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Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Business, Finance, and Careers › Bad With Money 2.0: I don't want a house anymore in stupid Toronto

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Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


monster on a stick posted:

Why buy a horse when you can buy a train car and have it towed around the state? :smug:

Fake edit: and also forbid people from passing through the car, thus the legaladvice thread

The best part about the comments is that someone dug up Amtrak's price sheet if you want to attach your own private rail car to an Amtrak train. There's a fairly hefty minimum charge, but at under $3/mile it's not as expensive as I would have imagined.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


OctaviusBeaver posted:

Couple buys a car, then has a "personal and financial crisis" that they solve by abandoning the car at the airport and leaving the country. They called the dealership on their way and told them where to pick it up, assuming that would solve everything and they wouldn't owe any more money.


https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/6k8m4b/i_think_we_broke_the_auto_repossession_system/

This one is just incredible and the OP only kind of touches on the madness.

OP gets in over their heads on their car loan and decide to surrender the vehicle. Only instead of taking it to the dealer and dropping off the keys, they drive it 4 states away to NYC, call the creditor, and say "your car is in airport parking at JFK Airport, come pick it up :smug:" and just assume that they've somehow successfully washed their hands of the whole process.

Meanwhile, the creditor apparently never comes to pick up the car, because why the gently caress would they when it's 700 miles away in a paid lot. So after some unknown period of time racking up probably $30-50/day in parking fees, it gets towed and impounded by the NYPD, racking up additional storage, towing, and abandoned-vehicle fees.

Fast forward to the present day, a year and a half later and OP still hasn't done poo poo to resolve the situation other than assuming that a vague "repossession" note on their credit report means that everything has been magically sorted out. NYPD has finally mailed him a notice that they're imminently about to auction the car off unless he can pay the entire sum he owes them (from other posters, likely to be into five figures at this point). And since it's a car with a busted-rear end transmission it's probably not even going to get very much at auction.

So to summarize, in early 2016, at the start of his odyssey, OP owed:

1. Some unknown amount of money to the dealership for a 2015 Nissan.

(I should emphasize here that it's not even clear he was behind on payments or otherwise in financial trouble, the only thing OP mentions is anger over having the transmission crap out twice. It's possible he may have just been pissed been the car was a bit of a lemon and thought that he could just "give it back" to the dealer and be done with it.)

At the present time, OP owes:

1. Some unknown amount of money to the dealership for a 2015 Nissan.
2. Late fees/penalties/interest for a year-plus of not making payments on the above.
3. $$$ in daily parking fees to the JFK Airport parking authority after he dumped his car there
4. $$$$$ in daily storage fees to the NYPD after they finally impounded his car from the airport
5. Fines/fees from the NYPD for OP's abandoned vehicle and towing thereof

His car is about to be auctioned by the NYPD, which will probably not even cover his fees to them, leaving him on the hook for

1. The remaining balance of what he owes to the NYPD
2. The balance + possible late fees for the time it was parked at the airport
3. The entire amount of money he still owes on the loan to the dealer + late fees/penalties/interest, because thanks to OP's brilliance, at this point there's not even going to be a car for the dealer to repossess.

This doesn't even get into the insanity of the 9-hour roundtrip commute for a $12/hr job, which is some AAA++++++++ WOULD READ AGAIN level BWM all by itself.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Buttcoiners are the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/6vgand/uk_a_technician_from_microsoft_live_support/ posted:

[UK] A technician from Microsoft live support accessed my crypto currency funds and took all my savings/money 30,000 USD. Are these steps correct? (self.legaladvice)

How do I exactly go about filing a law suit, in particular against this legitimate internet company as one of their technicians accessed some files containing vital information for my funds and transferred it to an encrypted account. They are a Microsoft affiliate.

I have some vital information like a receipt of their service and a transaction which coincides to when the funds were gone at the same time. The funds were stored locally and are extremely hard to access as attested by my crypto currency support to which they affirmed that it was the technician who misappropriated all of this mess (I also have saved the conversation with my provider). The technician was searching my folders for a corruption in my Microsoft office and stumbled upon all my codes along the way and copied them. I have tried reaching them via chat but they are extremely hesitant denying that I ever was a customer in the first place despite having clear proof that I was. I will try and call their UK landline and reach a settlement.

