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Hieronymous Alloy
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Morbid Hound
Project Gutenberg - http://www.gutenberg.org

- A database of over 17000 books available online. If you can suggest books from here, that'd be the best.

SparkNotes - http://www.sparknotes.com/

- A very helpful Cliffnotes-esque site, but much better, in my opinion. If you happen to come in late and need to catch-up, you can get great character/chapter/plot summaries here.

:siren: For recommendations on future material, suggestions on how to improve the club, or just a general rant, feel free to PM me. :siren:

Past Books of the Month

[for BOTM before 2014, refer to archives]

2014:
January: Ursula K. LeGuin - The Left Hand of Darkness
February: Mikhail Bulgalov - Master & Margarita
March: Richard P. Feynman -- Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!
April: James Joyce -- Dubliners
May: Gabriel Garcia Marquez -- 100 Years of Solitude
June: Howard Zinn -- A People's History of the United States
July: Mary Renault -- The Last of the Wine
August: Barbara Tuchtman -- The Guns of August
September: Jane Austen -- Pride and Prejudice
October: Roger Zelazny -- A Night in the Lonesome October
November: John Gardner -- Grendel
December: Christopher Moore -- The Stupidest Angel

2015:
January: Italo Calvino -- Invisible Cities
February: Karl Ove Knausgaard -- My Struggle: Book 1.
March: Knut Hamsun -- Hunger
April: Liu Cixin -- 三体 ( The Three-Body Problem)
May: John Steinbeck -- Cannery Row
June: Truman Capote -- In Cold Blood
(Hiatus)
August: Ta-Nehisi Coates -- Between the World and Me
September: Wilkie Collins -- The Moonstone
October:Seth Dickinson -- The Traitor Baru Cormorant
November:Svetlana Alexievich -- Voices from Chernobyl
December: Michael Chabon -- Gentlemen of the Road

2016:
January: Three Men in a Boat (To say nothing of the Dog!) by Jerome K. Jerome
February:The March Up Country (The Anabasis) of Xenophon
March: The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco
April: Plain Tales from the Hills by Rudyard Kipling
May: Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima
June:The Vegetarian by Han Kang
July:Lud-in-the-Mist by Hope Mirrlees
August: Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov
September:Siddhartha by Herman Hesse
October:Right Ho, Jeeves by P.G. Wodehouse
November:Kitchen Confidential by Anthony Bourdain
December: It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis

2017:
January: Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut
February: The Plague by Albert Camus
March: The Dispossessed by Ursula K. LeGuin
April: The Conference of the Birds (مقامات الطیور) by Farid ud-Din Attar

Current:

I, Claudius by Robert Graves



Book available here:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J3W9JQW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

About the book:

quote:

I, Claudius (1934) is a novel by English writer Robert Graves, written in the form of an autobiography of the Roman Emperor Claudius. Accordingly, it includes the history of the Julio-Claudian Dynasty and the Roman Empire, from Julius Caesar's assassination in 44 BC to Caligula's assassination in 41 AD.

The 'autobiography' of Claudius continues (from Claudius' accession after Caligula's death, to his own death in 54) in Claudius the God (1935). The sequel also includes a section written as a biography of Herod Agrippa, contemporary of Claudius and future King of the Jews. The two books were adapted by the BBC into an award-winning television serial, I, Claudius.

In 1998 the Modern Library ranked I, Claudius fourteenth on its list of the 100 best English-language novels of the 20th century. In 2005, the novel was chosen by Time as one of the one hundred best English-language novels from 1923 to present.[2]

quote:

The I, Claudius novels, as they are called collectively, became massively popular when first published in 1934 and gained literary recognition with the award of the 1934 James Tait Black Prize for fiction. They are probably Graves's best known work aside from his myth essay The White Goddess, his English translation of The Golden rear end and his own autobiography Goodbye to All That. Graves later claimed that they were written only from financial need on a strict deadline. Nonetheless, they are today regarded as pioneering masterpieces of historical fiction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Claudius

About the Author

quote:

Robert von Ranke Graves (also known as Robert Ranke Graves and most commonly Robert Graves; 24 July 1895 – 7 December 1985)[1] was an English poet, novelist, critic and classicist. In a way similar to Oscar Wilde, Robert Graves was a Celticist and student of Irish mythology, by the influence of his father Alfred Perceval Graves a celebrated Irish poet — with William Wilde these families were inheritors of the Gaelic revival. He produced more than 140 works. Graves's poems—together with his translations and innovative analysis and interpretations of the Greek myths; his memoir of his early life, including his role in the First World War, Good-Bye to All That; and his speculative study of poetic inspiration, The White Goddess—have never been out of print.[2] Irish literature deeply affected Graves' White Goddess theories, specifically the genre aisling.



