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Capn Beeb posted:And makes them equally regulated like regular 'ol firearms, yeah? Not like I can pop into the hardware store and just buy one without a NICS check and poo poo. What's the point of going through the process twice? Without the gun, which you already have to get the check for, it's useless.
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May 24, 2017 01:54
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Unrelated hot take: Why can't we ban the manufacture and sale of handguns and allow all rifles (including full auto). Wouldn't the result be less deaths overall? One answer is that police body armor and vehicle armor is almost never capable of stopping rifle rounds.
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Jun 17, 2017 04:47
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Naked Bear posted:And? If the majority of rifles in circulation are already capable of defeating most common protection, then adding a giggle switch does nothing to change that except make someone miss more rapidly. I meant more as a reason against allowing all rifles while banning handguns. Handguns are more practical for personal/home defense and more able to be protected against.
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Jun 17, 2017 07:03
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CHICKEN SHOES posted:what does funding have to do with not shooting someone for standing up You could make the argument that the kind of people we'd like to have serving as police officers and military personnel mostly refuse to because the compensation (money, stable family life, etc) is not worth the sacrifices. Which leaves these careers open to racist assholes, window-licking morons, and a handful of people who deserve to be held up as shining examples because despite everything they still loving care, and they still loving try.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:29
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CHICKEN SHOES posted:like ban me or whatever but if you try to defend this as anything other than pure distilled police racism suck my dick you're a racist This I tend to agree with, given the information available right now. CHICKEN SHOES posted:you cops are loving racist sick fucks and I dont know why i have to share a subforum with you This is where this forum pisses me off sometimes. I enjoy mocking and making GBS threads on each other as much as everyone else, but it seems like a lot of the anti-police poo poo isn't that. Better here than in the actual CE thread, though. Larry Parrish posted:We should go a step further and replace cops with drones that shoot tear gas and tazer darts They blew the sniper up in Dallas with an explosive robot. Godholio fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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There's a difference between "This system is hosed and needs to be rebuilt at every level" and "gently caress everyone in blue because they're all racist shitheads on a power trip." I agree with #1. #2 is garbage.
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Jun 25, 2017 17:32
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Yeah, instead of holding individuals accountable for their behavior, we should definitely continue isolating and blaming all of them, and inciting further violence.
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Jun 25, 2017 18:11
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TBeats posted:"accountable" The Castile shooter should be in prison. He earned it.
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Jun 26, 2017 15:31
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You might be worse.
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I'm not sure you've been watching the pro-Trump demonstrations over the past few months.
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I honestly have no idea which thread is which anymore. None of the names mean a goddamned thing.
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Jul 19, 2017 02:24
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Arc Light posted:probation honeypot thread New thread title.
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My local sheriff's office is open Tuesdays. We don't have a city PD, despite a population of about 20,000.
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M_Gargantua posted:If ownership of semi automatic rifles is necessary for self defense against a destructive government then we should do what I (completely seriously) tell the CSPAM thread all the time, arm and train minority communities. The NRA used to be about training and safety. 
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Oct 4, 2017 22:25
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:The "why" of the violence is a totally different subject. The only subject that matters, really. And the one that will never be meaningfully addressed.
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:I don't buy this as an excuse to ignore pushing for reasonable gun legislation. Sure, but it's pretty rare for reasonable gun legislation to end up as a democrat talking point. And half their talking heads start ranting about how we should do certain things that are already codified. So the credibility isn't really there.
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Oct 7, 2017 04:10
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vains posted:im like 99% certain that you cant legally buy a gun in state 'a' if you're not a resident of state 'a' unless the weapon is shipped to an ffl in the state where you are a resident. once the gun arrives in whatever state you're a resident of, it is still subject to the laws of that state. This is correct.
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:But pretty easily circumvented. True. Also I assumed we were talking about handguns since Chicago crime was the topic.
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Oct 7, 2017 19:57
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:But until we get to that point, universal background checks and a federal registry are a relatively cheap and straightforward way to crack down on guns diverted from legal channels. I'm fine with background checks. A registry completely undermines the Second Amendment.
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Oct 8, 2017 03:45
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Explain this to me. Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:a national registry would be used as a tool for confiscation by those championing it as soon as it became politically convenient The electronic vs paper thing is stupid, I agree.
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I think it's a very loving good argument against a registry.
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Look at the people in charge of the country right now. Do you trust them? Do you really think enough Americans have been flipped in the past 9 months that we're about to jump back on the track to sanity? Do you think for one minute that in 30 years things are going to be better? The problem with gun confiscation isn't that magically one day SuperHillary is going to be elected and issue a proclamation. The threat is that the right to keep and bear arms will be gradually eroded, because "Hey this one little thing isn't a big deal and it might help a couple dozen people per year." Maybe now you can't buy ammunition without a loving license. Maybe now you're on a no-fly list because you bought too much ammo last year, or you have too many guns. Maybe you've got a flag by your name in the DMV registry. There's an awful lot of bad poo poo that can happen that doesn't directly lead to confiscation...which is still a thing that could happen. Rights that are given away are never returned. So while Bill A which gets passed in 2018 isn't a huge problem, by the time we get to Bill Q in 2045 we could very well be on that path.
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How is a registry going to prevent anything? That is what we're talking about, right? Prevention vs reaction?
