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whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

SunshineDanceParty posted:

I lost so much money on a dumb loving prop bet on Tebow completing 11 passes. Son of a bitch wins on the 10th completion in overtime. Every time that game gets brought up I relive that moment.

Were you able to still laugh at what just happened at least? If not...you must've lost a shitload of money.

Reminds me that one of my instructors in college lost over $500 on the TB-OAK Super Bowl because of that last pick six.

E: wooo, new page

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Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.
My wife missed out on $500 from having the 9-9 point square during the CAR-NE superbowl when Kasay honked the kickoff out of bounds, allowing NE to drive minimal yards to have Vinatieri boot it through with 4 seconds left.

I also missed out on Janet Jackson flashing during halftime, as I went to the kitchen for a beer.

It was a bad Super Bowl all around.

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!

CannonFodder posted:

If those were the years that Favre was hitting the Oxys real hard then that's not a surprise. He probably cleaned up for games but wasn't 100% for practice if you know what I mean.

Favre's public painkiller thing was way back in 1996, which happens to be his Super Bowl year.

Not saying it didn't happen again of course, but that's the one the blew up into a big story.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench
Well then I got nothing.

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

CannonFodder posted:

Tom Brady was an adequate backup to Drew Bledsoe and then took over. Aaron Rodgers was an adequate backup until the Packers let Favre go.

Jimmy G played 4 games of "Not Suck" which is more than Manziel can say.

The Browns could have traded away the number one pick and put your theory to the test but I don't think anyone hates the Browns enough to have wanted them to do that. I'm glad the 49ers didn't take the bait either.

And didn't he only start two games for that matter?

King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 06:47 on May 2, 2017

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Favre in 2006 was a pain in the rear end. Mike Sherman had let him do whatever he wanted for however many years. By the time Mike McCarthy was hired, Favre was demanding to skip training camp or else threatening to retire. I remember a game, I think in Seattle, when Favre and McCarthy were on the sidelines just screaming at each other in the rain. By that point, no one could tell Favre what to do, and McCarthy hates dumb mistakes.

Drafting Aaron Rodgers was a combination of luck/disbelief that he had fallen so far in the draft and wanting to light a fire under Favre or else move on. I'm pretty sure part of Rodgers having such an amazingly high QB rating and TD:INT ratio throughout his career was McCarthy drilling into him the importance of not doing dumb poo poo in direct response to Favre.

Everyone loves it when Favre did dumb poo poo and it worked out. But then, he also has the record for the most interceptions thrown in the playoffs, and the most interceptions thrown in a single playoff game.

I doubt that 2006-2008 Aaron Rodgers was necessarily *better* than Favre in practice or whatever, but I think it's a sure bet that he was trying harder and responding more to coaching.

EDIT: Also, Favre's painkiller was vicodin, and as pointed out, he went into rehab for that in the offseason before their Super Bowl winning season, so I don't think that had anything to do with his last few years in GB.

Rod Hoofhearted fucked around with this message at 09:45 on May 2, 2017

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
Brett Favre owned, yeah

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?
https://vine.co/v/5qtvaKbuOZF

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

CannonFodder posted:

Tom Brady was an adequate backup to Drew Bledsoe and then took over. Aaron Rodgers was an adequate backup until the Packers let Favre go.

Jimmy G played 4 games of "Not Suck" which is more than Manziel can say.

He didn't make it 4 games. We hurt him at like 2.5 games :colbert:

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







No Irish Need Imply
Nov 30, 2008
I loving love Cam.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

Cam owns.

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

he looks like he's about to give me a tour of the oikos yogurt factory

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Well now I just want to see a remake of Willy Wonka starring Cam.

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.
Kelvin Benjamin falling into Yogurt River and gettin sucked up into a clear tube before getting stuck halfway up

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Abugadu posted:

Kelvin Benjamin falling into Yogurt River and gettin sucked up into a clear tube before getting stuck halfway up

Replace the gum with a popsicle or something.

Kelvin, you're turning zero degrees Kelvin, Kelvin!

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


Ehud posted:

he looks like he's about to give me a tour of the oikos yogurt factory

come with me
and you'll see
a whole world of dairy fermentation

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

febreeze we just came up with your next comic

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
It's gonna be a loooooong offseason.

