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Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/GalGadot/status/865295905821306880

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Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/EW/status/865257566837911554

EDIT:

Boy, the Wonder Woman tag is a riot

https://twitter.com/CloudMG07/status/865400875220557824

Dark_Tzitzimine fucked around with this message at 07:47 on May 19, 2017

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Bunch of interviews with the cast and producers

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-TWU-mY1K16m2Ur2VPSzdDuc7bqp4czm

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/geoffjohns/status/866489304888950784

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://riseofthewarrior.wonderwomanfilm.net/

Cute

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/IMAX/status/867032884598771714

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Making of Featurette

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikMGXsbZn9Q

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Tonight is the premiere here in Mexico and is pretty cool to see all thepictures of the cast interacting with their mexican fans

https://twitter.com/WBPictures_Mx/status/868633900154793984

https://twitter.com/reformagente/status/868633517399433216

https://twitter.com/WBPictures_Mx/status/868635654296678402

https://twitter.com/Depelicula40/status/868635426537472002

https://twitter.com/WBPictures_Mx/status/868642168000458752

https://twitter.com/WBPicturesLatam/status/868642111092137985

https://twitter.com/WBPictures_Mx/status/868642714803425280

https://twitter.com/WBPictures_Mx/status/868643466737332224

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

DeimosRising posted:

I Get what you're saying and an adventure movie set in ww1 that doesn't touch on industrialized death is fine. Everyone likes Lawrence of Arabia. But theres a reason Gallipoli doesn't have the same tone. The disconnect is both doing that lighter adventure AND setting scenes in the trenches. Raiders (besides not being set during ww2 at all) doesn't have a subplot about Indy going to Stalingrad

Last Crusade did have Indy meeting Hitler though.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Darth Brooks posted:

That's the flaw. Zod was a better soldier than Clark could ever be. But because Zod was programed from birth for that role and only that role, he's better than Clark in one way. Clark has other potential strengths to draw on so that as a complete whole he's stronger, more capable than Zod.

It would help if he is put in a similar situation again and goes "No, I've learned from my mistakes. Here's a solution" and it needs to be something that neither the audience or the villain expected.

That is the whole point of the movie though?

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
In the meantime, Patty Jenkins comments on the "why Diana walked out from humanity" thing. Linked just to be sure about spoilers.

http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-movie-dceu-changes-explained/

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

And of course people are using this to claim Snyder is the problem, despite you know, working on the script and being a producer.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Tenzarin posted:

Did you read the reddit thread too?

No, I was looking at /co/

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mT46UlOC6k

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/869965802455355403

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/joss/status/870679030399246337

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/chrishemsworth/status/871025842595540993

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Just came back from watching it. Overall it was a pretty solid movie, certainly better than Suicide Squad but MoS and BvS are still the better DCEU movies for me.

Chris Pine does a hell of a job as Steve Trevor and makes a great foil to Gal Gadot. Gadot herself is a wonderful Diana but then again I enjoyed the hell out of her appearance on BvS so she was never a concern for me.

The plot is pretty straightforward and does what it sets to do for the most part. Introduce the Amazons and their mythos, create a strong supporting cast for Diana, an interesting conflict to drop Diana into and a mostly satisfactory conclusion.

I'm not well versed on the events that transpired during WW1 but I think the film adequately used as backdrop for Diana's story. And really, is kind of silly to expect a documentary level of detail when that is clearly not the focus of the film makers.

That said, I agree with the criticism the final battle is by far the weakest part of the film. And not because I feel is out of place -I thought the Ares' twist was well executed- but because it lacks the impact I'd expect from two gods clashing. Jenkins is a good director but she ain't Zack Snyder. Ares creating an armor from debris was an inspired idea but the execution left a lot to be desired.

Personally I don't found the montage of the German soldiers looking relieved was out of place or contradicted the idea killing Ares would end the war. The film mentions multiple times that the war was already over and Ludendorff was the only one still pushing for it, so it makes sense that once he's gone, his soldiers would stop fighting altogether.

