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Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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Putin is a monster but if you take a completely nihilistic view of foreign and domestic politics then you can make the case that he has rebuilt a country that was on the verge of collapse when he took power. Trump by contrast is gonna leave America a lot worse for wear by the time he's done.

I think Erdogan or Maduro would top the list of national leaders who are even worse for their respective countrys than the Donald.

Helsing has issued a correction as of 14:42 on May 17, 2017

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Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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punk rebel ecks posted:

What makes Erogodan as bad as Maduro?

Also, would Chavez really be that much different than Maduro?

Erdogan has systematically alienated every neighboring power as well as the United States. He also made some gambles in Syria that are now blowing up in his face. And while his short term grip on power seems absolute he is laying the conditions for long term instability and possibly even a civil war. He's very similar to Putin in some ways but whereas Putin found a weak and divided country and brought some stability while \raised its international profile it seems like Erdogan is leading his own nation in the opposite direction.

Chavez was more charismatic than Maduro but yeah, too much cronyism and banking on the assumption that the oil boom would never end were decisions that would have come back to bite the Venezuelan government in the rear end no matter who was in power.

Mortabis posted:

The problem with Venezuela isn't oil dependence. It's the price controls and nationalizing of industries. It never works and never will. Legislating prices is like legislating the value of pi. It's like trying to make water flow uphill. As the oil industry crumbles we see the same thing happening there that happened in Zimbabwe when Mugabe repossessed the farms. He took the one cornerstone industry and handed it to political cronies. In reality it should have just been left in private hands where it was most productive. Surprise! Now they have unbelievable inflation.

e: from the perspective of remaining in power, of course, nationalization is a totally sensible move. Free assets you can use to reward your allies.

Yeah, remember what a disaster World War II was for the American economy?

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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lol

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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When asked to consider the performance of the economy during the greatest war effort in history a neoliberal's first reaction is "durrrr rationing bad"

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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P-Mack posted:

Of course it's bad, that's why we don't do it in peacetime.

Of course rationing is bad when it isn't necessary, that's entirely beside the point and it's a dumb as gently caress follow up to the even dumber idea that it's literally impossible for the government to regulate prices because apparently prices are as immutably fixed as gravity or mathematical constants.

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Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

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I would love to see what a neoliberal approach to a total war economy would look like

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