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.
Bunch of tiny Christian McCaffreys toddle out singing


Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
I've got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa Kuechly dee
Why does this WR weigh 283

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets
Eating as much as Kawann Short eats
What are you at going Mike Williams style fat
What do you think will come of that?

Trade bait for the New York Jets

Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
If you're not greedy you will go far
You could win some Super Bowls too
Like the Pats and Pack and Steelers do


*Cam hurriedly hustles the rest of the group onto the SS Riverboat Ron

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

It's absurd to draw any conclusions from those five guys, who success or failure were affected by a variety of factors far beyond what their teams gave up to get them.

You could expand the sample to the last 40 years and it doesn't get any better (think you end up with about 12 total examples and only 2-3 success)

But then I could just say the same--there isn't enough evidence to suggest that trading up is a good idea, either. You just say "it's the most important position on the team, so it must be worth it," and I agree that it's important, but so far we don't have a lot of examples to point to where we'd go "yeah, see, this is why you have to do this."

And if you look at the success rate on 1st-round QBs over the same time frame (last 20 years or so), you still find that the trade-up picks underperform compared to 1st-round QBs (in terms of hit rate). It could just be bad luck, but I suspect that the additional costs and expectations placed on a QB that a team traded up to get decreases their chance of success.



Bad Moon posted:

Lol if you don't draft your backup and he takes over the starter position by being awesome.

srsly

TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 14:58 on May 2, 2017

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

Abugadu posted:

Bunch of tiny Christian McCaffreys toddle out singing


Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
I've got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa Kuechly dee
Why does this WR weigh 283

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets
Eating as much as Kawann Short eats
What are you at going Mike Williams style fat
What do you think will come of that?

Trade bait for the New York Jets

Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
If you're not greedy you will go far
You could win some Super Bowls too
Like the Pats and Pack and Steelers do


*Cam hurriedly hustles the rest of the group onto the SS Riverboat Ron

i'm dying

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo

Abugadu posted:

Bunch of tiny Christian McCaffreys toddle out singing


Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
I've got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa Kuechly dee
Why does this WR weigh 283

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets
Eating as much as Kawann Short eats
What are you at going Mike Williams style fat
What do you think will come of that?

Trade bait for the New York Jets

Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
If you're not greedy you will go far
You could win some Super Bowls too
Like the Pats and Pack and Steelers do


*Cam hurriedly hustles the rest of the group onto the SS Riverboat Ron
:golfclap:

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

TheChirurgeon posted:

You could expand the sample to the last 40 years and it doesn't get any better (think you end up with about 12 total examples and only 2-3 success)

But then I could just say the same--there isn't enough evidence to suggest that trading up is a good idea, either. You just say "it's the most important position on the team, so it must be worth it," and I agree that it's important, but so far we don't have a lot of examples to point to where we'd go "yeah, see, this is why you have to do this."

And if you look at the success rate on 1st-round QBs over the same time frame (last 20 years or so), you still find that the trade-up picks underperform compared to 1st-round QBs (in terms of hit rate). It could just be bad luck, but I suspect that the additional costs and expectations placed on a QB that a team traded up to get decreases their chance of success.


srsly

it's probably also because teams aren't going to trade down on sure fire QBs. the colts were never going trade down from luck or Manning, for instance. the 49ers could reasonably have taken any of the QBs but wanted Thomas instead.

who the gently caress are the 49ers even going to start at QB, bears rejects?

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!
Uh, hello, Brian Hoyer is not a reject!

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Uh, hello, Brian Hoyer is not a reject!

Yeah Brian Hoyer is pretty cool!

zimbomonkey
Jul 15, 2008

Tattoos? On MY black quarterback?

Abugadu posted:

Bunch of tiny Christian McCaffreys toddle out singing


Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
I've got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa Kuechly dee
Why does this WR weigh 283

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets
Eating as much as Kawann Short eats
What are you at going Mike Williams style fat
What do you think will come of that?

Trade bait for the New York Jets

Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
If you're not greedy you will go far
You could win some Super Bowls too
Like the Pats and Pack and Steelers do


*Cam hurriedly hustles the rest of the group onto the SS Riverboat Ron

I don't like this.
I love this.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

mastershakeman posted:

it's probably also because teams aren't going to trade down on sure fire QBs. the colts were never going trade down from luck or Manning, for instance. the 49ers could reasonably have taken any of the QBs but wanted Thomas instead.

who the gently caress are the 49ers even going to start at QB, bears rejects?

