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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Actually, there's been quite a lot of talk that the movie hasn't been promoted heavily enough. So this is a weird, weird thing to say. Doesn't actual data debunk this nonsense. They've spent a lot of money on it.
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teagone posted:All these positive reviews! My hopes and dreams are coming true So many skulls... Did Snyder draw this?
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Drifter posted:Unless I'm misreading, this is pretty loving waffley. Bill Clinton levels. That review is such a joke. Wonder Woman inspires, thus the different tone and influence from Donner's Superman... But Superman apparently doesn't, thus the realistic tone of Man of Steel! You see, it is about the intrinsic nature of the character as inspirational! "On character terms, Diana stands apart from the previous DCEU heroes by simply being not human..." Judakel fucked around with this message at 22:59 on May 30, 2017 |
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DC Murderverse posted:This is totally true though. Superman was born an alien, but he was raised as a human, in the human world, just like Batman. Wonder Woman was raised apart from the human world, and then retreated again until the events of BvS, so she's an outsider capable of making criticisms of the human world in a way that someone who lives within it might not be able to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWTJIBGNId0
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DC Murderverse posted:are you gonna quote Gorden Gekko and Tyler Durden next? If you make a dumb point and it is applicable, sure.
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May 31, 2017 03:30
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Drifter posted:Ahaha someone actually willingly uses that kill bill bullshit as a serious response? Jeeeesus Christ. Here is how dumb your point is: Superman so clearly identifies as a Kryptonian rather than a human that even his diary is written in Kryptonian. In his most private of moments he doesn't consider himself human. Even in the animated series. He has always been Kryptonian, which is key to why he is just a much better person than all the humans around him. It isn't Kansas. It is his dad. Guy A. Person posted:It's barely even applicable to her situation it's a fictional sociopath's manipulative speech, it says more about his hosed up perspective than it does about Beatrix and certainly Superman Woosh.
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May 31, 2017 04:14
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DC Murderverse posted:oh yeah, i remember the part in the movie where he wrote in his journal in Kryptonian, it was right after the part in the movie where lois turned into a black woman and Jimmy Olsen switched minds with a gorilla. You mean those awful movies?
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May 31, 2017 04:25
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Guy A. Person posted:So your argument is that his review of MoS is dumb because it mischaracterizes the Superman from MoS as being non-alien but he clearly is alien as evidenced by other Superman stories but not MoS which is awful anyway It isn't a review of MoS, but just a dumb article defending Zack Snyder's decisions in those two other movies and claiming WW is most definitely not a reaction to the horrible reception of those two films because Diana isn't even human so you see it is totally normal to shift and WW is in no way "better" or anything.
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May 31, 2017 04:35
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DC Murderverse posted:that is literally what we are talking about. this isn't BSS, that article is specifically about Zack Snyder's two Superman movies, why would I give half a poo poo what happened in one issue of a comic book? Because that writer's point is that wonder woman is different because she isn't human. Follow the thread.
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May 31, 2017 05:06
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Drifter posted:I never meant for the discussion to go to WW from that writer's article - I merely wanted to point out what made MoS so divisive, but their point was that she was raised as an outsider. Clark discovers his alien heritage and views it through a modern human point of view while WW views the world through her alien (a thousand year old retro fantasy god-world) pov. And Batman is just psychotic so who knows what the gently caress he thinks. I didn't miss your point. I think the rest of the article shows just how sad that entire school of reasoning is, though. Grendels Dad posted:Pretty sure you'd be able to find an issue or three where you can make the exact opposite argument. It's weird that you get so abrasive because some guy's point is clearly invalidated by two examples from over 75 years of publication history. Maybe, but I seriously doubt those two examples are the only ones. In fact, I would be willing to bet that things which run counter to those 2 examples are in the small minority compared to things which support those 2 examples. Judakel fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 06:44
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ungulateman posted:So was Leonardo Da Vinci secretly a mirror beast from the Opposite Dimension because his journals and diaries were written backwards? That isn't relevant. Grendels Dad posted:If you want to make the point that Superman is Nah, callous sociopath is Snyder's bag. Judakel fucked around with this message at 19:43 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 19:35
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SleepCousinDeath posted:If saving the world makes you a sociopath, sure. *moves out of the way of a truck instead of stopping it* Guy A. Person posted:So Judakel are you planning to see the movie? Yeah, it sounds like it will be better than the other two.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:58
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Gyges posted:No, that isn't the writer's point. The writer's point is using the concept of the DC Trinity to show that Wonder Woman having a different tone/point of view than either MoS or BvS is neither a flaw nor a reactionary sea change in the DCCU. Wonder Woman being different because she has a non-human point of view is simply part of the construction of that point. That was the writer's point. Ghosthotel posted:You linked a screen cap from the animated series as some sort of proof as to what superman is supposed to be like or w/e so how do you say poo poo like this and reconcile with him doing this poo poo all the time in the cartoon and sometimes worse??? That is very true. Even animated Superman has some really dumb moments. The point of the screencap was to simply show this was an ongoing feature of Superman's character even as late as the 90s. The animated series did plenty of things that they just thought looked cool without thinking about the moral repercussions. All this while painting Superman as a pretty great guy, too. Judakel fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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SleepCousinDeath posted:Yea, he realizes his mistake and is pretty distracted, which leads to Zod beating the poo poo out of him. So he is just an idiot, then?
