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Igiari posted:These are pretty good measurements, though? Our economy has recovered in a macro sense since the 2008 crisis, but people are generally in less secure jobs working for the same or lower pay while prices increase. That's not good and it's a large part of why I think the stories are poor stewards of the nation. Recovered as in "growing at the same rate". Not as in "back where it would be if the recession hadn't happened", the usual result of recovery. Anyway lads, I'm off to help out with my local CLP.
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Oberleutnant posted:If people aren't voting in their best interests the best hing you can do, rather than talking about them being stupid ignorant racist cunts on the internet, is try to get involved in some grass roots activism and show your principles by example and hope to win people over. Some woman today: "I don't want to vote Labour because Labour make it so you get more benefits than you do working, and I think that's wrong." Also that woman today: "I'm going to have plenty of time for voting soon at least, I'm being made redundant." jBrereton posted:End of the day you had Chaka Umunna talking sense about this last night on C4 news, and if the party is failing to deal with the press, that is a failure of the party apparatus. I haven't heard about this at all but Teresa May being a mentalist has been all over the papers. The papers are fundamentally right-wing, and Blair only got around that by offering loads of concessions to Murdoch.
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Guavanaut posted:Has that ever been true? I guess it might be for single parents with a dozen children, but wasn't there a thing that showed that the number of those cases in the entire country was countable on both hands? Said woman provided the answer here, too: "You watch all these programs like benefit street..." In short, yeah, these cases are astonishingly rare, but they're always the example cases that're showcased in national media and TV programs, so they're the cases everyone thinks of as "the typical benefits case". quote:Or for people who are too disabled/terminally ill to work, but gently caress people who are against them having independence. I'd fully agree but I was doing the admin stuff for my runner.
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hand-fed baby bird posted:Polling station was abandoned when I voted. We watched maybe 5 people show up over an hour, all of them either old or personal friends of our candidate. Turnout was 34% last time, so I daresay it might be lower.
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May 4, 2017 22:43
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MikeCrotch posted:Turnout is likely to depressed anyway due to the number of elections there have been recently & are upcoming. It was only 38% last time around for the locals, it was looking pretty poor round my area which isn't a great sign for Labour. Plus it's meant local parties are broke as gently caress. They've had to deal with the 2015 election and the 2016 campaign for brexit and were in the middle of local elections campaigns and now there's a general.
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May 4, 2017 22:53
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May 4, 2017 23:21
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jabby posted:Question Time rocks this week, who's been stacking the audience with Corbyn fans? Question time is good???
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May 4, 2017 23:48
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Wasn't expecting to see a labour gain there, but the amount of labour-tory flips already is going to drive me to drink if I'm not careful. I might just stick to campaigning and stop looking at round-by-round polling data. EDIT: God, looking at the polls spreadsheet the tories appear to be gaining equally from Labour, the Lib Dems, and Plaid. Who the gently caress is voting for these goddamn lunatics? spectralent fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 5, 2017 |
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"I've voted for some kind of progressive cause all my life but today I decided to give right-wing authoritarianism a crack" The depressing thing of course being that I'm joking but I can 100% see that with a "and look where that's got me" in the middle for a lot of left-behinds. spectralent fucked around with this message at 00:43 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 00:39
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Namtab posted:Old people aka the type of person most likely to a) vote in elections b)vote conservative c) vote in local elections with a general election 4 weeks away Yeah, you're probably right. This is big % gains with big turnout drops, so that makes a lot of sense. Everyone's stayed at home except the tories.
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May 5, 2017 00:56
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God yeah. Corbyn's hardly the most socialist person ever. The important things are being anti-austerity and (by extension, if you will) pro-investment. Don't be fooled that just because Owen was shite anyone who stands against Corbyn must also be. Hell, gently caress it, if we're at a point where we've got multiple members of Labour's left standing in elections rather than getting a token pity spot, I'd say that's a pretty loving big win.
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May 5, 2017 01:07
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jBrereton posted:*in incredibly nuanced voice* it is partly, in fact quite a lot, Jezza, but not 100% him. Owen Smith* is of course sweeping back to near 100% of the vote right now with his massive dick and incredible personal charisma. *I literally forgot his surname, what a character.
