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M_Gargantua posted:The officer could have simply stepped behind Castile and the rear passenger door and been out of danger. Again, it was the failure to comply with "don't reach for it" three times that preceded him being shot. If you're seeing gunshots after "I have a gun" but before "Don't reach for it", please link the video. If the officer believes someone is reaching for a gun when told 3 times not to do so, why should he step out of danger? Seriously. If that IS what is happening, he is hosed if he doesn't shoot. Castile probably didn't intend to do anything of the sort, but his actions said otherwise. It's unfortunate but why should the officer act contrary to what he believes is happening right in front of him?
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Kuroyama posted:Castile also had to reach to get his registration and insurance card, and was trying to explain that, but the cop wouldn't let him explain and then went straight to shooting. And the cop thought he was reaching for the gun, but Castile didn't let him explain that, he just kept reaching. It's sad and it sucks but that ain't murder.
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A man sitting is in a tactically disadvantageous position. Sitting with a large seat back limiting your ability to turn even worse. A waist band holster is a bitch to draw from while seated. All of these mean that even had Castile intended to irrationally draw his gun (because this is a thing black people do?) and attempt to kill the officer at a traffic stop, with his partner 180 degrees away and watching, he would have had to somehow quick draw a waistband holstered gun while seated then shoot at a really awkward angle. What that means is that had Castile intended to shoot he wouldn't have been a credible threat for many more seconds. And had he been a threat he wouldn't have been a threat had the officer simply taken two steps to his right out of his limited line of fire. But god forbid you try deescation on a black man who has no reason to shoot you. The officer murdered him
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You forgot the marijuana.
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the cop who was on the other side of the vehicle with his hands looped through his vest should be fired since the danger was so obvious and he was standing there oblivious.
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Victor Vermis posted:It's unfortunate but why should the officer act contrary to what he believes is happening right in front of him? because a man died for no reason... which is literally the only reason that needs to be given. you're seriously writing it off as "whoops my bad" when someone died for no reason. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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lemony snickets a series of unfortunate events
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*shoots and kills someone after completely misreading the situation* "whoops, my bad. that's unfortunate!" *not guilty*
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TBeats posted:because a man died for no reason... which is literally the only reason that needs to be given. That's a horrible standard. Do you apply this brilliant hindsight logic to all avoidable deaths everywhere? "My doctor misdiagnosed my grandma based on the information available to him at the time, combined with her failure to comply with her prescribed medication, and now she's dead and that makes me sad so clearly he must be punished!" ...I mean, obviously, yes, that is probably exactly how your whole meth-addled clan of government-assisted Floridian dick-beaters susses out the whys and hows of tragedy. Jesus Christ.
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M_Gargantua posted:A man sitting is in a tactically disadvantageous position. Sitting with a large seat back limiting your ability to turn even worse. A waist band holster is a bitch to draw from while seated. Tachypsychia is real, but it aint a Sherlock Holmes montage, ship-mate.
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(Cole is from Florida and M_Gargantua was a pog)
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And you're a broke brain. We all are what we are.
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M_Gargantua posted:And you're a broke brain. We all are what we are. pfffft.. If anything, my brain is peaking.
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officer yanez starts panicking AS SOON AS Castile informed he had a weapon. Watch the video and you'll see his hands start reaching for the weapon and his stance shifts to alarmed. As if its beyond the pale that a driver in Minnesota of all places will be carrying a weapon in the car. At the point of castile informing he had a weapon, Yanez AND HIS PARTNER had many chances and means to de-escalate the situation, and safely give Castile his ticket and everyone is on their way. Instead, he reacted with the bravery of Scooby Doo and an innocent man is dead because of it.