Historical Context

quote:


Claudius was the fourth Emperor of Rome (r. 41–54 AD). Historically, Claudius' family kept him out of public life until his sudden coronation at the age of forty nine. This was due to his being perceived as being a dolt due to his stammering, limp and other nervous tics. This made others see him as mentally deficient and also therefore not a threat to his ambitious relatives. Even as his symptoms begin to wane in his teenage years, he runs into trouble for his work as a budding historian. His work on a history of the civil wars was too truthful and too critical of the reigning emperor Augustus, and his mother and grandmother quickly put a stop to it. This episode reinforced their initial suspicions that Claudius was not fit for public office. This is how he was defined by scholars for most of history, and Graves uses these peculiarities to develop a sympathetic character whose survival in a murderous dynasty depends upon his family's incorrect assumption that he is a harmless idiot.

Graves's interpretation of the story owes much to the histories of Gaius Cornelius Tacitus, Plutarch, and (especially) Suetonius (Lives of the Twelve Caesars). Graves translated Suetonius before writing the novels. Graves claimed that after he read Suetonius, Claudius came to him in a dream one night and demanded that his real story be told. The life of Claudius provided Graves with a way to write about the first four Emperors of Rome (Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius) from an intimate point of view.

In addition, the real Claudius was a trained historian and is known to have written an autobiography (now lost) in eight books that covered the same time period. I, Claudius is a first-person narrative of Roman history from the reigns of Augustus to Caligula; Claudius the God is written as a later addition documenting Claudius' own reign.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Claudius

Pacing

Just read, then Post.

Please bookmark the thread to encourage discussion.

References and Further Reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Claudius_(TV_series)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Caesars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutarch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus

http://mentalfloss.com/article/65267/12-things-you-might-not-know-about-i-claudius

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10096739/I-Claudius-what-HBO-can-learn-from-the-BBC-classic.html

Final Note:

Thanks, and I hope everyone enjoys the book!

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Walh Hara posted:

This is a really good book. I'm not sure how historically accurate it is, but I found it extremely enjoyable. Recent I read "Count Belissarius" by him, which was also very good but not as amazing.

I'm no classicist but my understanding has always been that Graves was and that this book is as historically accurate as it can be given the premise, the subject matter, and the limited and politicized nature of the historical record.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

General Emergency posted:

I think you are underselling it. The production budget isn't exactly one the level of Game of Thrones but other than that it's great. I own it on DVD and have watched it multiple times.

Derek Jacobi is the perfect Claudius, Brian Blessed hams it up as the perfect Augustus, and Patrick Stewart wears a wig. What more do you want?

I suspect you might not have Game of Thrones on HBO today, without I Claudius on BBC back then.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
For next month I'm probably going to pick either Nixonland or All the President's Men. Maybe Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Pigsfeet on Rye posted:

What? You're not going to go with "Claudius the God"? Shame. This thread reminded me that I have both books from years ago; I'm rereading them now, and they're still great. Claudius really comes across as a real person, somewhat awkward in the construction of his private writing. They're really interesting books that pack a lot of amazing history into them.



My general thought process is that these BotMs are kindof a tasting tour, so I generally avoid sequels -- I figure my work is done by pointing out the first one, and people who like it can continue on to the sequel and discuss that too if they want.

That said, sure, I can include it in the poll (which I should be getting up sometime this weekend). Any other suggestions besides Nixon Lit?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

chernobyl kinsman posted:

Yeah, he was right. See e.g. the reception subheading on the wiki for The Greek Myths. Or, for a more comprehensive takedown of virtually everything he says, see this review. That was written in 1955, and the book's merit in the eyes of scholars hasn't improved since then.

Graves' mythological work is, as a general rule, batshit. The Greek Myths are less batshit than The White Goddess, which is extraordinarily batshit, but it's batshit nonetheless. They're both good reading, but their scholarly value is nill.

Good to know actually. I have a copy of The White Goddess and I never got that far into it because it kept tripping my bullshit flags.

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Morbid Hound
C'mon peeps. Gimme some good suggestions, I need a couple more.

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