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One of the nice things about impending disaster is I'm noticing a lot more centrist-types going "Okay so YES the policy is good, we can focus specifically on the jam man here, we all want* a decent minimum wage and well-funded public services and an end to cuts but we don't want that to come out of Jeremy's mouth". And, to be fair, I'm not sure I want stuff out of Jeremy's mouth either, because he's great at getting mad at people in debates but nobody watches those, so someone who can do the Jeremy-policy thing but with soundbites would be nice. *as of five minutes ago when we realised there was an election.
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Incidentally I had always thought your name seemed familiar and assumed it was some anime thing I'd forgotten until the other day when I was wearing a batman T-shirt and checked myself over in a mirror. Then I was suddenly like "Oh, namtab."
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May 5, 2017 01:50
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TomViolence posted:holy poo poo I'm a very smart man with keen powers of observation.
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May 5, 2017 01:55
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Namtab posted:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o68ZFF5W3PM I don't know if I'm exhausted and sleep deprived or if this is genuinely hilarious but either way thank you for making this.
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Namtab posted:It was .jpg that made it Probably pushing it more towards the former category but still.
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May 5, 2017 02:02
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My name is also in two parts in case that was unclear. I apologise for any personal confusion that might have causeed in the past and hope we can put it behind us, as a thread.
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serious gaylord posted:The GE is going to be a massacre. Almost certainly but I really hope people actually turn up to the GE. It looks like in the locals basically only tories did. Turnout is low even on top of the usual lowness of locals. We're proper hosed if the proportion of swing is roughly the same in people who didn't show up though but I doubt it.
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May 5, 2017 08:57
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Breath Ray posted:The vote to leave the EU seems like a vote for change! Yeah I was gonna say. When offered a choice between "familiar stability" and "a plunge into the unknown everyone says is bad but will probably have less muslims", people went with the second one. A lot of people in this country actively want bad things to happen.
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May 5, 2017 10:26
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Brian Cox, Prime Minister would be something to see. I have no idea what his policies are but it'd be nice to have someone not completely scientifically illiterate running things for a change.Alchenar posted:That's because for the most part they're Miliband's policies given a gloss of red paint. Miliband was also totally willing to throw migrants under a bus though. The fact Corbyn wasn't is good (and the fact that anyone who isn't might be hosed is a damning verdict on the country).
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May 5, 2017 10:34
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It's bizarre how many seats the tories are winning with a small increase in vote share. I guess this is 30% labour vs 20% tory and 20% ukip turning into 40% tory.
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May 5, 2017 15:20
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Darth Walrus posted:She at least seemed able to talk that lady down. She seemed unable to articulate any point other than "We want to support people with mental health problems and give them the help they need", which, looking at how the NHS getting the support it needs, the armed forces getting the support it needs and community care getting the support it needs worked out, should be alarming.
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My legs are slowly turning into jelly from walking up all these loving hills but down here things are looking really close. Would be nice to be a success story. I am slowly losing faith with the electorate, though.
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Getting people to invade the middle east again is the stated goal of IS's apocalypse-cult agenda.
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May 23, 2017 01:39
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I love how we have 24 hour minute-by-minute news and the BBC has only just noticed JC tweeted a thoughts-and-prayers two hours ago. I thought every irrelevant scrap of info was meant to be being pored over?
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May 23, 2017 01:48
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LemonDrizzle posted:Yes - crazy person does crazy thing with no underlying ideological cause, like that guy who tried to assassinate Reagan because he thought that'd win Jodie Foster's heart. I think these days it'd be classed as terrorism. Unless he's white I guess in which case you can assassinate someone in broad daylight and just be a bit of a funny sort so I guess you're right.
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May 23, 2017 01:54
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TTerrible posted:people are absolutely desperate for it to not be a bomb and I don't get it. If it's a bomb it's the beginning of a thousand-year tory reich. Well, if it's a bomb from an arab, asian or black person, or someone affiliated with ireland in any way. The only way it isn't is if it's a british nationalist (doubtful, they must realise they're getting everything they want at this point) or a lone nutjob who really hates teen pop or something.
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Welp, guess it's all out now. Condolences to people affected, as usual. I was going to suggestion any crisis that causes campaigning to end should probably postpone elections, but that's probably pretty abuseable. Either way, this is a tragedy on multiple levels.
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There's some study that got done that shows that terrorists commit suicide for basically the same reason most people do, just they get exploited by radicals in the process.
