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what lessons should american progressives draw from Macron's massive victory over his right-wing rival?
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you'd be better off asking what lessons will they learn from marcon's victory the answer is not a goddamn thing op
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May 9, 2017 01:23
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bernie would have won
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May 9, 2017 01:23
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don't blame me i voted for president of france barack obama
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May 9, 2017 01:24
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sorry i revise my statement le bernie would have won
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May 9, 2017 01:28
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What if marcon doesnt do anything helpful or effective?
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May 9, 2017 01:32
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Al! posted:sorry i revise my statement
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May 9, 2017 01:49
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Run a center-left to center-right third way politician who is friendly to banks wait gently caress oh no never mind.
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May 9, 2017 01:54
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KiteAuraan posted:Run a center-left to center-right third way politician who is friendly to banks wait gently caress oh no never mind. as opposed to a far right politician who is friendly to banks there is no alternative to capitalism submit to your profit seeking overlords
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May 9, 2017 01:56
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Flavahbeast posted:what lessons should american progressives draw from Macron's massive victory over his right-wing rival? Run competent, reasonably charismatic politicians who are not loathed by 60% of the nation and you can basically curbstomp fascists every drat day regardless of any political triangulation. Also, support public education cuz our voters are dumber than sticks. Vox Nihili has issued a correction as of 02:27 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 02:00
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KiteAuraan posted:Run a center-left to center-right third way politician who is friendly to banks wait gently caress oh no never mind. Bloomberg Would Have Won.
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May 9, 2017 02:24
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We gotta get hot for teacher
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May 9, 2017 02:31
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that nazis can't place higher than "gently caress them both, im not voting"
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May 9, 2017 02:47
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He technically won against "none of the above" by a somewhat narrow turnout OP
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May 9, 2017 02:47
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donald j trump was the worst thing to happen to the worldwide far-right populist movement
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May 9, 2017 02:48
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Vox Nihili posted:Run competent, reasonably charismatic politicians who are not loathed by 60% of the nation and you can basically curbstomp fascists every drat day regardless of any political triangulation. Half of Macron's support in the second round came from people who hate him. The second round had a record number of abstentions even. It's not so much that the center opposition to Le Pen was somehow charismatic, but that right wing nationalism never had a chance in France in the first place. The reason Trump got elected was because a ton of run of the mill mainstream Republican shitheads held their noses and voted for him, because it was Trump or Satan. Meanwhile the French political system is far more representative, and Macron isn't offensive to conservative sensibilities in the same way that Hillary is.
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May 9, 2017 03:05
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Half of Macron's support in the second round came from people who hate him. The second round had a record number of abstentions even. It's not so much that the center opposition to Le Pen was somehow charismatic, but that right wing nationalism never had a chance in France in the first place. The reason Trump got elected was because a ton of run of the mill mainstream Republican shitheads held their noses and voted for him, because it was Trump or Satan. Meanwhile the French political system is far more representative, and Macron isn't offensive to conservative sensibilities in the same way that Hillary is. The real reason Trump was elected was because a bunch of blue collar Dems/indies either abstained or flipped to Trump. GOP voters were always his.
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May 9, 2017 03:39
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Bernie would have hella won running as an independent
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May 9, 2017 03:55
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Vox Nihili posted:The real reason Trump was elected was because a bunch of blue collar Dems/indies either abstained or flipped to Trump. GOP voters were always his.  GOP voters were Trump's in a way that conservative voters weren't Le Pen's is the point. In the American system Les Républicains would have been pressured from the beginning to accept Le Pen as their nominee, and they'd seemingly have no real choice but to vote in line with their party. Instead they got their chance to vote for Fillon, and then a plurality voted for Macron in the second round because they felt he represented them more than Le Pen - who technically doesn't. They're not even in the same party. American elections are explicitly binary by design, which encourages a more general binary split in the general public as well.
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May 9, 2017 04:09
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Uncle Wemus posted:What if marcon doesnt do anything helpful or effective? that's a 'when' question, not 'if'
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May 9, 2017 04:30
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your candidate should be married to a woman in her mid-60s at 39
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May 9, 2017 05:24
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Abolish the electoral college? 
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May 9, 2017 06:09
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We should be promoting electoral trade school anyway
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May 9, 2017 07:38
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I'd love to read a profile of the people who voted for Le Pen in the first round and Macron in the second.