My plan is to get a cyber lawyer and talk them through this. Now should I get one in the UK or India? Under which court will I have to go to do go about this claim. Thank you all so much, you have no idea.

quote:

lmao that's not an affiliate, it's not even the real Microsoft logo and the entire page is written in broken English.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Yeah, earnest money is not unusual in the context of signing a contract to buy a house, at least in my experience. This part though

quote:

Today, I received an email stating that one of the next steps would be to deposit 1.7% of the total buying price ( roughly 10k €) in one of the agencies accounts as a sign that we are serious about buying. If we decided not to buy later on, we'd be reimbursed by the same amount.

Makes it sound like they're way short of that point, and possibly they want this deposit to even just physically look at the house? That just feels scammy to me. Normally earnest money doesn't get handed back unless the contract falls through due to something going wrong on the seller's end. (Last time I sold my house I had a signed contract with earnest money and the buyer decided to bail out for ~*reasons*~, so I actually got to keep the earnest money, and then sold it to a different person a week later anyway. :toot:)

Porfiriato fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Oct 13, 2017

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


“Sure, I could pull my chips off the table now, but what if the roulette wheel hits red six more times in a row? Imagine missing out on that delta.”

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Here, have some buttcoin BWM:

https://www.wired.com/story/i-forgot-my-pin-an-epic-tale-of-losing-dollar30000-in-bitcoin/

In which a moron who really, really should know better, being an editor at Wired and all, loads all of his bitcoin onto a hardware wallet and then stuffs the sheet of paper containing the only copy of his 24-word password under his daughter's pillow (where it is promptly thrown away), and it also contains the only copy of his backup PIN, which he then promptly forgets, leading to hilarity as each incorrect guess on the hardware device doubles the amount of waiting time before he can guess again, to the point that after a few more wrong guesses he would be dead before he could make another one. Whew.

He pays some hacker (in bitcoin, of course) to show him how to do an exploit and recover his password and gets it back in the end

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


I like the undertone in her post of “I’m the responsible adult here, he’s the out of control idiot.” :smuggo:

She’s good with money relative to him in the way that a dumpster fire is good relative to a raging tire fire.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


legendof posted:

My mom's financial life is a wreck: impending foreclosure and car repossession, multiple payday loans, etc and she asked me for help, any suggestions?

-Combined, they make about $68,000 a year, she is the higher earner of the two but I don't know exact numbers. The last number I knew was $38,000 for her but she has changed roles to one with a higher wage but also lost all overtime so I'd assume that it's slightly higher now but not by much

-Mortgage was for ~$70,000 in 2005, it's been paid down to ~$50,000

-She has received foreclosure paperwork and her mortgage company will not take any more payments but they did say there's a way back into the loan (not sure what that is)

-They have a car payment for a minivan for ~$500 per month

Running the numbers and assuming a ~4.5% interest rate on a 30-year note, her monthly mortgage payment is probably around $350-400 a month.

They make ~$70K combined and they're going to lose their home because they can't find enough cash each month to cover a mortgage that is less than their car payment, and less even than some of the particularly idiotic cellphone bills we've seen in this thread. I mean, if they can't even make that, how the hell are they going to afford rent? Even in Shitsville, Midwest, USA you're not going to find much in that price range that doesn't include the words "leaky" and "trailer".

If there wasn't a kid involved (:smith:) I'd say let them get foreclosed on and live in their stupid minivan.

Porfiriato fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Nov 19, 2017

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016



Ex’s brother + “in and out of psych wards” + “Bitcoin :airquote:business:airquote: account” + conducting transactions solely by verbal agreements and Facebook messages + somehow losing his entire stake during the biggest Bitcoin bubble yet = :discourse:

Oh man, that’s the good stuff there.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


I mean, the $100/month on the two cats is not really that BWM compared to the bigger BWM picture of $500/month on food for two people who still "haven't had money for groceries for almost 3 weeks" and the ~$300/month combined on cell phones/internet/cable. There's a lot non-cat-related fat that could be trimmed in there if there situation is really that dire.

Also, his gross is 60K but he's only taking home ~35K? Does CT have ridiculous state taxes or something, because otherwise that seems really really high.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


I mean, even if we assume this is the very first month of their lease, at the end of it they'll have spent at minimum $20K+ to lease a loving minivan. You could buy a pretty decent used one outright for that price and still have enough left for several trips to exciting Syracuse.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


I'm the blue dots over the eyes to protect the horse's right to privacy.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016



I enjoy the LENGTHY list of exceptions where the spending limit doesn’t apply, including stuff like cons where a hoarder of lovely pop culture merch is obviously going to go hog wild.

