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Hillary is bad, Guns are good, and please stop shooting people all the time.
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MurderBot posted:gas cops not even hitler gassed cops
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May 22, 2017 00:43
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dont tase me bro
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May 22, 2017 04:07
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Imagine a competent machinist making a functional suppressor or worse. The deeper argument against guns has always been that they're an easily accessible way for one disgruntled person to kill others. Removing guns and suppressors doesn't change the fraction of deady incidents involving weapons of opportunity (which may be guns or may be knives or bludgeons) and most certainly doesn't stop premeditated destruction. For example an average college chemistry student is deadlier per capita than an average person with a gun. If you assume educated people are less likely to commit violent crimes than said student is far less of a threat overall. So students with access to deadly materials are vetted not at all. Because we assume they'll be law abiding citizens and not use their knowledge for ill. Same with an engineering student, skilled machinist, or intellectual forums poster. Suppressors are something law abiding citizens should be able to buy and register. Register is kinda key there, because it allows tracking on the back end in case other events go south and you need to investigate. A terrorist group competent enough to conduct "a sustained sniper terror" campaign can easily source suppressors already.
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May 23, 2017 21:19
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The HPA removes suppressors from the NFA
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May 23, 2017 22:01
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If I'm reading these laws right I can make a 40mm "gun" as long as it's not full auto and I never sell it.
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May 27, 2017 07:28
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Proud Christian Mom posted:hey here's a hottake to not poo poo up the CE thread with Obama was black
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May 27, 2017 16:32
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I'd like to reiterate original point one. Please stop shooting black people on suspicion
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Jun 17, 2017 01:33
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:There is a legitimate "correlation" between law enforcement and racist political structures at the local level, it's not a conspiracy theory. That was my point in the post. The high concentrations of racists and bullies in the police force is a social issue, not a conspiracy theory by white supremacists Not that all cops are racists or bullies, but a few percentage points of all the cops in the country racks up to 10s of thousands of individuals who have a visible impact on local people
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Jun 17, 2017 01:36
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I think it's hard to argue with a systemic system. You're talking about groups where you likely know the guy who is going to go to jail or at the least have his career ruined. You're inclined to protect him because he's part of your group. And the lesser hope is that if YOU ever shot someone (and of course YOU wouldn't mess up and shoot someone, this will be a theatrical release where the guy draws on you with 5 different dramatic angles covering it) that you would have the support of your department against the public accusations It's part of a growing public sentiment where any public accusation, and to some extent even internal oversight, gets lumped into the other and the persecution complex. People are inherently bad at confronting the fact that they messed up. Especially when you've killed someone and there is likely a dozen or so people who are legitimately violently angry at you specifically. You feel threatened and the system doubles down on 'shooting was justificed' because holding people accountable in the system is so much harder. Instinctually you circle the wagons
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Jun 17, 2017 01:47
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Agreed. But bird food bathtub was specifically talking about conspiracy and infiltration.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:51
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Proud Christian Mom posted:imagine if as roofer said 'this looks dangerous' and started capping everyone with a nail gun. he just wants to get home safe, you know. 
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Jun 17, 2017 02:35
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We'll nail the concept down for you.
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Jun 17, 2017 19:25
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Who wants to take bets on someone using one of those dewalt nail rifles to kill someone and the resulting call for nail-gun control legislation
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Jun 17, 2017 19:28
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TBeats posted:If you seriously don't think this will be seen as racist by the majority of people, then jesus christ. You are a goddamn idiot. Actuallly, the majority of people won't see the race issue. He's a perfect example of privelege blindness. Idiot is debatable, but likely.
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Jun 24, 2017 23:57
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Chances are rising that one of these guys getting acquitted at trial will result in a riot.