Leaf and RG3 were considered almost as good if not as good before the draft.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Tre Boston has probably been traded or cut.

Either way condolences Buffalo.

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

Abugadu posted:

Bunch of tiny Christian McCaffreys toddle out singing


Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
I've got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa Kuechly dee
Why does this WR weigh 283

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets
Eating as much as Kawann Short eats
What are you at going Mike Williams style fat
What do you think will come of that?

Trade bait for the New York Jets

Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
If you're not greedy you will go far
You could win some Super Bowls too
Like the Pats and Pack and Steelers do


*Cam hurriedly hustles the rest of the group onto the SS Riverboat Ron

I love you

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench
I'm guessing that's Kelvin on the left with the hover hands.

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

CannonFodder posted:

I'm guessing that's Kelvin on the left with the hover hands.

That man weighs as much as one of Kelvin's meaty thighs

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Abugadu posted:

Bunch of tiny Christian McCaffreys toddle out singing


Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
I've got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa Kuechly dee
Why does this WR weigh 283

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets
Eating as much as Kawann Short eats
What are you at going Mike Williams style fat
What do you think will come of that?

Trade bait for the New York Jets

Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
If you're not greedy you will go far
You could win some Super Bowls too
Like the Pats and Pack and Steelers do


*Cam hurriedly hustles the rest of the group onto the SS Riverboat Ron

Fuckin... :allears:

The Christian McCaffrey joke might be the least funny part, and that's saying something, because that joke was hysterical.

edit:

God damnit, Cam as Willie Wonka? RIVERBOAT RON

This post delivers on every loving line!

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:40 on May 2, 2017

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010


If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling
1-800-GAMBLER


Ultra Carp
Lions picked up Eric Ebron's 5th year option :toot:

Definitely glad they did, he's been disappointing as a top ten pick but as a player he's not bad. (granted I'm not sure if he's eight million dollars worth of not bad, but for the moment I'll take what I can get)

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Yep. Boston waived.

had to expect that after hooker fell into their laps and they wisely drafted him.

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

Abugadu posted:

Bunch of tiny Christian McCaffreys toddle out singing


Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
I've got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa Kuechly dee
Why does this WR weigh 283

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets
Eating as much as Kawann Short eats
What are you at going Mike Williams style fat
What do you think will come of that?

Trade bait for the New York Jets

Oompa Loompa Kuechly doo
If you're not greedy you will go far
You could win some Super Bowls too
Like the Pats and Pack and Steelers do


*Cam hurriedly hustles the rest of the group onto the SS Riverboat Ron


So if I could buy you a beer or five for this I would.

Coldforge
Oct 29, 2002

I knew it would be bad.
I didn't know it would be so stupid.

mastershakeman posted:

it's probably also because teams aren't going to trade down on sure fire QBs. the colts were never going trade down from luck or Manning, for instance. the 49ers could reasonably have taken any of the QBs but wanted Thomas instead.

who the gently caress are the 49ers even going to start at QB, bears rejects?

The 49ers will be starting QB Sam Darnold/Josh Allen/Josh Rosen*, or whoever it is they pick first second* overall in the next draft.

*forgot about the Jets for a second.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

LabyaMynora posted:

Drafting Aaron Rodgers was a combination of luck/disbelief that he had fallen so far in the draft

To be fair, didn't Rodgers turn out to be, like, the first Jeff Tedford quarterback who didn't suck out loud in the NFL?

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Timby posted:

To be fair, didn't Rodgers turn out to be, like, the first Jeff Tedford quarterback who didn't suck out loud in the NFL?

quote:

Fresno State
Trent Dilfer 6th overall 1994, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
David Carr 1st overall 2002, Houston Texans

Oregon
Akili Smith 3rd overall 1999, Cincinnati Bengals
Joey Harrington 3rd overall 2002, Detroit Lions

California
Kyle Boller 19th overall 2003, Baltimore Ravens
Aaron Rodgers 24th overall 2005, Green Bay Packers

Tedford also coached Billy Volek, a backup quarterback for the San Diego Chargers, and A. J. Feeley, a backup quarterback for the St. Louis Rams.

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Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy
Carr wasn't as bad as most of that list, but getting destroyed for a few years behind a line held together by scotch tape and paper clips can gently caress up a QB pretty hard.

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