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oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


The "Just You and I" scene is absolutely fantastic - the perfect culmination of the Mandy-James-Donna storyline. And then what happens after? Loved it on my first run, and love it in isolation, too. I've never understood why it gets trashed so regularly.

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oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


My guess - based on no actual evidence - is that Julee Cruise is going to be performing at the end of Episode 17 or 18.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Are you not finding every Dougie scene as loving hilarious as I am? Kyle MacLachlan is knocking the physical comedy out of the loving park

MacLachlan is absolutely brilliant in this. Dougie and DoppleCoop feel like they're played by two completely different actors - and I think I forgot they weren't until the end of the episode. It's like Mr. Hulot and Hannibal Lecter; totally different.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


In my dying moments, if I'm so lucky, I'd like to see the face of Harry Dean Stanton looking down at me like he did in tonight's episode.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


This *might* be a problem if Janey-E didn't kick so much rear end that she's basically the best character on the show. Yeah, Dougie's failing upwards, but it's pretty clear Janey-E is the one making most of it work.

Seriously - watch the scene where she tells off the loan sharks. A deconstruction of a toxically masculine mentality if there ever was one.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


This is fun...going through one of Lynch's art books tonight (The Air is on Fire) and found what looks like a drawing of the frograoch. It's not dated, but it obviously long predates the little guy's first appearance on screen.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


I thought this episode was fantastic. Laura is the one gave me serious goosebumps. I knew it was coming; it had to be from Margaret. But that doesn't lessen its power. The show is about her - it always has been. Can't wait to see where we're going next.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


funny way to spell posted:

Anyone know the song that played when post-coital Dougie is snuggling with Janey? It sounds like the song at the ending of episode 5.

It's "Slow Dreams" from Johnny Jewel's Windswept album. You can get the whole thing for like a buck on his web store.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


I thought Candie had some kind of a break after hitting Rodney with the remote, which is why she starts talking about the weather to Anthony: it's what she absorbed from the TV while she was up crying all night next to it. Sort of like a parallel to Dougie, almost.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


zeal posted:

david lynch is a loving rear end in a top hat

And it owns

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


zelah posted:

Y'all got me real spooked about Audrey now.

I'm so confused about the timeline. Does this RR scene with Bobby take place prior to the scene that Shelly talks to her daughter and asks her to come by? If so that would mean scenes are our of order both episode to episode and within the same episode. Why

I suspect it's because of the way the show was written - it was all one big screenplay, which has been divided into episodes only in the editing room. So episodes may have been put together thematically (fathers and sons last week) or scenes may have been moved around to fit the time slot. Frankly, I'm impressed it's as coherent as it is, time-wise. Dwayne Dunham should be a serious Emmy contender.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Solice Kirsk posted:

With out looking it up, what's their character's names?

Hutch and Chantal.

...I'm pretty sure, at least.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


cis autodrag posted:

I wanna see lost highway and inland empire cuz they're the only Lynch films I haven't seen, but they're not on Netflix and their pay only on Amazon, so I'd rather just buy Blu rays. What are the definitive versions?

There's not really a definitive version of Lost Highway on Blu-Ray or DVD, honestly. The Japanese Blu-Ray's decent, and I remember it being fairly cheap to import, but it's not a stellar package by any means.

With Inland Empire, your best bet is the 2-disc DVD, since the film was shot in SD anyway. Plus, it's got an amazing second film called "More Things that Happened" and a 20-minute video of David Lynch cooking quinoa. There's a Region B Blu-Ray, but I'm not sure either of those features is on it, and you'd be missing out.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


It's easy to forget him because of just how much insanity was in this episode, but shout out to "WE'RE. IN. THE. FBI. IT'S WHAT WE DO!!!!" guy.

EDIT: ^ poo poo.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Ahahahahahaha "Sarah Palmer" is trending on Twitter. God bless.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015



This owns.

Also, the only thing I can think of last week that would have changed is the Bobby stuff - his talk with Big Ed is definitely pre-expedition. But it's out of sequence as is, what with his mention of "yesterday."

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


hawowanlawow posted:

RIP old room service man :(

The Return on the whole has been stronger, I think, but it's basically impossible to top "I'm so sorry" as far as individual moments go.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Breadallelogram posted:

The only part of FWWM that I can remember not caring about is the Donna party stuff.

The Pink Room? That's got one of Lynch's best tracks (both musically and visually).

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


I love the way the FBI is portrayed in Twin Peaks: hyper-competent with supernatural nightmares, but totally out of their depth calling in the right Douglas and Jane Jones.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Wasn't the whole reason the FBI was called in to investigate because Teresa Banks's body had crossed state lines? Or am I misremembering?

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Uhhh Chantal and Hutch's deaths totally had a point: don't block people's driveways.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cooper came back and Audrey's in a coma.

But more importantly, Wilson proved he's a competent FBI agent. :3:

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


I suspect that, even if we've seen the last of Richard as a character, we're not done with his implications yet. In that sense, I hesitate to call him a narrative dead end.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


General Dog posted:

What were the two sources Booper got the trap coordinates from? Jeffries and who?

Probably Ray and Diane. I think Jeffries gave him the set of coordinates that didn't match.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Escobarbarian posted:

Dammit Bushnell smartphones don't have speed dial

I can definitely see him constantly calling his contacts list "speed dial" and having his grandkids roll their eyes.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


I assume DoppelCoop sent Ray back with the ring as a kind of "gently caress you" to MIKE - "see? Your plan was total poo poo. I'm not falling for it again."

