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SlipkPIe posted:Oh god, this does seem like a real possibility. It would be incredibly disturbing, which means it's probably likely I doubt David Lynch would make evil hereditary.
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Jun 8, 2017 15:06
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tap my mountain posted:Who said anything about rape? Kyle said he didn't like a relationship with Audrey because it goes against Coop's morals, whereas that's all out the window with Evil Coop I can just imagine what a healthy and caring relationship they'd have  
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Jun 8, 2017 17:38
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moist turtleneck posted:Maybe evil coop is nice to Audrey because who wouldn't with those eye brows and dance moves The doppelganger is definitely into love taps, I know that much.
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Jun 8, 2017 17:44
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COOL CORN posted:I'm on S2E9 right now... should I skip straight from this to the finale? Are you already bored? I would just see how unwatchable the season gets first. You're gonna miss some good stuff if you skip right to the finale. I mean, you can still fast forward through scenes that seem to go nowhere (especially the ones with James in them), but what's wrong with giving it a shot?
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Jun 9, 2017 20:10
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:yes, except teenage she-hulk nadine really shouldn't be skipped and is a bright spot in an otherwise crappy midseason Nadine is good, Major Briggs is great, Gordon is fantastic. The second part of season two as a whole, however, is a special kind of aimless, embarrassing tedium that might just prevent your friends from finishing Twin Peaks. Seeing as this would be a bad thing, I recommend skipping dumb poo poo if they can't handle it.
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Jun 9, 2017 21:19
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Attitude Indicator posted:i thought this was a given, just a bunch of people popping in because they want twin peaks on their resume. But then again, you never know. Season finale: "When I told you that my dharma was the road, I was not entirely truthful, sheriff Truman. My actual dharma, which I've been concealing from both you and my parents, who I love very much, is the Black Lodge." *Truman looks unfazed and tired* And More fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 01:51
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J_RBG posted:The best comedy is also crushingly sad. Don Quixote is about a guy who loses his mind and causes damage to the ones he loves. As he gains notoriety people play a bunch of tricks on him for lols. Only when he's dying does he realise his entire quest was in vain. Strongly disagree. Dr. Strangelove isn't sad at all.
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Jun 15, 2017 14:06
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kaworu posted:Is there really such harm in pointing this stuff out? You really shouldn't have made it sound like it was subtle. Watching that scene again, it's a really obvious effect. If something similar happens when Cooper kills Darya, it's not nearly as noticeable.
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Jun 17, 2017 23:43
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DentArthurDent posted:drat, watching that scene really drove home how much I am missing the real Dale Cooper in the 2017 series. I think it would be a shame if Cooper didn't come to his senses soon. Dougie is amusing/depressing, but I'm not exactly invested in him. He's so lucky that there barely are any stakes. If MIKE hadn't been all: "Don't die!" I probably wouldn't have bothered taking the murder-dwarf all that serious, either. Then again, it would be pretty hilarious if the doppelganger somehow got taken down by Dougie. Magic Hate Ball posted:every night i kiss my Dale Cooper life-size cardborad standup on the Lips and I make a prayer that he will be returned unto us by our great television friends Lynch and Frist and i feel the energy burning in me 
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Jun 18, 2017 19:50
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Erata posted:Get that man a pushbroom.  The Roadhouse has been swept with a soft broom for 57 years. They're not gonna stop now because of a couple of whiny nerds.
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Jun 19, 2017 09:38
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BigFactory posted:I drifted where the current chose That's clearly referencing BOBs death bag. You also left out this part: quote:The foggy cavern's musty grime which is clearly that weird stuff they scraped off the gun. My coffee also left a pattern on my napkin, and I'm fairly sure it points towards Dougie becoming a roaming motorcyclist. 
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Jun 19, 2017 13:55
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Franchescanado posted:Also, Clint Eastwood's a terrible example. Dude films like Roger Corman, doing things in 3 takes, usually under budget. He gets to make big Hollywood movies because they're usually super cheap and he's really fast and turning them over. Almost he complete opposite of Lynch. Now Ridley Scott says he's got, what, 5 more Alien movies he wants to film himself, and he's 79 I mean, Ridley Scott is also a bad example because, despite seemingly working very hard on all his movies, most of them are dull and badly written.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:06
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Franchescanado posted:He's got some big, well-received movies: Alien, Prometheus, Alien: Covenant, Blade Runner, Gladiator, The Martian, Thelma & Louis, Legend, Hannibal, Matchstick Men, American Gangster, Black Hawk Down. I'd call half of the films you listed badly written and dull, but that's taste, I guess. You didn't say a word about baby boomers, though. Roger Corman didn't make movies for baby boomers.  NO LISTEN TO ME posted:Theory: Dougie wears green because the only way Cooper will wake up is if Dougie smokes a fat one No joke, the last episode made me suddenly realise that Dougie is probably named in reference to the Douglas firs Coop loved so much. That poo poo went straight over my head for six solid hours.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:40
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hawowanlawow posted:Lynch should direct a VR short film He should make a cow care simulator.