Where the film did fail to stick the landing was on explaining why Diana's reason to stop getting involved on humanity's affairs. My best guess is that she embraced her godly status to defeat Ares and decided against taking an active role so she wouldn't influence the humanity's choices in the same way Ares did.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Cute

https://twitter.com/hachinana87/status/871187915480588288

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Corrosion posted:

The mask he's wearing is clearly linked to a time of divinity, while the scene you're referencing is Ares forming new armor from the munitions surrounding him at the site of the final battle. We're also told by Hippolyta that, paraphrasing to the best of my memory, not everything about the story was true. Which is why Ares stating that he "didn't corrupt humanity" is very much in the vein of Lucifer. The story states that Ares corrupted humanity, which is Diana's argument. That if she kills Ares that people will return back to normal. Ares counters this statement by arguing from his own perspective that he knew humanity was inherently evil, and he was merely "suggesting" things at them. The film seems to imply that Diana and Ares were somehow simultaneously correct, since Ares dies and we get magic hugging but then World War 2 still happens and we can presume that more human conflicts happen. Ares' direct influence was there, but there's no going back once ideas are learned and behaviors are established.

As many people have said, I don't think this prevents a synthesis of Judeo Christian and Grecian mythological imagery.

Ares confirmed everything was true while being bind by the lasso of truth, plus Diana's closing monologue has her stating she's aware now that both darkness and love are within mankind's heart, basically giving the reason to Ares.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Deadulus posted:

Did the movie give a reason for why Steve had to suicide out?

Why not just land the plane after getting control of it?

I'd assume because he wanted to destroy all the traces of the gas without torching a huge chunk of land in the process.

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Chris Pine signed a multi picture deal so presumably he'll get better.

Or something something wizard with a time machine I dunno.


Being comic books, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve slips within a time portal second before the plane bursting in flames. Or they could come with an identical grandson I guess. :v:

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Unsourced "production tidbits"


quote:

WB originally planned to release the movie after JUSTICE LEAGUE.

Michelle MacLaren was originally slated to direct, but dropped out due to creative differences. Catherine Hardwicke, Mimi Leder, Karyn Kusama, Julie Taymor and Tricia Brock were also approached before Patty Jenkins was hired.

WB studied two alternative scripts, one set in the Crimean War and one set in World War I, before ultimately choosing the latter.

Jenkins was initially adamant that the movie be set in World War II as per the comics, but was convinced otherwise by Snyder.

Liam Hemsworth and Alexander Skarsgard were approached for Steve Trevor before Chris Pine was cast.

Nicole Kidman and Cate Blanchett were approached for Queen Hyppolita before Connie Nielsen was cast. Nielsen had previously been approached to play Lara Lor-Van in MAN OF STEEL.

Eva Green was reportedly approached for Doctor Poison before Elena Anaya was cast.

Sean Bean was reportedly approached for Ares before David Thewlis was cast.

The original script was heavily reworked on set after the poor critical and commercial reception to BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, to inject more humor and a more hopeful tone.

In the original ending, Diana abandons humanity for 100 years after Steve Trevor's death, desillusioned by mankind's violence, and it's Superman's death that reminds her of how selfless people can be and inspires her to return to action. After negative results from test-screenings, a new ending was added in reshoots where Diana remains protective of humanity throughout the years.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/Abandapart94/status/871914122534768640

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
The character is spanish as well. Thus the name, Isabel Maru.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich


:psyduck:

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Unoriginal Name posted:

The soldiers go from loading the period-equivalent of Hiroshima and they tear off their masks and hug their enemies shortly after Ares dies.

I mean, I would've done the same if I barely avoided being vaporized by two warring gods.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Snyder's cameo have been found

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Hardly. Jenkins is following in Snyder's footsteps, but never reaches the level of 300. The action is often uninteresting and awkward, and it's rather understandable because because Jenkins is not an action director.The thematics and politics are just weak. For example, there's little recognition of irony in sending warrior-princess powered by divine heritage into the conflict that destroyed aristocracy as a political force. And the third-hand Greek mythology (first loosely adapted for a comic book and then onto the big screen) is just a lame bastardisation. With 300 you can admire how it one-ups historical myth.

I have to agree with the action being uninteresting and awkward. I don't know if it was the camera angles, the choreography or both, but the combat lacked the impact that was shown on BvS. The final fight in particular is a considerable step down from Doomsday's battle.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Knight Boat posted:

He can't lie with the lasso around him.

