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https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/861764728753926144

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This guy seems to think everyone on the left is antifa. Which Trump supporters also do, coincidentally.

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http://time.com/4797521/russia-orthodox-gay-marriage-nazi-germany/

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Jose posted:

dershowitz supporting the party full of nonces eh? big surprise

loving lol

https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/871015594040143873

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hakimashou posted:

To be fair they put their lives on the line to fight trying to save their people from communism, that's legit heroic, identical to dying fighting the nazis.

Can't tell if serious.

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Plutonis posted:

My hot take: last year, starting with Bernie, a group of young white heterosexual malcontents decided that a party focused on women and minorities should change itself to accommodate them. (Whom do you think "economic issues" benefit most?) They've been taught from birth that they should control everything and everything should be about them, so why not the Democratic Party?

The diehard Hillary people genuinely believe this.

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Plutonis posted:

it's from the GAF

The what?

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Lol

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Since no one has pointed it out, we wouldn't in fact need to go broke for everyone with cancer in the US to receive treatment.

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hakimashou posted:

There's an amazing lack of self-reflection when someone complains that the presence of Jews makes them feel 'unsafe' but doesnt get far enough to think that maybe Jews feel even more unsafe when they are singled out and excluded for being Jews because its something that's happened to their people before pretty recently.

Or maybe they are thoughtful people but they just don't care how a Jew feels.

Wasn't it an accident and they thought she was a Zionist?

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hakimashou posted:

What is a zionist except a Jew who wants to be safe for a change?

Jesus Christ get away from me

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I agree with the guy that slavery would have ended on its own but I might be biased since I don't think the US should ever have attacked the Confederacy in the first place.

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It would be cool if people knelt like they were being knighted when they gave blowjobs though.

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Autism Sneaks posted:

that's like the opposite of a hot take

I think a take that's so cold it burns can qualify. That's Hakimashou's takes, after all.

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Is Mastio implying that tax evasion is brave?

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Is the answer no?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

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Minty posted:

this one is correct though? Science is a process for building models that reflect our perceptions of reality. It isn't capital-T Truth

or are you going to argue race science was True

The results of science doesn't need to reflect our preexisting perceptions of reality, that's the whole point. Science is a process to seek truth, and out of all such processes it's the most likely to give us literal truths.

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Modest Mao posted:

nah

even science anticipates current models being overturned by future models which better describe data etc

like not even science reads your fantasy story above to itself before bed

Current models being overturned to be more accurate doesn't contradict what I said, it supports it.

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Hodgepodge posted:

this process is predicated on understanding that science does not create knowledge, but is rather a method by which we test assumptions for errors

what you are calling 'knowledge' is our 'preexisting perceptions of reality.' science works due to the understanding that those perceptions being based on science does not make them true.

Exactly. I didn't say that preexisting perceptions had to be unscientifically created. Nor did I mean to imply that the results of the scientific process are to be set in stone as the one truth forever. Hypotheses are by definition falsifiable, and experiments repeatable, for a reason.

Also since we're getting philosophical here, I should specify that when I said "literal truth" I mean practical truth as opposed to absolute truth, i.e. it's useful to us as humans but we can't be 100% certain of it in a philosophical sense.

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Minty posted:

Science literally can not seek "Truth", as you already pointed out yourself. It merely creates models, which must be able to make predictions. If those models do not make predictions that align with our actual observations, then we (hopefully) form new models that do. Those observations, whether direct or indirect, are absolutely governed by our current perceptions. And those models, no matter how accurate or precise, are not reality. C'est n'est pas une pipe and all.

I guess you and I were using the word "perception" differently. But for practical purposes, if a model can be explained by a process, and that process is something that exists in physical reality (which we have know way to really know yadda yadda yadda) then science has found a truth at least in the colloquial sense. And of all our methods of inquiry it's the best at doing that. That's all I'm saying. I think a few folks (or maybe just Modest Mao) have a chip on their shoulder and want to assume because I defended science I'm a positivist, or I think science is God, or at the very least I loving Love It, but no. I just think it's useful.

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Minty posted:

I'm just going to say you are confusing symbols with what they represent, and should probably read more on epistemology, especially in regards to representationalism and realism

The word is not the thing, a map is not a territory, etc etc

I understand that c'est n'est pas une pipe. But colloquially an accurate representation can be "truth." I don't think you and I even disagree, there's just definition confusion.

Minty posted:

eta: no one is "attacking" science here; I've been trained as a physicist myself. I don't get where you think you are "defending" it

Chill. I misunderstood what you meant by "perceptions" and wanted to clear up what I thought you mean by the relationship between science and truth. I'm not trying to paint you as anti-science.

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This is genuinely one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

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How can someone look at incarceration rates and think black people have immunity from conviction?

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Every tweet that guy makes should be accompanied by galaxy brain

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It's hosed up that Jeb Lund used photoshop to a racist caricature of this guy.

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Mermaid Autopsy posted:

It was a pretty good way of framing it so NFL fans would understand until you got to the "I don't know what they're really protesting" part

On the other hand, "I don't know what they're really protesting" was extreme honesty from him.

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Very hot.

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A mere 5 rapes

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General Dog posted:

Roe v Wade is why college basketball is so lovely now

WHat

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I can't even make it to the pearl clutching over the Stalin movie because of the stuff before it about how good it is to hit children

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Algund Eenboom posted:

i found the axis mundi of hot takes https://fee.org/articles/

I've never in my life seen such pure neoliberalism

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Lot going on here

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I've heard a lot of people, especially older people, use "communist" to mean "Stalinist" and "socialist" to mean "social democrat," though. Including one Bernie Sanders.

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Holy poo poo Cornel West's tooth gap is real, I thought he just put a raisin there for effect

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He's referring to the rise of "illiberal democracy" but you basically can't have liberalism without democracy

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

that’s not technically true

Depends on your definition of liberalism because some include democracy

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