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Over the last several years, you may have noticed a marked increase in young people on both ends of the political spectrum that have renewed their fascination with limp-dicked promises to execute political enemies The general conceit is that, at some future time, in which the poster has somehow magically obtained a degree of power and control over both their life and the political sphere, they will be murdering the opponent. On internet sites more tolerant of extreme right views, like twitter or chansites, these threats from near-translucent NEETs come in the form of "helicopter rides" or similar guarantees that leftists, racial/sexual minorities, and loose women will be punished so that traditional society might be renewed. In more left-leaning circles, such as this one, agoraphobic socialists startled by loud noises assure you that there will soon come a time where they pull the upper middle class from their beds and presumably shoot them, a life-or-death conviction they have developed sometime between the rise of LF and the sudden notoriety of a Social Democrat from The Green Mountain State, depending on the individual. Impotent Nazis are far worse, we can agree. I'm not concern-trolling like "oh no this incivility will chase off converts;" no one pays attention anyway so I'm not worried about driving people from Leftism. But this is a phenomenon that both are exhibiting, and the chances of a either group killing me or anyone else, besides in a stabbing at a counterprotest, are nil. The D&D poster who got banned for threatening to bash GOP heads in isn't gonna do it. I don't see a lot of Nazi posting, so I think the saddest, most embarrassing and pathetic post one can possibly read is that of an out of shape DSA Marxist who doesn't know how to tie a knot insisting that he will run someone up a lamppost. What you do see instead are these LARP events, where a handful of fascist poseurs dress in the lamest Halloween costumes they can put together, meet with a bunch of crustpunk opiate addicts and Maoists who can't even find a real Little Red Book, and they all posture at eachother until somebody gets hurt or the cops make them go home. A lot is being made of this in both left and right circles: both want to believe that this is the start, these are the Weimar street fights, this is the prologue to The Big One that puts their chosen side in power. But its not. It's LARP, it's a meaningless curiosity and nothing is being decided in the street except what happens when you thrown bottles at 5'2 Marines with height complexes, or what happens when you Heil Hitler and the public knows what you look like. Everyone drives their car to the prearranged battle, shouts and yells and maybe fights, then they all intend to go home the way they came The real question is: why is this happening? Has the politically motivated young person been so shut out from meaningful engagement that he has no recourse but to fantasize about Final Victory? Is it the polarization of the political environment, combined with the softening of the population, so the combatant hates the other but doesn't have the guts to do him in? Can we blame this on violent videogames and the downloading of too many Doom WADs? When you threaten to murder some sack of poo poo for being rich or having bad politics on a talk show, why are you doing this? Do you think your soft lefty rear end can really do that when the time comes? Do you expect me to believe you? If not, why are you saying it? Is it cathartic, are you professing your loyalty to a political ideology? Does it make you feel powerful? If you disagree with me and you think that this is going to lead to some sort of mass political impact, how do you expect that will occur? Please like, share, and sound off in the comments  
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two-ish generations without a "great" and "just" war to fight has left many young men confused and angry in their fragile masculinity. edit: but not really, it is a mixture of economic conditions, white/masculine fragility, and most of all a feeling of powerlessness when it comes to politics and change. These LARPings represent the possibility of cure to their powerlessness. For the alternative is to accept that one is really at the mercy of a broken and cruel system that the impenetrable The Puppet Master has issued a correction as of 15:23 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 15:20
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May 8, 2017 15:26
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i think it's entirely possible that we will begin to see frog nazi / anime communist school shooters
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May 8, 2017 18:15
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people who actually want to be soldiers join the military
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May 8, 2017 18:16
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the LARPing is a cargo cult
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May 8, 2017 18:19
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deadgoon posted:i think it's entirely possible that we will begin to see frog nazi / anime communist school shooters i don't think anime communists have the potential for school shootings really there already has been a pepe shooter though 
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May 8, 2017 18:38
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ok i read it im not sure why we're blaming kids for being angry and aggressive and not the straight left for being unable or unwilling to provide them with productive outlets for their energy
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May 8, 2017 18:43
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Al! posted:ok i read it im not sure why we're blaming kids for being angry and aggressive and not the straight left for being unable or unwilling to provide them with productive outlets for their energy what would a real anarchist movement look like in america 2017
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May 8, 2017 19:06
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deadgoon posted:what would a real anarchist movement look like in america 2017 lol
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May 8, 2017 19:13
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Out of the lefties here I'm probably one of the most physically capable of actually killing somebody but also one of the most opposed to saying you'll do that, even jokingly.