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hump day bitches! posted:You are not an idiot for not taking the correct decision after a series of new live or death situations. Sounds like it.
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Darko posted:Eh, he said something like the armistice would lead to even greater destruction, which I took as WW2. He would be responsible for that by extension, too.
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Drifter posted:Unless they were knocking on her island door it's not like the Amazons would really know current events around the world, right? Maybe they were turtling down preparing to prevent another potential invasion or something and they heard about ww2 and were all like, "Ares isn't loving with you this time? lol we'll come back when y'all're finished with all that bullshit." That bullshit being the holocaust. But my boyfriend...
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Jun 2, 2017 19:33
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Ferrinus posted:Obviously no superhero movie is ever going to have action as good as Man of Steel's *endless exploooosioooonss*
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Jun 2, 2017 22:32
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Yaws posted:Oh wow, I guess this means WW will be forgotten the second one leaves the theater. The alternative was for it to be remembered for the bad taste in left in people's mouths, ala BvS.
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Jun 3, 2017 04:32
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't see a lot of movies, not in theaters at least. So maybe it doesn't mean much when I say this was one of the worst movie I've seen in theaters. Captain America fought Hydra, a Nazi subdivision. It found a way to have Nazis as enemies without having Nazis onscreen. As I remember it, it didn't insert itself into WW2 nearly as much as the comics. Rogers wants to fight, but he can't join up, so he ends up partaking in this experiment and performing very specific operations afterwards. None of which are part of actual campaigns.
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historian but I don't feel like I'm nitpicking here, I just found everything absolutely baffling. It's not like it was any less realistic than Captain America, in fact it tried to be more grounded. But maybe that's the problem?
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Tenzarin posted:I don't get why people call MoS dark. The darkest thing in the movie is the kryptonians raising their entire population with imposed genetic limits to breed slaves but no one ever talks about that and its a small point in the movie. It is dealt with in a satisfactory way. As opposed to the countless lives lost in the final battle.
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Brainiac Five posted:That's kind of a weak connection, because it's not connected with any change in his status. He's a god before and a god after, and the implication is that he's destroyed the heavens, since he killed the rest of the gods. It isn't a weak connection at all. He is right. The movie doesn't understand Greek mythology. You're out of your depth here.
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Jun 5, 2017 02:09
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Guy A. Person posted:Lol you are a lunatic Simply because something is "so mundane" that you ignore it, does not mean careful observers should ignore it.
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Jun 5, 2017 07:26
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Guy A. Person posted:You're absolutely right, the movie actually is darker because superman breaks a chunk off a mountain Superman is a fascist with a distaste for accountability who is simultaneously positioned as the hero. So, yeah.
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Schwarzwald posted:Did you miss the big twist at the end where Ares was very specifically not behind it all? Did you ignore the ending? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 10, 2017 23:28
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Schwarzwald posted:Yes. While Wonder Woman was busy killing Ares, Steve and buddies stopped the chemical attack that threatened to prevent the armistice. Pretending that this movies does not try to have it both ways, with all the evidence people have pointed out, is just asinine. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ungulateman posted:pre-empting the judakel post: yeah they'd look a lot better am i right fellas??? I mean, they would. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Guy A. Person posted:Sorry maybe I was being overly harsh but I really don't buy that bringing up a Marvel film apropos of nothing wasn't just your garden variety "Marvel is going to do it better" bait. Also pointing out that Marvel hasn't gotten it right isn't anywhere close to "DC's poo poo doesn't stink". I mean, Marvel certain has gotten comic book films right. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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