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Jun 25, 2017 21:05
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Actuaries aren't expected to carry a gun and judge its use. They're job is to tell the police force that statistically their department have more black shootings per capita. If he's wrong by a few decimal places then the system actuaries exist in acknowledges the discrepency and adapts.Engineers acknowledge mistakes and revise. Etc None of those pull a gun and shoot people in their yearly continuance! Their risk to another's life is precise and measured and their systems are designed to minimize it. Police departments defending processes and officers that result in completely unjustified deaths just deepens the divide between them and the purpose of their job
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Jun 26, 2017 00:23
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Did you see a cop sootif a compliant black man in front of his family as justified... because that's what you're arguing. The dash cam shows this the officer was very wrong in his actions. The audio playback shows he was wrong in his action. And the kicker is that the officer, at the window, looking and talking to Castile and his family, would have obviously had more information regarding just how non hostile Castile was. Black man tells him he has a gun. White cop shoots black man in reflex.
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Jun 26, 2017 01:47
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The officer could have simply stepped behind Castile and the rear passenger door and been out of danger. Apparently Castile telling him he had a gun was enough to escalate to deadly force in 3 seconds.
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Jun 26, 2017 01:59
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A man sitting is in a tactically disadvantageous position. Sitting with a large seat back limiting your ability to turn even worse. A waist band holster is a bitch to draw from while seated. All of these mean that even had Castile intended to irrationally draw his gun (because this is a thing black people do?) and attempt to kill the officer at a traffic stop, with his partner 180 degrees away and watching, he would have had to somehow quick draw a waistband holstered gun while seated then shoot at a really awkward angle. What that means is that had Castile intended to shoot he wouldn't have been a credible threat for many more seconds. And had he been a threat he wouldn't have been a threat had the officer simply taken two steps to his right out of his limited line of fire. But god forbid you try deescation on a black man who has no reason to shoot you. The officer murdered him
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Jun 26, 2017 02:12
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And you're a broke brain. We all are what we are.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:27
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Authoritarianism is a hell of a drug
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Jun 30, 2017 05:04
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Victor Vermis posted:At least the infantryman may off himself in a post-military haze of inadequacy or, prior to that, sacrifice himself upon the altar No
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Jun 30, 2017 05:46
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Yeah this thread is the penultimate cop debate thread. It will last us until the 1984 state descends and bans police threads. The final one will be a CE thread tangent that gets everyone locked away for thought crimes
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Jun 30, 2017 15:49
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Pesticide20 posted:Pickle
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Jun 30, 2017 17:28
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Edit: why didn't they shoot at her? You answered your own question
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Jun 30, 2017 22:38
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Whenever there's a big one getting live streamed I tune in so I can catch the first Molotov live. It's like a rocket explosion, awful, but likely over a long enough sample time.
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Jul 6, 2017 02:10
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Except the only one who outed him (potentially) are antifa idiots on the grey net. CNN found him out, found his nazi post history, and he deleted it and apologized. CNN was potentially considering mentioning his name attached to the gif that trump tweeted but because he apologized they withheld his name.
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Jul 6, 2017 02:15
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I haven't yet seen Facebook friends posting on other friends or friends of friends list of Jews to kill. I'm sure I could delve into public Facebook post comments if I really wanted to see that
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Jul 6, 2017 03:16
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Actuallly I'm pretty sure Facebook terms of service means they take down things like 'list of Jewish conspirators'
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Jul 6, 2017 03:17
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They pretty much have to convict mohhamud just for the international relations angle. Maybe BLM will support this small about of justice as a starting point? The collective very publicly supports this trial and conviction then uses the case as precedent and ammo for future black murders
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Jul 18, 2017 03:07
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Dead Reckoning posted:The Gun control chat thread, if you will I've got good gun and trigger control. Not the best sure. But it obviously works
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Jul 19, 2017 03:03
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Hey who's the worst ally we've ever had, Saudi Arabia or Israel Saudi Arabia definitely. Best (regionally) is the Kurds
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Jul 22, 2017 05:38
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59c23f23e4b0f22c4a8dce68?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 Deescalation, what is it?