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Victor Vermis posted:That's a horrible standard. Do you apply this brilliant hindsight logic to all avoidable deaths everywhere? if the doctor committed malpractice it would be an apt analogy. but instead, you're just an idiot. think about it: you have such a low opinion of me, but there are more people agreeing with me than you. that should at the very least make you question your own opinion about the Castile shooting. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Victor Vermis posted:That's a horrible standard. Do you apply this brilliant hindsight logic to all avoidable deaths everywhere? If a bunch of doctors start mis-diagnosing lots of black people with a lack of bleeding holes and perscribes close range gsw's, then you will make sense. bird cooch fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Victor Vermis posted:(Cole is from Florida and M_Gargantua was a pog) lol ur a loving mortarman you don't get to call people out
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Reverand maynard posted:lol ur a loving mortarman you don't get to call people out hosed up if true
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Reverand maynard posted:lol ur a loving mortarman you don't get to call people out Lmbo
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Reverand maynard posted:lol ur a loving mortarman you don't get to call people out  I don't even have a CAR!
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TBeats posted:you're an idiot and nobody in this thread is agreeing with you because nobody is as big an idiot as you. I assume at some point, at bare minimum, you have pointed a gun at someone and issued an instruction with the understanding that you would kill them if they did not comply. I know why other people want to see the cop punished; I've discussed it with people who have no such experience. It looks bad, and it feels bad, and, "if only the cop had considered (thing), (thing), (thing), and (thing)".. But sure. There's no conceivable situation that merited a response resulting in Castile's death. The video proves it. And many people say so. So I'm convinced. The disturbing sights and sounds and the bad bad feelings can now be chalked up to racism, lack of training, and maybe even murderous intent. The world makes sense again. Thanks gang.
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You call that a war penis? Hnnnngghhh, that's a war penis! Now let me see your real war penis!
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Current issue at hand aside. I want to say one last thing about perspective. Your social media echo chambers, 10% rating opioid grab-bags, and vietnam-envy-inspired framing of GWOT are not reality. I. AM. REALITY. 
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Vic V's heel turn from fun-loving art weirdo to authoritarian cop apologist is weird to see.
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Victor Vermis posted:But sure. There's no conceivable situation that merited a response resulting in Castile's death. The video proves it. And many people say so. So I'm convinced. The disturbing sights and sounds and the bad bad feelings can now be chalked up to racism, lack of training, and maybe even murderous intent. The world makes sense again. Thanks gang. I'm glad you finally have come around.
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whatever disease got to swamp donkey spread to vermis. we have to quarantine everyone in this thread
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Deathy McDeath posted:Vic V's heel turn from fun-loving art weirdo to authoritarian cop apologist is weird to see. its all keyfabe bro
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isnt vermis in cop school now or something?
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:isnt vermis in cop school now or something? In a way, aren't we all? Makes you think.
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actually most people seem to be in prison of their own making tbqh Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage
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Generally people arrive at that conclusion after their mother dies and they're sentenced to death for randomly killing an Arab, and that last bit probably isn't going to happen in the current political climate.
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I don't know to what the last two posts are replying. I suspect it isn't me. As self-appointed facilitator of this discussion in Cole's lovely dumb thread, I am exercising squatter's rights and demand an explanation.
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Victor Vermis posted:I don't know to what the last two posts are replying. explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc8GzIRbf2w
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gently caress you Cole. Blaze this poo poo and get woke my lil' penis wrinkle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKkleY4R8A
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Godholio posted:Yeah, instead of holding individuals accountable for their behavior, we should definitely continue isolating and blaming all of them, and inciting further violence. Here's a prime example of why treating individual cops as 'bad apples' doesn't work: An entire group of cops witnessing an extrajudicial beating, and they all joined in for fun. Not a single one actually tried to actually stop the crimes taking place. And of course no one will be punished. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Um the post chase beatdown, conducted by giant glistening slobs, following a cross-state pursuit through the boonies & backroads is one of America's greatest traditions. Its why god invented helicopters and buzzcuts. But sure let's make sure it never happens again. WELCOME TO THE NO FUN ZONE.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Here's a prime example of why treating individual cops as 'bad apples' doesn't work: Alternately, they applied force until the guy stopped struggling and they were able to cuff him. The suspect clearly wasn't in the mood to surrender.
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It's funny til it happens to you
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