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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Mortabis posted:

At no point did he really believe in limits to his own authority. He tried to pack the supreme court. He ran for office four times. He was constantly pushing against the boundaries of federal power in the constitution. He enabled J. Edgar Hoover's abuses of the FBI. And so on.
Call me a fascist, but I do think one stepping over their own power is necessary when in a corrupt and dysfunctional government. I would have little problem with one trying to pack/fix the Supreme court or running for multiple terms. J. Edgar Hoover was lovely though.

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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I recall hearing on Hardcore History that Woodrow Wilson almost locked up tens of thousands of socialists in Chicago or something into some type of camp. Memory is a little fuzzy.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Could people elaborate what makes Wilson so lovely besides the proposed socialist camp. I looked him up on Google but all the criticisms I see come from the far right.

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Dec 11, 2010

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This reminds me of when the Federalist Party put in forth laws saying it was illegal to criticize the government.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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get that OUT of my face posted:

theresa may is about as bad as trump but the british political system is going to keep the tories there for longer than a trump-led GOP

the post of current leaders worse than trump is missing Duterte, who is what trump would strive to be if a 200+ year old political system of checks and balance weren't holding him down

I was under the impression that the Filipino government was designed around the United States political system. Then again I go this information from a Vice documentary...

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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get that OUT of my face posted:

especially in the legislature where its members don't really stick with one political party and ride the wave of popular sentiment
What prevents this from happening in the U.S.? Serious question.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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get that OUT of my face posted:

also their presidential election system is terrible because you can get far short of 50% between a few candidates and still win outright, as duterte did
This can still happen in the U.S. Such is the result of a FPTP system with no run-off.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Helsing posted:

Putin is a monster but if you take a completely nihilistic view of foreign and domestic politics then you can make the case that he has rebuilt a country that was on the verge of collapse when he took power. Trump by contrast is gonna leave America a lot worse for wear by the time he's done.

I think Erdogan or Maduro would top the list of national leaders who are even worse for their respective countrys than the Donald.

What makes Erogodan as bad as Maduro?

Also, would Chavez really be that much different than Maduro?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Ze Pollack posted:

Chavez had the Chavez cult of personality to cover up any radical shifts to cover his rear end.

Maduro's stuck trying to live up to Chavez' example if he wants to hold onto power, something Chavez never had to bother doing

Didn't Maduro just continue Chavez's policies?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Ze Pollack posted:

yes. continuing Chavez' policies is a thing Chavez never had to worry about.

let me put it this way: Thomas Jefferson never had to give two shits about what the Founding Fathers would have done. the answer was "what I decided to do, bitch." doesn't matter if it was a total reversal of what he said yesterday.

cult of personality papers over a lot of requests for consistency

My point is that Venezuela wasn't as much of a shithole as it was under Chavez. Though it was clearly deteriorating. One could argue that Chavez merely didn't live long enough to see his nation crumble.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Mortabis posted:

The problem with Venezuela isn't oil dependence. It's the price controls and nationalizing of industries. It never works and never will. Legislating prices is like legislating the value of pi. It's like trying to make water flow uphill. As the oil industry crumbles we see the same thing happening there that happened in Zimbabwe when Mugabe repossessed the farms. He took the one cornerstone industry and handed it to political cronies. In reality it should have just been left in private hands where it was most productive. Surprise! Now they have unbelievable inflation.

e: from the perspective of remaining in power, of course, nationalization is a totally sensible move. Free assets you can use to reward your allies.

Norway has the same percentage of their workers working in nationalized industries as Venezuela does. It's all about what gets nationalized and how it is designed to function.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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P-Mack posted:

It was his opponents that tried the log cabin and cider line, which backfired spectacularly.

Do tell.

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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P-Mack posted:

Basically they wanted to portray him as a frontier simpleton unfit for and disinterested I the intellectual demands of the office, so someone said something like, "he'd be just as happy in a log cabin with a jug of hard cider as in the white house." This may have played as intended with the big city folks, but since the franchise had been expanded there were an awful lot of log cabin dwelling cider drinkers for whom it made them like Harrison more. The Harrison campaign leaned into it and brought cider to rallies which was generally a good way to win friends.

Free cider at rallies? I'd go.

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