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May 8, 2017 19:18
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clicke on this thinking it was about my sex life
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May 8, 2017 19:18
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Al! posted:lol yeah exactly, it's not the failure of the "straight left", it's our society's ideology rendering us unable to conceive of the possibility of any real change to the current order of things shitposting on the internet about how you* would rather live in the forest without electricity is a consequence of liberal ideology, not a rejection of it * that wasn't "you" tho that was crazycloud
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May 8, 2017 19:24
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thinking about it any anarchist or socialist movement in 2017 should learn lessons that churches learned fukkin hundreds of years ago, which is if you want working class people to form the base platform to project your political power, you have to give them something in return for their continued patronage whether it be free meals, job training, ride sharing etc. free or greatly reduced childcare is a big one that chruches often provide and is an excellent steppingstone for intergenerational indoctrination. the megachurch evangelicals learned this very well and now there are far more people in this country who believe christ wants the poor to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and that socialisms are the tools of the devil despite receiving many socialized benefits from their church.
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May 8, 2017 19:24
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Al! posted:thinking about it any anarchist or socialist movement in 2017 should learn lessons that churches learned fukkin hundreds of years ago, which is if you want working class people to form the base platform to project your political power, you have to give them something in return for their continued patronage whether it be free meals, job training, ride sharing etc. free or greatly reduced childcare is a big one that chruches often provide and is an excellent steppingstone for intergenerational indoctrination. non noono you got this all wrong. you tell them to sit down and read settlers
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May 8, 2017 19:25
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like you see a lot of radicalization happen around the time of the great depression not only because bankers and investors hosed us all, but also because the left was directly involved with things like soup kitchens and work camp organizing. in 2017 those opportunities aren't found as easily as people are alienated from others of their class hell, maybe we're going back to that phase who knows but it seems like the problem is material and not necessarily ideological - the straight left either doesn't have the resources or is unwilling to expend resources for service-based outreach.
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May 8, 2017 19:31
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tldr the people want free poo poo, give them free poo poo
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May 8, 2017 19:34
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Out of the lefties here I'm probably one of the most physically capable of actually killing somebody but also one of the most opposed to saying you'll do that, even jokingly. i dont believe this at all
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May 8, 2017 19:45
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Darkman Fanpage posted:i dont believe this at all I'm 6'3 (the same height as JEB!) and grew up on a small farm doing manual labor and hunting.
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May 8, 2017 21:04
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really makes you yearn for the days when the internet was just furry and linux wars
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May 8, 2017 21:47
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Al! posted:thinking about it any anarchist or socialist movement in 2017 should learn lessons that churches learned fukkin hundreds of years ago, which is if you want working class people to form the base platform to project your political power, you have to give them something in return for their continued patronage you mean like organizing free larps and costumes for the larps so american middle class young adults can go play "internet politics fight" in real life with no actual discourse or political happenings they got organized and spent it fighting people yelling 300 memes instead of helping the terrifying homeless problem around us *heart turns into stone*
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May 8, 2017 21:55
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Rushi posted:you mean like organizing free larps and costumes for the larps so american middle class young adults can go play "internet politics fight" in real life with no actual discourse or political happenings at least political larping appeals to the working class
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May 8, 2017 21:59
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Al! posted:thinking about it any anarchist or socialist movement in 2017 should learn lessons that churches learned fukkin hundreds of years ago, which is if you want working class people to form the base platform to project your political power, you have to give them something in return for their continued patronage whether it be free meals, job training, ride sharing etc. free or greatly reduced childcare is a big one that chruches often provide and is an excellent steppingstone for intergenerational indoctrination. that requires work and actually maintaining existing infrastructure though
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May 8, 2017 22:03
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maybe sa is ahead of the curve and real life finally caught up and hit it's LF peak just gotta chill out till they all get weed and get more c-spamy
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May 8, 2017 22:04
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Darkman Fanpage posted:i dont believe this at all
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May 8, 2017 22:05
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Rushi posted:you mean like organizing free larps and costumes for the larps so american middle class young adults can go play "internet politics fight" in real life with no actual discourse or political happenings Yeah that's an angle that doesn't get as much attention. It's such a waste of time an energy those folks could be using toward some kind of real political action.
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May 8, 2017 22:07
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this image is so loving stupid and dumb and i tired to think of something funny to go with it but really seeing that it's the true face of youth politics in the usa i guess it covers all that itself edit: nvm this is how i feel about usa youth politics:  (stolen from image thread) Rushi has issued a correction as of 22:18 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 22:09
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Al! posted:tldr the people want free poo poo, give them free poo poo it is literally illegal to feed the poor in Florida and I'm sure this is the case in many other states as well
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May 8, 2017 23:03
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OP will be first against the wall when the revolution comes.