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Jun 19, 2017 22:14
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Star Platinum posted:Speaking of which, was this episode the first time they played Laura Palmer's theme aside from that scene where Bobby sees her picture? It really caught my ear because they used it all the time in the old series during the ominous sweeping shots of the town and the woods and this is the first time I remember it being used in that way in the new series. It was also playing while Andy was waiting for that one dude to show up. This episode has definitely had a spike in Badalamenti soundtrack, or even soundtrack in general.
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Jun 20, 2017 13:48
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Franchescanado posted:They are vocal fans of the guy, doesn't mean he listens to them, let alone him going to over 300 shows. You're being had. That Lynch is way too small.
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Jun 20, 2017 15:04
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JazzFlight posted:Oh cool, it's like the Bigger Luke Theory. Nah, it's the "I reverse image searched that picture because it looked weird".
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Jun 20, 2017 15:24
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Franchescanado posted:Let's consult the Phish song again. I found it right away: quote:Just then a porthole pirate Definitely rape.
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Jun 20, 2017 18:04
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LawfulWaffle posted:likely due to the influence of tainted genetic code Evil is hereditary, kids. If your parents are evil, you're probably also evil.  There were definitely some trauma-vibes from Diane, and evil Cooper visiting a comatose Audrey also sounds pretty bad. Honestly, I just find it really hard to swallow that all this poo poo is Cooper's fault. He wasn't supposed to gently caress up this badly. 
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Jun 20, 2017 21:26
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Escobarbarian posted:lol I'm sorry you were so certain about your bad opinion but if you're gonna post stuff like that in here you should have the backbone to be able to handle being made fun of for it Bown, where does this attitude of general unpleasantness come from?
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Jun 21, 2017 15:46
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Thank you for actually recognising my quote.  Are we sure Escobarbarian has actually watched Twin Peaks? Are we only going to be pleasant to one another again once Cooper returns?
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Jun 21, 2017 18:35
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Franchescanado posted:Or, like, who Andy's dealing with and what happened there. I think Andy was investigating the hit and run. The guy who owned the car told him he wasn't the driver, but didn't want to immediately reveal Dick Horne's identity. The open door indicates to me that he got bumped off for talking to the police. There was a fancy white car passing by in the background after they were done talking, so… And More fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Jun 21, 2017 21:20
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Franchescanado posted:I admit that personally I interpret things darker because I think of worst-case-scenarios, especially with Lynch. Like, I was expecting Andy to meet up with the dude at 4 o'clock and get shot in the face or something. Honestly, I just want to hear Diane say it because every evil thing that the doppelganger does is absolutely on Cooper, and I think less of him every time the doppelganger gets away with it.
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Jun 21, 2017 21:24
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Franchescanado posted:I don't think I understand this logic. Yes, the reason Booper was able to get out of the Lodge was because Cooper felt fear/failed the trials and then Booper overtook Cooper and beat him to the exit. Cooper enabled the doppelganger to roam free wearing his face as a mask. He enjoyed a special kind of trust from everyone around him, and Cooper let some murderous psychopath abuse that trust to hurt the people close to him. So far, Albert, the major, Audrey and Diane have been tricked by the doppelganger. It's not like bullying Jeffrey Dahmer. It's like giving Dahmer the keys to your house so he can murder your family. King Keltair posted:To be fair, he was in a mad rush to save Annie, and certainly wasn't aware of the rules of the Lodge, the creation of dopples, or the 25 year window. Fairly brutal unintended consequences. Yeah, he was in a rush, but Hawk had warned him of doppelgangers. CJacobs posted:This is an interesting perspective. I guess you could look at it as Cooper being trapped in Dougie Hell being his penance for the suffering Bad Cooper has caused in his stead... but I don't think anyone can reasonably blame the guy for his weakness when confronting the Black Lodge at the end of season 2. He tried his best! Cooper should have never entered the Lodge. He thought he could just die to save Annie, when others had warned him that it wouldn't be that straightforward. Dougie doing nothing while all this poo poo is happening is definitely torture of some kind, though.