It reminds me of the Blue Story thread. “Well, you see, we blew through 3x our monthly budget for Star Wars merch in the first six days of the month (again) because of XXXX which was a special circumstance so it doesn’t count”

Edit: I just noticed that sales of “WWE figures” can be used to supplement the Funko Pop fund :laffo:

Porfiriato fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jan 18, 2018

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Yes, but cigarettes only destroy your body, funko pops destroy your soul.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


The best part was that he flat out lied to the thread about his actual financial status for months (IIRC he proudly posted about coming in like $6 under his budget for January) before dropping the bomb that well, actually, he’s been quietly financing thousands of dollars in buttcoin via high-interest credit cards while literally telling his preschool age daughter that she couldn’t have $3 pizza at school once per week because money was too tight and daddy was on a budget.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Yeah, maybe I should have put “best” in scare quotes like that. It’s frustrating because he seems to realize buttcoin was a dumb move in a vacuum but can’t extrapolate that how it’s real-world affecting his family.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


This was posted in another thread but I feel like it belongs here.

nerd plus rage posted:

quote:

Tax advice for my sister please?
Well that doesn't sound very interesting

quote:

My little sister worked at a small restaurant in a very small town. They paid her under the table, and refused to take any taxes out of her checks.
Weird. Maybe the IRS is coming after her or something, that would suck.

quote:

Today, they called her up and presented her with this:
Ooh, I wonder what it is? Legal documents?

quote:

:hmbol: holy poo poo

link because this could go some exciting places

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016



Wow, Drew Curtis has really fallen on some hard times.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


On second thought, nah.

Porfiriato fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Feb 13, 2018

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Panfilo posted:

Wouldn't insurance cover something like a home invasion/robbery situation?

Yeah, also the home invasion somehow left them “without a vehicle” which means either they didn’t have car insurance (BWM/BWL/probably Bad With Law in CA) or they didn’t want to report the theft for some reason.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Subjunctive posted:

You veered pretty far, in case you were wondering.

Yeah I know. I feel kinda bad suggesting it, so it’s not a hill I’m going to die on to defend.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Droo posted:

Homeowner's insurance wouldn't cover a stolen car, the comprehensive policy on the automobile would. A lot of people (including me) don't bother to carry collision/comprehensive car insurance. Please don't steal my car.

Not carrying collision/comprehensive insurance when you can’t afford to replace your car if it’s stolen or damaged in an accident that’s your fault is extremely BWM. As this guy might have learned (and hopefully you won’t).

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Bob: I looked into it more deeply and I found that apparently what happened is that he was laid off five years ago and no one ever told him about it; but through some kind of glitch in the payroll department, he still gets a paycheck.

Bob: So we just went ahead and fixed the glitch.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Krispy Wafer posted:

So did he have to bet that all three would win in order to even get that meager payout?

Later tweet in the thread was alright:

https://twitter.com/Conroy1178/status/975007759900073989

So the sports book was paying 1:100 if UVA won but only 25:1 for a UMBC victory. Pretty GWM on their part.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


:thermidor:

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


The New York Times has a long article on how student loans are trashing the younger generation's dreams for home ownership. Most of it is fairly reasonable, but even their example cases are pretty BWM:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/business/how-student-debt-can-ruin-home-buying-dreams.html

quote:

Adrienne Naylor turned 34 this month. She has a stable job at a university in Cambridge, Mass., where she lives. She has a girlfriend she loves. But she does not feel like she is getting any closer to buying a home.

Ms. Naylor remembers her guidance counselors in high school going on about how much she would make if she went to college (a lot) versus what she would earn if she didn’t (much less). So she borrowed. And then changed colleges. And borrowed some more. Then she got a master’s degree in history, with a focus on managing archives and records. Now she has close to $300,000 in debt.

Eventually she fell behind on her payments and went into default, wrecking her credit score. No one wanted to hire her as an archivist, the focus of her graduate education.

Med-school level loan debt from pursuing the dream of a master's in history. I mean, even if she found a career in her field, she'd never be able to pay that off on archivist's salary. (I also like the hazy handwaving on exactly how long it took her to get her degree, aside from the fact that it took multiple colleges.)

quote:

The delay feels like it could be more open-ended for Matthew McCabe, who is staring down age 40 and long odds on ever owning property. He has paid about $25,000 back to the government for his student loans, yet he still owes $86,000 for the Ph.D. in music composition that he received in 2010.

