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Praseodymi posted:I'm guessing you quoted the headline rather than just quoting Kier Starmer because this is the article where he correctly stated that freedom of movement would end if we left the single market, and didn't actually lay out any policy? http://press.labour.org.uk/post/159971207604/keir-starmer-speech-on-labours-approach-to-brexit He says they recognise immigration rules will have to change after Brexit. The current immigration rules are free movement of EU citizens. Ergo these will have to change to something other than free movement of EU citizens. Later on it talks about membership of a "reformed" single market, ie one without freedom of movement. If that's impossible (hint: it is) then they will leave the single market and seek some sort of deal. The single market without freedom of movement is literally Johnson's "have your cake and eat it" policy. The EU has said repeatedly it is not a deal that's on offer. If you take this speech seriously, Labour's Brexit policy is "we'll stay in the single market by inventing a faster-than-light spaceship and figuring out how to divide be zero. If FOR SOME INEXPLICABLE REASON this SENSIBLE PLAN doesn't work then I guess we'll have to leave."
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It's also with remembering that Vote Leave repeatedly described leaving the single market as "mad" and something "no-one is taking about" so both Labour and the Tories are now more hardcore Brexiteers than the official Brexit campaign was during campaigning. Were Vote Leave full of poo poo? Yes. But everyone has just meekly accepted their massive bait and switch and hard Brexit is where both parties will take us.
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Cerebral Bore posted:EDIT: And besides that he spends like half the speech highlighting that retaining access to the single market is the number one priority. Labour have a structural Brexit problem because the richer, younger, metropolitan half of their supporters think it's stupid while the poorer, older, more provincial half think it's a good idea. This is an attempt to paper over the cracks with ambiguous statements and pedantry and undeliverable promises designed to mollify both sides, but the logic points straight at a hard Brexit.
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May 28, 2017 10:54
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Election book Put me down for CON: 342 LAB: 221 LD: 8 Other: 79 With the charity being "your nearest food bank." edit: I can't add Zephro fucked around with this message at 15:53 on May 28, 2017 |
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Zephro posted:Put me down for CON: 346 LAB: 224 LD: 5 OTHER: 75 Those numbers may look different but let me be very clear: nothing has changed. NOTHING HAS CHANGED
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May 28, 2017 16:02
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/28/merkel-says-eu-cannot-completely-rely-on-us-and-britain-any-more-g7-talksquote:Europe can no longer completely rely on its traditional British and American allies, Angela Merkel has warned, saying the EU must now be prepared to “take its fate into its own hands”.
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Pochoclo posted:The electorate would definitely vote for the Chaos Gods from Warhammer 40K, because sure, they will bring untold suffering into our physical realm, but they "tell it like it is" Zephro fucked around with this message at 23:38 on May 28, 2017 |
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https://www.ft.com/content/4ebc8f1e-43c0-11e7-8d27-59b4dd6296b8quote:Polls, including YouGov, that show narrower Conservative leads are those that assign probabilities of voting based wholly or primarily on a respondent’s self-reported likelihood of casting a ballot, meaning that young people make up a far bigger proportion of the likely vote than they have historically. Maybe this time... this time will be different 
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Pesmerga posted:But where would I lift weights in order to be swole for Jeremy's communist revolution that I've been promised is coming?
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serious gaylord posted:The media are turning on Paxman because he tore apart their darling Mrs May and jeopardised Leveson 2 being struck down.
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May 30, 2017 09:28
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ronya posted:british chinese outnumber british jews by nearly 2:1
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May 30, 2017 11:30
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Oberleutnant posted:Chinese communities in Britain seeeeeeeeem to conform to all the stereotypes of non-integration and non-assimilation that the right vomits at Middle Eastern and South Asian communities in this country, and it's weird because nobody cares or feels threatened by the existence of entire chinatowns with dual-language street signage, and non-english storefronts, and entire streets full of people who aren't white or speaking english.
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May 30, 2017 13:36
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Oberleutnant posted:Her opinion (and she said that this is shared by a lot of her spanish mates in the uk) is that we Britons are a pathologically insincere and emotionally stunted people, that we're incapable of being open or honest for fear of judgement by people around us, and that this applies even to ourselves and our loved ones so how the gently caress are we going to be honest with pollsters. edit: at least for the middle classes
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May 30, 2017 16:54
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Of course that's the case. That's why they have those minimum income rules too. It stops The Poors getting in legally, so they can just be rounded up and deported instead.
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Broken Cog posted:Anyone got any good articles on what a weak Tory showing in the GE could mean for the Brexit negotiations?
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May 31, 2017 15:58
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Boris will be PM by the middle of June because that would keep us on the darkest timeline
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Not Operator posted:Did May give a reason for no-showing? Her earlier snipe against Corbyn made it sound like she was planning to sit in a dark room for an hour to calculate the many facets of brexit like a loving current day mentat, but I somehow doubt that's it.
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