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Jun 21, 2017 21:49
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Franchescanado posted:I disagree. It's not like Coop said "Yo, mean guy, take my life and gently caress it up hardcore while I sit in this chair and play with coffee and talk to Laura for 25 years." He was trying to a possible-suicide mission to save a girl he liked/loved. Booper stole his life. He is a thief. With the Dahmer analogy, it's like a person was trying to stop a fight and got knocked out and someone stole his keys and murdered his family. Cooper definitely didn't consent to it, but he didn't take any precautions either. No warning to Truman or Hawk. Does he really go in alone because he wants to protect Truman or does he do it because he knows Truman would never let Cooper give his life to Earle? Trying to save Annie seems noble, but it turns out to be fundamentally selfish. Cooper's life may be ruined, but the major is apparently straight up dead, and Diane seems scarred for life. hawowanlawow posted:I doubt even Hawk would blame Cooper for his doppelganger, and a friend of Hawk's is a friend of mine. Hawk is a very patient and forgiving guy.
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Jun 21, 2017 22:22
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Shibawanko posted:That rules. Who's that on the horse? Looks like the man from another place on a horse emerging from the river while wielding a very odd looking machine gun.
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Jun 21, 2017 22:27
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Elias_Maluco posted:Here's something else problematic for us to discuss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX98-40IOdY gently caress you, IndieWire.
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Jun 21, 2017 22:31
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CJacobs posted:Your argument seems to hinge on things that we know as the viewer, and not what Cooper knew as a character within the show. I think retroactively blaming him for the results of his actions is kind of moot, considering he's not actually the one who orchestrated those results. Him going into the Black Lodge blind was a bad idea, yes, but it doesn't mean he is at fault for the havoc Bad Cooper has sown, as he had no way of knowing it was a possibility. I think my argument hinges more directly on Cooper knowing that entering the Black Lodge unprepared is a bad idea. Seeing the results of it just cements further how much of a bad idea it really was. Cooper saw what the Lodge did to the major, and Hawk even told him directly that he didn't believe Cooper could do it. Still, he didn't think it was necessary to take any precautions, which is why they just let the doppelganger leave. CJacobs posted:edit: And you're right that Coop is most of the reason for Bad Coop's freedom, but I think he will feel his share of guilt about that if or when he returns to his faculties, whether it's justified or not. How do you even apologise for something like this? I guess he's had 25 years to come up with something convincing. And More fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Jun 21, 2017 22:40
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Escobarbarian posted:I think Coop was definitely somewhat foolhardy in entering the Lodge but to take that as far as blaming all Evil Coop's actions on Coop is way too far. Whether or not he has a little responsibility is debatable, but it's nowhere near his fault. Sure, guilt is maybe a bit much, but he definitely made some very crucial dumb decisions. Modrasone posted:Let me try and bone this suicidal nun even though people shoot at me (to kill) every other week, that'll turn out well for her especially as my ex-partner who is literally a gnats nut away from opening a door to hell is out to get me. Little bitch couldn't even play his own chess game even though i'm sure the FBI mainframe could run stockfish in tyool 1990. Couldn't have put it any better. Season two Cooper is one dumb sonofabitch. We're better off with Dougie.  edit: At least Dougie knows how to karate chop a guy when the occasion calls for it.
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Jun 21, 2017 23:03
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Tupperwarez posted:IMO you need to go all in and have it be some poo poo like Devil King Cooper or Beast God Cooper. I'd like to recommend Ahpook, for maximum confusion.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:11
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Under the vegetable posted:https://archive.org/details/JackNanceeraserheadUnknownFetishFilmRole Season three may have a porny FBI agent, but where is porny Pete, huh? RIP Jack Nance.
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Jun 23, 2017 08:42
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Corsec posted:Either Cooper killed Windom Earle in the woods to protect Annie but failed to protect her from some form of harm, or Earle killed Annie and Cooper murdered him in response. Cooper then struggled to reconcile that with his self-image, because either he killed Earle in circumstances that wouldn't hold up to the standards of the FBI, or he failed to be again like the white knight that rescued Audrey. Cooper is the perfect manifestation of an ideal Authority who will always protect us. Cooper wouldn't straight-up murder a guy out of fear/rage, right? Failing to be that person is a ruinous defeat for Cooper. After that, he needed to disassociate himself from his original sense of self, hence drawing on Leland's fantasy to imagine that it was actually BOB who killed Earle. And so, BadCooper was born. I kind of agreed with your analysis up to this point. However, there is straight up no indication that Cooper harms anyone. Inside the Lodge, he notices that he has been stabbed, and follows his own blood trail to Earle who demands Cooper's soul. Coop willingly gives it to him in exchange for Annie. Cue Cooper getting stabbed. There is no struggle here, and BOB doesn't show up until all of this is already over. If anything, Cooper's failure is a lot more abstract than what you imply. The entire exchange with Earle basically goes according to Cooper's plan. He doesn't betray his ideals or falter in his conviction, but from the moment BOB appears he's decidedly up against more than he can handle. It's not entirely clear to me whether the doppelganger really has such a clear cut real world analogy as Leland's possession. You can't really say, bad Coop is a metaphor for childhood trauma, for example. Elias_Maluco posted:Its an interesting read indeed and I agree with a good part of it. But I cant rationalize half of the current season with we consider Dougie a "dream" Yeah, I'd argue it's pretty much impossible to read Twin Peaks in a completely literal fashion. There are simply some things that can't be explained without magic. How else did Laura end up writing those pages about Cooper and Annie? If Dougie is a dream, then he is simultaneously also real. We'd just have to accept the contradiction.