“It’s stifling,” he said. “I feel like I am moving in the wrong direction.”

Mr. McCabe expected to own a little place by now. “Maybe I am pulling too much on my middle-class expectations, but that’s what you’re supposed to do,” he said.

On the plus side, this guy earns $55K/year and it seems like if he buckled down and budgeted hard for a few years he could probably knock out a decent chunk of that and build up some savings for a down payment on an affordable home, especially since he lives in a small city in Georgia.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


quote:

What did they say when you discussed the changes made to your contract?

quote:

I announced I printed my own contract with my terms in reference to the employment and handed it over to the acting body and asked them to go over it, to which she said it wasn't necessary.

I hate to call fake, but in this guy's version of events I find it very hard to believe that he could walk in and say, "here's the employment contract, I made a few changes" :smuggo: :smuggo: and the employer would be like "yeah fine whatever" *boss makes jerking off motion*

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Phanatic posted:

Nah, card counting at blackjack can have a positive EV depending on the ruleset, but:

1. It's very easy to spot an advantage player and Vegas casinos are entirely allowed to kick you out of the table or even the casino.
2. It's harder and harder to find a table with a ruleset that lets the EV go positive, and when you do those are usually lower maximum bet tables.

There are some video poker games that are positive EV given perfect strategy, but perfect strategy is hard and even the people who try it are more likely to screw it up than not so they're still profitable for the casinos.

Yeah, John Smith is actually right in this case. It's possible to win consistently, in the long term, with perfect play at some casino games under some rule sets, mainly blackjack with card counting coupled with favorable rules for the player. A really good game with perfect play only has a house edge of 0.5-0.7%, and then you count cards and dramatically ramp up your bets when the composition of the deck swings in your favor (more 10s/aces left so more likely for you to get 20 or a blackjack).

The trouble is that's quite obvious what you're doing when you plod along betting the minimum for half an hour and then suddenly go "I FEEL LUCKY BABY WOOOO!" and slap down a bunch of $100 chips. And even then the EV might only be a few percentage points in your favor, so a lot of the time you're still going to lose the hand anyway, meaning you need a large bankroll to be able withstand those swings. And then you get kicked out and blacklisted by the casinos anyway. It's basically GWM with a high chance of being BWM if you get caught before you've won (or on a downswing) or aren't playing absolutely perfectly 100% of the time (because even a couple of incorrect plays per hour can wipe out your entire theoretical advantage and then some).

If I recall a lot of the time when video poker is positive it's because there's a progressive jackpot or something where the top payout is big enough that it's positive EV overall, again, in the long term, but video poker perfect strategy also has some really weird counter-intuitive moves sometimes.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


John Smith posted:

You are not supposed to solo. You go in with a team, and signal when it is time for your partner to place the mega bet.

If the casino wasn't trying to catch you, this would be easy as poo poo though. Just bring in your stats textbook and notes, your laptop and some pen and paper.

Well yeah, team play is the next level...you get a bunch of people grinding out minimum bets and signaling a big bettor who wanders the floor placing bets at the hot tables.

You’re not too far off on the second part. The courts in New Jersey actually forbid casinos from ejecting card counters. You could probably bring your own pen and paper and books to the table (laptop might questionable)...but as a direct result of the court decision, the casinos made the rules in Atlantic City so garbage that it’s nearly impossible to get any kind of a worthwhile positive EV.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


SiGmA_X posted:

Girlfriend is moving in soon and I am embarrassed of my financial situation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/8vy7wl/girlfriend_is_moving_in_soon_and_i_am_embarrassed/
His gf needs to :sever:

This is Zaurg, isn’t it. He blew another 25k on crypto (or hid these debts from BFC all along), got a roommate like some of the well-pissers were suggesting, and is moving fast with the new Zgirlfriend that he mentioned before his long probe.

He just thought knocking ten years off his age, calling it “rent” instead of a mortgage payment, and fudging which end of Florida he lives in would be enough to throw us off the trail.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


moana posted:

edit: want to see what $625k will buy you in California? Spoiler: it's less than 500 square feet! https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Santa-Cruz-CA/house_type/16112305_zpid/

and it actually sold for $350K less than a year ago, and was originally listed for $769k :eyepop:

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


I'm pretty sure he means that in the past you could, say, sign up for the card in October, spend $300 on travel and get the credit, then when January rolled around spend $300 more and get the credit again. Now you wouldn't be eligible again until the next October.