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


The Return is better than the original show, and I'm inclined to place it alongside FWWM and Mulholland Drive as a high watermark of Lynch's career. If it returns to the Laura Palmer story in the finale, it might even top the former for me.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


As much as I adore The Return, I think FWWM is the culmination of the show, and possibly Lynch's work as a whole. The way it twists our notion of authority figures (Chester Desmond does nothing to help Teresa Banks or Laura, who's being abused by her own father), the way it portrays the harrowing disintegration of teenage friendships and innocence, and the way it reminds us that the show is at its heart about incest and murder are absolutely amazing. I suspect we're coming back to Laura's story in the finale, based on what's come before, and it's what I'm most looking forward to. Lynch is right that she was "the goose who laid the golden eggs" - her story seems almost infinitely rich to me.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


DALE, I'M PRETTY SURE YA hosed SOMETHIN' UP PRETTY BAD THERE, BUDDY


This was amazing. Honestly, I don't care if we get a Season 4, because this felt final to me - "see you at the curtain call" and everything.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Raxivace posted:

You know the fact that Cooper went on a quest given to him by Leland Palmer should be telling ("Find Laura").

I'm not sure what it means exactly, but I feel like that should have been a sign that he was on the wrong path.

Dale's a loving idiot. The past doesn't dictate the future. That's the PRESENT.

You can't change where you came from, only where you're going. Try to change your past - or anyone's - and you'll find it's an impossible task.

The world spins.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Jimbot posted:

It's a lovely place but that doesn't mean good people like Cooper can't try. He has succeeded more often than not in events he was an active participant. And while he gets in over his head, especially in this season, its with the help of others that things turn out OK.

It's why I don't agree with all the endless cycle/nightmare theories because it delves down into fatalism and, in some, nihilism. Up to that point, this show has been anything but, which is why the ending is so... jarring to me. It kind of runs contrary to how I saw the series up to that point.

From the present? Yes. From the past? I don't think so.

My understanding of Buddhism is tremendously, laughably limited, but this strikes me as a view perfectly in line with Lynch's meditative practices. The past is gone - let go of it.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Magic Hate Ball posted:

I haven't felt this way at the end of a piece of media since I saw Tati's Trafic.

Hell, I'm not sure I've EVER felt this way about a piece of media. I was talking to someone who hasn't watched the show about it, and they asked if it was "like LOST" because it "didn't have an ending." Now, I loved LOST at the time, but that ending feels so conventional compared to this, it's amazing.

I'm infuriated, really. But I love that I'm feeling SOMETHING.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


No Mods No Masters posted:

Something kind of irked me about having young Laura played by what appeared to be modern Sheryl Lee in a shitload of makeup in the scenes where Cooper is dragging her along through the woods.

For a show that was really good about unsparingly showing the ravages of time on the characters that decision felt a bit... off to me? I dunno, it just struck me as a small dissonant note.

I think that may be part of the point. It's like bringing a corpse back to life; really unsettling stuff, in hindsight.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


No Mods No Masters posted:

Yeah, that's a good point actually. Edit: and the above post as well. It's like you're seeing a little window into Cooper's own creepy hubristic delusion of what he's trying to accomplish

It's interesting, looking back on it: there was a small part of me during that scene with Cooper in the woods from FWWM that was screaming "You can't DO this!" at the show, because it would have felt...cheap? Wrong? But then I got swept up in the beauty of the whole thing.

Turns out my initial instinct may have been right.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


As much as I love this ending, it really, really hurts. Like someone I love has just died. Poor Cooper.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


regulargonzalez posted:

I thought Sheriff Truman had given Ben Horne the room key. In fact I'm almost certain of it. But he had it when Coop asked for it. That has to be intentional, there's no reason to include the scene where he gives it to Horne otherwise.

I wrote a few days ago about my theory that there were multiple universes occurring throughout the season. The key would be another very strong hint in that direction.

It's the other way around: Ben gives Frank the key as a momento for Harry.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


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Here's a question for you all. When they inevitably submit this for the Emmy's, what episode (they have to pick one) would they submit for Kyle MacLachlan's acting performance? and What scene would you use as a Clip for the awards show?
[/quote]

Gotta be "Call for Help" - we get Dale in the mauve zone, the Doppelgänger driving, Dougie 1.0 with Jade, and Dale Dougie at the casino. It's the only one I can think of that really shows off the whole set of characters.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


OscarDiggs posted:

So pretty much stop thinking so much about it? So pretty much do the exact opposite of what I've been doing?

Lynch is all about abstraction. If he's eliciting an emotional response from you - impatience included, sometimes - then that's what he was going for! Just let things wash over you and consider how you felt afterwards. If bored - why? If angry - why? If etc. - why?

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Escobarbarian posted:

Does anyone else hate whenever they see a headline that's like "Even THIS PERSON can't tell us what Twin Peaks was about!!!"?

Yeah, this bothers me a bit. Even if there is a "solution" to Twin Peaks (and the merits of this are debateable), it's not like Lynch sat anyone down and said "OK, PAL, HERE'S THE DEAL." Especislly not Peter Deming, who seems to have an almost subconscious way of communicating with Lynch.

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oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


My Lovely Horse posted:

E12: this is news to no one who knows the first thing about Twin Peaks, but the Laura murder mystery was what tied all those characters together, and the whole thing falls apart without it. Basically just watching for lodge bits now.

This is one of the reasons Season 3 works - because even after her murder's been solved for 25 years, Laura still hangs over that town like a thick fog.

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