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Sep 21, 2017 14:39
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Hard to tell without context, but I'm not really siding with the cop here either Also don't click play because the kid gets shot a few times on camera and dies. https://twitter.com/Cali_Funk1/status/911268573170999296
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Sep 22, 2017 22:41
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One of these days the domestic terrorist is going to be a chemist and that's a conversation post-mortem that I don't think the country is ready for. We're nice and solid in our blame guns viewpoints while still faithfully ignoring the cause of social isolation and extremism
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Oct 2, 2017 17:56
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Smiling Jack posted:Oklahoma City. Nah, not a chemist. The poo poo you can mix up gets real nasty when you have someone who can actually produce their own reagents or just get/steal them at their college chemistry building. Explosives are very simple and modestly effective, but imagine Walter White making a nerve agent, or any simple toxin.
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Oct 2, 2017 18:21
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So carrying over from the proper gunchat thread. Guns were invented and perfected for killing people. The second amendment protects your right to be armed such that you can kill people in extreme situations. Hunting is an added benefit to owning a gun and while a luxury in most parts of the country is occasionally a necessity for survival and good for survival planning for the more rural areas. Now owning rifles for hunting is pretty easy to justify, solid bolt action rifle, even something new and tactical has the same capability. If youre poor enough to occasionally need to hunt to eat then owning 10 different rifles is idiotic. Shotguns are great for bird hunting and self defense. Handguns are excellent for self defense because unlike a rifle its practical to actually have it on you all the time. So where does the need for magazine fed shotguns and semi-auto rifles come in? That comes back to the original point, which is for warfare. Heres where constitutional law comes in because yes on paper the second amendment was written for warfare, but its 2017 an  if you think youre going to be part of the insurgency against enemy invaders. If you want to argue that the second amendment covers modern war then youre also arguing for civilian ownership of anti-aircraft and anti-tank weaponry.chitoryu12 posted:What method do you have for banning and confiscating millions of firearms in a cost-effective manner to (in the absolute best case scenario) reduce homicide by 5%? The thing about this line, especially in the line after vegas, is that youre saying that "50 or 60 lives dont matter" The shooter not having semi-automatic weaponry would have guaranteed reduced casualties by a very large amount. Just like how him not having easy access to a belt fed weapon likely prevented this from being even worse. Your same line of reasoning that claims that regulation is already enough hinges on the fact that the existing regulation has not reduced gun deaths at all, and qed the right to own gun X also means I should be able to own machine gun Y. Yes evil people are going to evil, but putting up some barrier to entry would help, even if its only a few lives.
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Oct 4, 2017 17:42
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chitoryu12 posted:He wanted to get rid of semi-automatic rifles, specifically. Didn't say a word about anything else, just putting semi-autos on the NFA. It would stop future tragedies like this and sandy hook. If there are no legal means to acquire them then you have much higher risk of getting caught before going nuts on some kids. You'll never stop crime, knives and guns will always play a part in violence, you can mitigate the possibility for someone to unload 500 rounds on a crowd. The only reason to not confiscate them all is all the people like us who want to keep them because they're ours and they're fun
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Naked Bear posted:Real quick: that's not why the second amendment exists. It exists as a check on your own government, should that need ever arise. All other benefits of an armed populace are secondary to this purpose. Our own country's birth through violent revolution should be proof enough of this need; there are plenty of other examples of governments turning on their own (disarmed) people in the twentieth century alone. Additionally, if you believe that people with rifles are powerless against a military with armor and aircraft, you need only look at the current conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan; tell me again that people with rifles are combat ineffective against a modern military. Iraq and Afghanistan don't exist as stable states where armed insurgents have any chance of meaningfully ejecting American power. They might have the chance at killing their own opposition political leaders but they are ants under the boot. Serving as a defense against our own government is equally a lost cause and equally effective if armed with hunting rifles or machine guns.
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