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May 9, 2017 08:03
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run a young guy married to someone much older
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May 9, 2017 08:06
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'd love to read a profile of the people who voted for Le Pen in the first round and Macron in the second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU seriously, it may have been people protest voting then not actually going through with it
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May 9, 2017 08:59
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Al! posted:melenchon would have won
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May 9, 2017 09:07
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Hodgepodge posted:Abolish the electoral college?  you are absolutely right to think this, but lol if you think this will eva' happen, just  
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May 9, 2017 10:27
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Blatant Russian fuckery in elections is here to stay
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May 9, 2017 12:19
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The biggest lesson is that literally anyone can beat a fascist. Well anyone besides Hillary.
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May 9, 2017 13:45
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voting systems where people who win the majority of the votes win are cutting-edge technology that we should consider using.
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May 9, 2017 15:43
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Impermanent posted:voting systems where people who win the majority of the votes win are cutting-edge technology that we should consider using. 
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May 9, 2017 16:40
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*looks at suck zone* ehhhh, i dont think they will i think maybe that the American left could learn once they actually have an agenda and are coming from a place to actually function enough to do so awful hard when they're busy idpol'ing and purity testing like a bunch o dobbers and want to lord moral superiority above all else, especially even when it comes to body counts in the middle east as a prop for their "my morals are actually good unlike yours" soapbox "so please look at the dead baby syrian pictures and FEEL something from it, you animal. loving pore over it and examine every gory detail to fully acknowledge the horrific event that transpired and make sure that your synapses record every single sound, sight, feeling, and smell to make it "a legitimate grievance as much as possible" and totally miss the trees for the forest as we move onto some other transitional topic in Leftist politics that fires the same synaptic impulse getting off on from dead baby syrians to flout my moral superiority once again as we debate why we're appropriating cultures and Economics is Racism and Racism is Economics quagmire forever. Speaking of culture, thats the key difference to America and France innit. Americans don't realize how outspoken they really are so the constitution gave carte blanche to a bunch of assholes 200 years later to be even more so and adds to the fear and noise. for the american "(center)left" ｈ ｕ ｂ ｒ ｉ ｓ is a bitch lmbo they won't OP, yer wasting yer breath~
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May 9, 2017 16:54
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Lastgirl posted:*looks at suck zone* They actually do have an agenda though. The problem is it's the exact same as the right, except they want to be nicer about it. They don't have any actual solutions that their base wants, so they have to resort to infighting and purity tests. We're stuck in the suck zone until 2018. If the center left cares more about suppressing what their constituents want than actually fighting the ghoulish poo poo republicans are passing, they're going to get rewarded for it by nobody coming out to vote for them
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May 9, 2017 17:05
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Business Gorillas posted:They actually do have an agenda though. The problem is it's the exact same as the right, except they want to be nicer about it. They don't have any actual solutions that their base wants, so they have to resort to infighting and purity tests. Fair enough  they just need to stop being collaborators. just stop. Don't throw the right a lifeline everytime for their messes, it makes you look weak or really just with them. Le Pen and Macron are vastly different creatures of their political machinations and that obviously helped distinguish that for their general public. Putin/Trump set enough of a precedent for that as well, considering the subtlety of their work~ I think our politics is full of labels that are so egregiously wrong that we actually should acknowledge that we don't really have any defining values that actually differentiates from the right as a unified statement, there's too many "single issues" that really adds to the binary aspect of American Politics, which Pener covered. The whole blue/red, yes/no shite. I think we will be quagmired forever because too many people are invested on personal topics (which is admirable) instead of taking a step back and seeing a long term goal, like idk winning and holding seats and getting people involved. But lol at the fact that the democrats, the party that is supposed to engage people are now disengaging them so loving hard. again ｈ ｕ ｂ ｒ ｉ ｓ
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May 9, 2017 17:14
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heres what you can learn Macron != Hillary Clinton in the personality department  
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May 9, 2017 17:16
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why did you censor baloogan's reddit posting
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May 9, 2017 17:35
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KiteAuraan posted:Run a center-left to center-right third way politician who is friendly to banks wait gently caress oh no never mind. Hmm, I think I would run a Red Center-Left Pickup 42 Hut Hut Hike but your suggestion is good too.
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May 9, 2017 17:41
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lol nothing at loving all Macron is literally French Bill Clinton or Tony Blair. The French business elite, media, and banks want to rip and tear the only remaining major Western social welfare system worth a drat, so they all lined up behind him. Le Pen was never going to win but now she can just sit back and say I told you so as inevitably bad poo poo happens. His entire presidency is going to be wracked by massive protests thanks to austerity and an increasingly bad security state. He is going to do that typical politician frowney face as he is owned over and over again until he is Holland'ed and has like 10% approval
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May 9, 2017 17:50
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ya buddy, thats called fascism and not democracy~ you're so close to realizing it but so far away
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