To not mention that by that point the troops were effectively being forced to continue the war efforts by Ludendorff and Poison. With both of them gone, they have no reason to still going against the armistice.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Yeah, based around that empty stasis pod in the Kryptonian ship Clark found under the ice

The tie in comic from MOS revealed that pod to be Kara's (Supergirl) Of course, that idea is most likely dead now.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

wyoming posted:

Two and a half hours is just a lot for a super pants film, at least in theaters, give me that three hour cut at home.

Also I loved the Ares reveal, the perfect fit for an evil god, and his goat helm was :krad:
Though the shot of the defeated Ares, all buff and naked with the same goofy mustache made me laugh.
No the god of war didn't choose to look like a dweeby British guy, the god of war has always been a dweeby British guy.

:allears:

I like to think that was a reference to the N52 WW run



Something that has been bugged me about the movie is that the nature and/or powers of her bracelets are never elaborated upon. Every other part of her gear gets either an explanation or a handwave about their nature and origins but the bracelets are just there.

She's never seen without them and seemingly they grow alongside Diana since they always fit her arms perfectly. There's no explanation on what is the deal with the energy burst nor is ever shown she uses them to deflect things until it happens in London. I mean, if she always could do that, why Antiope simply warned Diana instead of taking the bullet for her?.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

wyoming posted:

I think only her whip is explained, she thought the sword was the god killer, and I don't remember anything special ever said about her shield or armor. I think they're just mighty Amazonian metal and she can just channel her powers through them? Sort of like Ares keeps making swords. I suppose she doesn't need to use them to deflect bullets, just thinks she does. But yeah, it is oddly uncommented on.

The shield and the armor are handwaved at the start, when Hyppolita says everything in the armory was made by the gods

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

teagone posted:

You get a glimpse of the armor after she picks up the sword/shield/lasso. Also when she meets Steve before they go to the boat, Steve says "nice outfit" when we get a peak at her boots.

She even stops in front of it with a smile on her face before leaving the armory.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
I liked more the theory that Diana knew what Steve said because she read his lips.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

BrianWilly posted:

So, tldr, I have no idea what Zack Snyder ultimately contributed to this film in its finished state...but, going directly by a producer's accounts, it would be kinda overstating Snyder's involvement to say he "wrote this one" considering the amount of hands in the pie. But hey, who knows, for all I know he wrote everything except the scenes I mentioned!

Rumor has it that Snyder was the one who convinced Jenkins to keep the WW1 setting for the film. So if true, I'd say he had a pretty important role on the movie being what it is.

quote:

You can thank Brian Azzarello for that. He's the Wonder Woman writer who obliterated every single positive female influence for Diana during the 2010s and replaced them with male power influences like Zeus and Ares. This has since been corrected in the comics, but since this film was made during that era, I suppose DC felt obligated at the time to take cues from his run, which was dumb of them.

What the hell are you talking about?

On Azzarello's run Zeus is not only absent but is constantly remembered by the other gods as deadbeat father that did nothing right. Ares is a washed out drunk that can't get the motivation to do anything beyond drinking and is more than happy to pass the god of war mantle to Diana.

Other than Hera -and she goes through some great character development over the 36 issues the run lasts- the goddesses that show up are way more sympathetic and useful than their male counterparts. To not mention that the ultimate villain of the run is an epitome of all of men worst characteristics and a woman (Zola) is the only unambiguously good character in the run.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Golden Age Wonder Woman was something special

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Davros1 posted:

Well, one of the rumors of the Whedon reshoots of JL is to beef up her role in the movie based on the response of WW. Mind you, rumors and all.

On phone right now so I can't link the article but Johns already debunked that on a recent interview with Variety.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
Neat

https://twitter.com/deadpoolmovie/status/884578349871276032

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Mr. Apollo posted:

Yeah Bruce is fixated on it being a guy trying to smuggle a dirty bomb into Gotham. Alfred says something like "maybe it's a woman or maybe it's not a person and is simply a phantasm".

I'm pretty sure is heavily implied the dirty bomb thing was just a lie Bruce told Alfred and that from the start Bruce was on the track of the Kryptonite.

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Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
The sequel is scheduled for a December 13, 2019 release

http://deadline.com/2017/07/wonder-woman-2-release-date-december-2019-gal-gadot-1202136048/

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