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Vox Nihili posted:Run competent, reasonably charismatic politicians who are not loathed by 60% of the nation and you can basically curbstomp fascists every drat day regardless of any political triangulation. Half of Macron's support in the second round came from people who hate him. The second round had a record number of abstentions even. It's not so much that the center opposition to Le Pen was somehow charismatic, but that right wing nationalism never had a chance in France in the first place. The reason Trump got elected was because a ton of run of the mill mainstream Republican shitheads held their noses and voted for him, because it was Trump or Satan. Meanwhile the French political system is far more representative, and Macron isn't offensive to conservative sensibilities in the same way that Hillary is.
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Vox Nihili posted:The real reason Trump was elected was because a bunch of blue collar Dems/indies either abstained or flipped to Trump. GOP voters were always his.  GOP voters were Trump's in a way that conservative voters weren't Le Pen's is the point. In the American system Les Républicains would have been pressured from the beginning to accept Le Pen as their nominee, and they'd seemingly have no real choice but to vote in line with their party. Instead they got their chance to vote for Fillon, and then a plurality voted for Macron in the second round because they felt he represented them more than Le Pen - who technically doesn't. They're not even in the same party. American elections are explicitly binary by design, which encourages a more general binary split in the general public as well.
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May 9, 2017 04:09
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I'd love to read a profile of the people who voted for Le Pen in the first round and Macron in the second.
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May 9, 2017 08:03
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