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Its a power fantasy I guess, which always manifest when you don't have a legitimate outlet for frustration. I agree with Al that there is a real lack of infrastructure (soup kitchens etc) on the left, and that such services form the real basics of political engagement. I put that down to both the recent swing towards the post-modern individualism that's suspicious of big ideas or group solidarity (which has happened on both the left and right), and just a plain lack of people. Occupy is the prototypical example here, they were so concerned about procedure and fearful of a lack of 'concensus' that they became totally ineffectual and useless. But I disagree that this is all useless posturing. Politics and, importantly, psychology is a lot about posturing! A lot of what you do when you interact with others, is posturing. And there's a particular kind of posturing that's relevant here. Because the ultimate act of the power fantasy, is terrorism. School shootings, lone wolf attacks, car bombings and even suicide bombings. In today's media saturated world, its possible for anyone to become the Most Infamous Villian Of The Day. If you're a particularly anti-social, vindictive or resentful, that has cachet. So as much as you may think these guys are all just playing pretend, and will never amount to anything, I'm not sure. I think a lot of these guys are gonna kill people. I'm also gonna guess that this terrorism is going to come mostly, if not exclusively, from the right, because the right, right now, see masculinity as under threat, and anger as the only justifiable masculine emotion. That of course leads to over-compensation to ameliorate the threat of castration.
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Hodgepodge posted:OP will be first against the wall when the revolution comes. Instead let us just gulag them.
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Some better responses than I expected tbh I agree with points made thus far about there being a lack of IRL outlets for young left politics, especially popular outlets. Really, what is out there: you can join your local DSA speed-dating club; you can maybe find some Marxist reading group and hope it's not full of old weirdos (good luck) and it won't splinter two times like mine did; you can join some moribund party of geriatric hippies that collects dues, sporadically issues a journal, and does little else; or you can go to some protest or counterprotest that's drawing attention. I don't want to criticize the DSA too much because it's popular and it's "awareness," but none of those accomplish much, I don't think they move the needle much either. They don't help anyone materially. Al! posted:tldr the people want free poo poo, give them free poo poo This would be rad. Someone said it's illegal to feed the homeless in some places, and it is! Everywhere else it's just hard. We tried to do this in my impoverished rust belt city and ran into all kinds of permit/cert barriers, and as soon as one loudmouth announces your politics to a city bureaucrat, all sorts of new challenges magically appear I understand why *some* people lash out in frustration and threaten gulag or whatever. I think that most people are just being ironic, obviously. It's become cute. and yeah. power fantasy
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I unironically think starting a fight club night be a good idea for a lot of dsa chapters. Not even as a "we'll go gently caress up those nazis" thing but there's a lot of pent up aggression in a bunch of people and if you can provide a fun and healthy outlet for it you'd go far.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Out of the lefties here I'm probably one of the most physically capable of actually killing somebody but also one of the most opposed to saying you'll do that, even jokingly. classic jeb Bushiz posted:I unironically think starting a fight club night be a good idea for a lot of dsa chapters. Not even as a "we'll go gently caress up those nazis" thing but there's a lot of pent up aggression in a bunch of people and if you can provide a fun and healthy outlet for it you'd go far. no lie i joined a fight club in college, we fought in the halls of willard. he broke his wrist punching me and we called it a stalemate
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May 9, 2017 01:43
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Al! posted:tldr the people want free poo poo, give them free poo poo no lie this is the foundation of politics
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https://twitter.com/Rhizzone_Txt/status/861741759629475841
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Al! posted:thinking about it any anarchist or socialist movement in 2017 should learn lessons that churches learned fukkin hundreds of years ago, which is if you want working class people to form the base platform to project your political power, you have to give them something in return for their continued patronage whether it be free meals, job training, ride sharing etc. free or greatly reduced childcare is a big one that chruches often provide and is an excellent steppingstone for intergenerational indoctrination. the really funny thing is that this is basically what conservatives are always saying about private charity and yet they will be 100% against it
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Rushi posted:you mean like organizing free larps and costumes for the larps so american middle class young adults can go play "internet politics fight" in real life with no actual discourse or political happenings hang on i gotta go write and market a rulebook for political larps. gonna make money off woke teens. rudatron posted:I agree with Al that there is a real lack of infrastructure (soup kitchens etc) on the left, and that such services form the real basics of political engagement. I put that down to both the recent swing towards the post-modern individualism that's suspicious of big ideas or group solidarity (which has happened on both the left and right), and just a plain lack of people. Occupy is the prototypical example here, they were so concerned about procedure and fearful of a lack of 'concensus' that they became totally ineffectual and useless. there was a nice local seminar by a few occupy people about just how big of a shitshow it was. the big takeaway from it was you need to have decision trees and plans in place ahead of time, and the only time you need to deal with dumb consensus is when things are outside the normal structure or think you can make a case for deliberately breaking rules for some reason like, litterally dont give people the power to ruin things for others or make bad choices, codify it ahead of time. but people associate rules with government and 'the state' = bad StashAugustine posted:the really funny thing is that this is basically what conservatives are always saying about private charity and yet they will be 100% against it i think the term conservative has had a huge recycling in the last 50 years to mean something completely different. GOP isn't very conservative these days just like communism is soviet & bad when russia stopped at authoritarianism and never actually made it to communism
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American flag Spartan guy is extremely loving funny, but unfortunately its probably not a joke
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