Edit: In fact I'm pretty sure I did exactly that when I first got the card, kept it though because the specific benefits are ultimately GWM in my situation (because the hefty annual fee is largely offset by that credit)

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


It's Idaho so there's probably like a 50% chance the neighbor is a sovcit weirdo.

I look forward to his lawsuit defense based on the argument that since the neighbor's yard is not fringed in goldenrods, his dog should legally be considered a naval vessel engaged in interstate commerce (of doots) and therefore the court has no standing to hear the case.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


My wife and I are student loan defaulters who said "ain't gonna ever pay!" and now living life on the run. AMA!

quote:

Wife owes $80,000+ and rapidly growing in private student loans. After years of struggling to make minimum monthly payments of $900+, we finally came to the decision to say "No way Sallie Mae, you are never going to get another cent!".

Since then she has been in default and we've been livin' on the run for the past year. The goal is to wait for the Statute of Limitations (SOL) to run out whereby Sallie Mae and its collection agencies can no longer collect. This is called a strategic default. Many people have successfully reached the SOL: the private lender can't do anything further to collect. Also, many people after being in default for a long time have been able to settle for their debt for a HUGE reduction. Also it makes adversarial proceedings much easier (this is where the debtor declares bankruptcy under undue hardship) because the debt grows so large it actually becomes impossible to pay off. Basically strategic defaults can give people much greater options than they ever had before. If worse comes to worse, she has family in a third would country where we'd both easily be able to live and work. There we're guaranteed to be 100% untouchable by the private loan sharks.



Edit 1: Her degree is in a STEM field. Unfortunately, she can't easily secure a job in the field without a masters degree. She failed the GRE several times and has been denied entry in multiple graduate programs. What do we ultimately want? We want a legitimate ability for student loan debtors, after trying their best to pay, have the ability to discharge their loans through bankruptcy. Currently the undue hardship standard is nearly impossible to meet. This is why lenders are willing to hand out $20,000 to people knowing full well there is little people can do to get out of it. Because of this, college and university become even more expensive because of the guaranteed gravy train. Thanks for the private messages asking for personal advice in similar situations, but I can't keep up, please post Qs here and also check out /r/studentloandefaulters

Edit 2: For people who messaged me asking what a strategic default is, I recommend you take a look at this, this and this. Always discuss your specific situation by speaking with an attorney and doing your homework before making a strategic default.


THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE AMA!! It was a lot of fun answering questions and talking with everyone. God bless!

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Lowness 72 posted:

C'mon man post the link!

You mean me?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/5vvv48/my_wife_and_i_are_student_loan_defaulters_who/

I skimmed the comments but they weren't that interesting, a lot of handwaving from the OP when people call him out on :qq: "but if we were going to pay, the payments are $900 a month!!" :qq: as if that's some completely unattainable magical sum of money for two college-educated adults with (apparently) no kids or other major debts to come up with, to the point that living a cash-based lifestyle like an undocumented immigrant and moving frequently for years to come is a better option. (Several people also point out that moving frequently is fairly expensive in itself...)

EDIT: Also he never clarifies what kind of supposedly-useless-without-a-masters STEM degree his wife got.

Porfiriato fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Oct 18, 2018

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


#BatWithMoney: The car price was 45k and I talked him down to $625 a month.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Volmarias posted:

Your first $100k is untaxed if you're working overseas, he stated that since he didn't owe taxes he never bothered filling since he figured it wouldn't matter.

Yeah, but you would think that he'd have realized at some point that having a black hole of, say, 3-5 years of no income tax returns filed at all is going to look shady as hell to the IRS when he goes back home and starts having taxable income and filing returns again.

It's also like $20/year to e-file your 1040, so this guy claiming he's too broke to do even that single step that would massively (albeit temporarily) unfuck his life, should probably try a little harder to scrape up the $50-100 he needs.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


In most cases yes, but this guy sounds like he just needs to sit down with a few old copies of TurboTax and let it walk him through the foreign earned income exclusion section. Assuming he was outside the USA for 330 days each year it's pretty straightforward. If he's as broke as he says he is, he probably doesn't have, say, taxable investment income back home or something like that to worry about.

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Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Krispy Wafer posted:

Wait until we’re black diamond.

:bisonyes:

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