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I feel like I'm getting depressingly used to shock stories about terrorism, too. It's only been a bit since the car attack, and before that the last attacks in sweden and france, and I've seen the ghoulish "we saw people bleeding and screaming, here's some photos of carnage, here's an interview with a confused terrified person who's worried they've just lost their family" thing too many times. It's not like there's an enormous need to give us live minute-by-minute numbers of people dying, either; 400 people died of cardiovascular disease yesterday, and five people died in car accidents. The press just wants a hot angle to play on people's fears and anxieties and does so in the most vulture-like fashion imaginable.
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OwlFancier posted:Considering that the UK is at a substantial low in terror attacks since the northern Ireland peace agreement, I'm surprised more people aren't numb to it to be honest. It's been much worse for much longer. I think people have totally forgotten about it, to be honest. At the very least nobody seems to think it's relevant today given how cavalierly people have been treating the Irish issues in brexit. TomViolence posted:I blame media saturation. From 71-98 we didn't have nearly the level of media coverage for things we have now. The constant numbing repetition of each attack combined with the shallow emotionalism of a media desperate to get and keep your attention plus the exploitative coaxing of raw trauma and the relentless, well-meaning but nonetheless largely perfunctory and performative outpourings of grief would knacker anyone. This is probably a big part of it. Like, for today, I was just taking "condolences to the victims" as read. It's just vaguely exhausting having to be Most Sad about something every month. Pochoclo posted:The thing with terrorism is that something in your brain starts thinking "this could happen to me". I've thought once or twice about it, riding the London Underground. Imagine the amount of destruction a coordinated strike with suicide bombers would do there, and there's no way to stop it. But it's important not to live in fear. I have an anxiety disorder so I'm not the best person to talk to but I honestly feel like it's because the press keep talking about it rather than the press talk about it because it makes you anxious. The press constantly talk about the dangers of terrorism and knife crime, despite the fact I'm statistically far more likely to die from getting in a car every day. I don't have a huge bubble constantly talking about car deaths, though, so it's not on the back of my mind and my anxiety remains safely placid.
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Oberleutnant posted:There's something ludicrous and surreal in the way that people hundreds and thousands of miles away can get this incredibly intimate insight into these horrendous events, but are still utterly divorced from them. Yeah, that's possibly it. Like, when the France attack happened I was really shocked, but there was a lingering feeling of "But we're not in France". Now I'm feeling like "But I'm not in Manchester", too. There's this weird mix of anxiety and alienation, like I'm simultaneously anxious about being bombed while I'm trying to rationally remind myself I'm actually miles away from anything, and it all comes out kind of numb. I dunno. I'm probably just trying to process this mess before the office gets back to me to say if I'm coming in today.
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I mean it's possible the entire world just really wants to know how Ariana Grande feels, in particular, but the front page of the beeb at the moment contains four non-related stories before the general election break, in smaller font by the side. Conversely the manchester attack has 22, including the first three entries on the list the other four are buried on. You would have to be actively looking to notice that there's other news today.
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The top 5 most watched at least has a story about a comedian who met trump, which... I guess that's at least not part of the unending torrent of misery.Oberleutnant posted:Like seriously "here's what trump says", "what does ariana grande think?", "let's look at the locals", and on and on and on and on. It's dizzying and saddening somehow. And of course people are reading it because it's there, but…. Why? Obviously because people will read it, but it all seems unnecessary and squalid. I don't know. You could easily have the massive top splash with a dropdown menu of things to pick include all that stuff and leave the space under the header for other news. It's just vulturelike.
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forkboy84 posted:Big question. Going to guess she's not come out with anything as stupid as the bloke from Eagles of Death Metal after the Bataclan attack, probably just that she's sad her fans have been killed. Maybe something about music being something that's meant to be bring us together rather than split us apart? She has a bit of a unique perspective, being heartbroken, sorry, and lost for words. This is in contrast with a mother of a fifteen year old who they interviewed, who's lost for words and shocked, but presumably not heartbroken.
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Tesseraction posted:All I've seen so far is that she feels personally responsible for the deaths. Which is an understandable response on an emotional level (even though she's objectively not responsible in the slightest), and I feel sorry for her. I'm sorry she's feeling that way and sorry she has to feel that way in a society where we think anyone's fair game for tragedy porn if they have a twitter account. It's gross. forkboy84 posted:I think the media having a story based on a single tweet by a singer who is probably fairly traumatised after the horrible event is far more cynical than my speculation to be blunt. Yeah. Let's publicise the grief of people who aren't thinking clearly for money! Nothing wrong with that. The press doesn't need regulating, no sir.
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