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Oct 9, 2017 18:43
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Background checks take literally minutes. The government having a convenient list of who owns what in an era where it is very possible that legislators will target specific firearms for removal from society is problematic. One mass shooting in NYC and we could very well see certain assault weapons banned outright just by the NYC metro legislators, and by golly thanks to the NY SAFE Act they've got a list of everyone state-wide. The inability to easily target those owners is likely one reason such a law is unlikely to actually pass in most places. It's practically unenforceable. A registry solves that. And once again, outside of using it for seizures it does nothing for prevention. Godholio fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Oct 9, 2017 18:50
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We're both focusing on that point. I don't think it's a near-term threat, but a registry is one of the requirements to make it actually possible. My point is that a registry does nothing for prevention.
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CommieGIR posted:You realize the registry would track more than ownership, right? It would also track people who are not supposed to have firearms due to felonies and/or mental health issues? Could. It could do that. quote:I mean, what's the point if preventing ownership by felons and people who are ill if we're just leaving it up to chance that you just so happened to get all their firearms? "Sure hope we picked up all his firearms and he wasn't just hiding a bunch of them, but we'll never know!" Maybe we should have a registry of people who aren't allowed to own firearms? Like a no-
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:A registry works in combination with record keeping on transfers, including private party transfers. Every gun used in a crime would then be traceable, and law enforcement could use that data to choke off diversion of guns from legal channels. As it stands today, even where a background check is required the records are quickly discarded. It creates a gaping hole of plausible deniability that results in easier access to illicit firearms. Ok, so the idea is that it would track sales between private parties. Unfortunately it relies upon the very people who are currently breaking the law (overwhelmingly) by selling to those who shouldn't have guns to actually report it. And I'm not saying slippery slope, I'm straight up calling it a prerequisite for any kind of enforceable firearms ban.
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CommieGIR posted:....that's still a slippery slope argument. As someone already said: Might as well try to make the same argument about gay marriage just being the slipper slope to people marrying their pets. Except that's stupid. There's a political movement that wants guns banned. There is at this time, a Constitutional right in place. I don't know of the same for gays vs pets. Godholio fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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My worry is that we'll keep pursuing do-nothing, knee-jerk reactions that restrict the liberty of law abiding citizens so you can feel good about yourself.
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McNally posted:Yet more reason why you'll never hear me say a kind word about the NRA. Same.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, its just about feeling good. No effects. That's why the NRA is so busy lobbying against CDC studies, because they don't want me to feel good.  The NRA has become a poo poo organization, and unfortunately they're the only gun lobby with any power.
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CommieGIR posted:So? Therefore, you have to support them? No, and I don't support them. They've never gotten a dollar of my money, and I doubt they ever will. Unfortunately I don't know of another group I would support though. So in the meantime I have to deal with assholes who think that because I like guns I'm a jackbooted NRA supporter.
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Doc Hawkins posted:Oh, don't worry: people who like guns would be equally creepy in any political landscape. I like guns, I don't like like guns.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:What I don't understand is how trying to slowly get closer to standards that every other developed nation on the planet with a ton of guns has adopted is deemed "do-nothing" or "knee-jerk", because it doesn't solve THE ENTIRETY of mass shootings and gun deaths. I agree 100% with the paperwork. That's dumb as hell. We are not "every other developed nation" on the planet. Our independence was fought for in a very different way from most of the British Empire, and most of Europe. Our history, which from day 1 included firearms as a part of regular life, is unique. Gun ownership rates have stayed relatively static, with between 25-40% of Americans owning guns...since before the Revolution. There's a unique relationship here, even compared to Australian history. Then there's the slippery slope argument you're so adamant is a fallacy. It's not, necessarily. Not when there are examples of such a registry being used against law abiding people. Obviously the Weimar Republic is the example that sucks to rely on because  . But Australia is fun, too, where semiauto rifles were banned and a mandatory buy-back took place less than a decade after registries became widespread. Oh, and gun owners were also prevented from joining the Liberal Party. I wonder how party officials knew who the gun owners were? It's not unreasonable to assume that similar things could happen here.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Same argument could be made about slaves, which is similarly off point. Historical context isn't s reason to avoid tracking firearms sales. This is about as pointless as it gets relative to our firearm death statistics Historical context provides a background to how we got to where we are, which is a situation where an equal proportion of the population are still gun owners. But yeah, comparing gun ownership to slave ownership is totally a legit argument. You won me over.
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CommieGIR posted:I love that you brought up the Wiemar Republic as the danger of Gun Registries, then ignored how the Nazis loosened gun control, and how personal firearms ownership did very little to actually stop them from seizing the weapons anyways and enacting a genocide, and the only major uprising was the Warsaw Uprising, which was conducted using seized military weapons, and was readily crushed. The Nazis lightened the rules for some, tightened for others. bird food bathtub posted:I love me some range time and hoofed forest rats taste delicious but guns in America are basically going to do sweet gently caress all to stop "tyranny" when people vote someone like Trump into office. Ideally it doesn't have to. The very possibility, no matter how remote, of an armed uprising to deflect a nationwide LE/mil effort to disarm the citizenry should be so horrifying that it deters any real momentum for such an effort. The tipping point in that scenario is probably when things are so bad the government isn't really even in control anymore. Godholio fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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