 6, 2017 06:11

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Regarde Aduck posted:

It's as bad as those who think that the lurch to the right by all levels of society is an issue entirely down to one man. A sacrificial lamb who once slaughtered will bring us back to the 'moderate' centre 'non-loony' ground.

it is all down to Tony Blair and his participation in a religious war which has defined the last 15 years

# ¿ May 6, 2017 13:19

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Ewan posted:

You missed one, possibly the most important. Their policies might be good, but it's no good if they're so incompetent they can't implement them without loving up. That is the perception most people have - and frankly you can't say it's not true because there is no evidence (equally you can't say it is true either).

the thing people seem to forget is that it isn't really the politicians who implement policies, it's the loving civil service.

ALSO

the tories are loving poo poo at implementing policies as well - see Ian Duncan Smith's colossal gently caress up of the universal tax credits system

# ¿ May 6, 2017 13:24

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Guavanaut posted:

His deep suspicion on the home front that ordinary working people, especially brown ones, might be up to something also put a lot of people off him. Maybe more than the war.

yup, and that suspicion but also the huge war against Islam has made people in the UK more right wing, more racist and more jingoistic.

# ¿ May 6, 2017 13:36

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Theresa May should get in the bin

# ¿ May 9, 2017 22:51

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

I think yeovil and froome have had house prices rise significantly because it's technically possible to commute to london from them on the train line if my sources are correct

# ¿ May 10, 2017 21:56

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

I would definitely have voted at 16 and I think it's a good idea

# ¿ May 11, 2017 21:06

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Paperhouse posted:

I went to a Labour youth meeting a few weeks ago and most of the members there weren't even old enough to vote, but they clearly knew what they were talking about and what they believed in. If I was 16 I'd probably be pretty insulted at a ~psychologist~ claiming that my babby brain was too stupid to vote. I mean we literally let people with mental disabilities vote

YEah I mean pissflaps is allowed to vote after all

And yes I was what I would consider a well informed teenager and a lot of my friends were, at 16 I was studying politics for a-level and history as well.

# ¿ May 11, 2017 21:33

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Oberleutnant posted:

I wish bozza would come and make an effort post about British Rail where are you bozza

Tragic marching band accident

# ¿ May 11, 2017 21:51

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

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# ¿ May 12, 2017 05:24

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1l1XGiXgo0

# ¿ May 12, 2017 14:38

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Also look at the difference between North Sea Oil and what the British Govt did with that and what the Norwegians did with their oil money, started a Sovereign Wealth Fund instead of letting shareholders of private companies extract all the profits.

# ¿ May 12, 2017 14:49

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Evil_Urna posted:

Wee bit bigoted. Stop invalidating catholic culture. That is very anglo centric of you.

Unlike anime fans and Catholics I don't think loving kids is a valid cultural choice

# ¿ May 18, 2017 05:27

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Bape Culture posted:

Can't believe you guys are against inheritance tbh. It's the last way of giving your kids something tangible and useful.
Most people will leave a 150 grand semi detached family home, not a bloody mansion or castle like it seems people think.
Now to go trick my dad into buying me an f40 as I assume cars are still free of taxes such as this!

lol where can you get a semi-detached home for 150k?

# ¿ May 18, 2017 19:20

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

So basically nowhere good then

# ¿ May 18, 2017 19:27

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Rolf Harris got released today

# ¿ May 19, 2017 16:24

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

mehall posted:

That's not what I asked.

pissflaps.txt

# ¿ May 19, 2017 16:29

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Kokoro Wish posted:

Pissflaps fails to understand easily understandable thing. Shocker.

Since then Labour managed to put out their policy outlines in a format understandable by all, including the deaf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efQo4LbXO6c

pissflaps needs the translation for the dumb

# ¿ May 20, 2017 04:48

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

https://www.facebook.com/id.co/videos/10155711612921874

Grime star Jme and Labour don Jeremy Corbyn talk about the importance of a high youth turnout in this election.

# ¿ May 20, 2017 17:07