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Why are her cheeks so weird, though? That part really freaks me out.
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Corsec posted:Well, I think Cooper's last visit to the lodge is his retrospective dream after the traumatic event in the woods. It's a failed attempt to reinterpret actual events in the woods in a way that can sustain his prior identity. So, of course it would be an attempt to maintain Cooper's sense of innocence and protect himself by misrepresentating how any harm happened to Annie or Earle. The intial stages (until the poisoned coffee) of the dream is what Cooper wants and attempts to believe, but can't successfully force himself to accept. The later stages of the dream show the collapse of that attempt under internal psychological pressure. His self-doubt is planted by his guilt over Caroline Earle's murder. The non-subjective reality that I think happened is Cooper killed Earle and maybe harmed Annie or allowed her to come to harm. I don't mean to belittle you, but I feel your reasoning is flimsy. It seems solely based on the fact that something bad happens to Cooper involving BOB. You basically project what BOB meant to Leland onto Cooper. There is a pretty big logical leap from "Cooper is shown failing to sacrifice himself" to "Cooper murdered Earle and harmed Annie". For this to become valid, you'd have to disregard Cooper's entire character. We know that he tries to solve situations like this without bloodshed. There has even been a different hostage situation in which Cooper exchanged himself for the hostages. After two seasons of Cooper's peaceloving attitude, it would take more than that (aka him failing to win) to convince me that he killed anyone he didn't have to. Also, Cooper totally dislikes Pete's fish coffee. Your generalisation doesn't hold up. Maybe coffee's just that drat good in Twin Peaks.
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Baloogan posted:So the non-paranormal reading of the glass box is that its paranormal? Literal is kind of ambiguous here. It could mean "excluding a psychological/allegorical reading" and "without supernatural stuff". A psychological reading is allegorical, but doesn't necessarily exclude supernatural elements. A real-worldly reading, however, would include dream and allegory by necessity while disregarding supernatural elements. So, I suggest we drop the term literal because it's too vague. Now, let's discuss how film is actually dreamlike, and thus trying to determine reality within fiction is pointless.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2jUhnCU9iA
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Under the vegetable posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? Metaphorical doesn't mean paranormal. The initial post this post was responding to conflates paranormal and metaphorical. quote:The literal reading is usually nonsensical to some degree, and Twin Peaks is probably the most grounded in its literal layer. It is mostly disrupted by intrusions of the paranormal, which break that literal story because it doesn't fit in with reality Do you just randomly decide which posts to read or what?  crowoutofcontext posted:The dead couch couple are the New Cooper's dead spiritual parents and represent the silent violent birth of the 99% movement. Now this is a proper analogy.
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Lanz posted:ifeellikeicanunderstandthedesiretowanttoreadtwinpeakssupernaturalstuffassomehowbeingsomesortofsymbolicrepresentationofwhatwe'renotreally seeingbutatthesametimeitfeelsalittlemoreparadoxical? I agree with your argument, but can't condone your irrational hatred of stops.
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kaworu posted:They're not exactly wrong though Helping people with cognitive impairment is not a good example of toxic masculinity, imo.
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kaworu posted:reducing the entire 'Dougie' plotline as consisting of "helping people with cognitive impairment" sounds a bit absurd to me, but you're more than welcome to view his story in that context if you want. The analysis is extremely shallow, and reeks of "I really wanted to read it this way" to me. Let's start from the beginning then. No way to miss context there. quote:SUZETTE: Groundhog Day is a great example of this. Withnail and I another. Harold and Maude, The Pink Panther. I’m sure lots of examples come to mind. The entire element of Dougie being unable to go to the bathroom on his own screams dementia to me. They argue that he's behaving terribly, but he is clearly severely handicapped. This is not subtext. We know Cooper wasn't like this before he left the Lodge, and he's sure as hell not doing it on purpose. "He is even rewarded for it by ladies taking him to the bathroom" is just a ridiculous statement, and the woman trying to kiss Dougie is clearly overstepping some sort of boundary. She herself is weirded out by it only moments afterwards. And More fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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