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Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

CBJSprague24 posted:

I know they've got a bit of a Benedict Arnold image in the industry, but PSA is offering two round-trip, confirmed (not NRSA/non-rev, confirmed) tickets to any AA destination to any new employee who has a hire date on or before July 1, 2017. Apparently, even part-time employees may be eligible.

I...I love the aviation job I have now in Western Ohio, but god drat. :stonklol: Is this generosity or are they that desperate?

Still not worth it. For comparison, I have Delta travel benefits through the regional I work for and even though its about $100 to activate, the travel perks pay for themselves. For example last August I had a day trip to Amsterdam and got First class to and economy plus from, a quick glance at Kayak tells me this was roughly $8000, yet all I paid was about $56 in return taxes/fees.

So yeah, PSA is just desperate.

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Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Animal posted:

I know people who have hosed up far worse than you and are now Delta pilots, if that means anything to you.

"Tier 1 candidates", lmao

shame on an IGA posted:

Looking at the TSA budget, even if we generously assume they've prevented a 9/11 every single year it still makes more sense to let the poo poo hit the tower

E: Specifically, if there's a way to prevent 3000 deaths for less than $2.53m apiece we should totally do that instead

:wow:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.
Most airports do, such as using cannons and other explosives to make noise that scare birds. Some airports fight fire with fire though and use birds of prey to chase other birds away.

From personal experience I usually run into birds near airports at least once per trip, with once nearly smacking a pelican on very short approach (we're talking like 500' from the runway, at about 100' AGL) flying into Norfolk. So yeah, it's uncommon for a random bird or two to get into the way of things and cause go-arounds.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

Meanwhile everyone at my company is in a giddy panic because we'll probably pick up the slack until QX gets all of their ERJ 175s online :stonklol:

I couldn't agree more about the paragraph summarizing the self-inflicted wounds the airlines created regarding labor, however.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Rickety Cricket posted:

Wide body captain in 2 years. That's crazy.

And I thought upgrade times at my craptastic regional were nuts :monocle:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.
Personally my favorite SIDS/STARS are the FYTTE4 into Chicago (not a Blackhawks fan though) and that departure of Denver with the beer themed fixes (COORZ2 or something like that?)

Also seconding aero goonmeets, I ran into Kodiak a couple years ago during a longer sit in Chicago. If nothing else a LinkedIn/slack group would be a good networking idea for those of us that get further into the industry and want to help each other out.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Captain Apollo posted:

How many of you airline pilots have hooked up with a flight attendant?


Slaughter - don't answer nobody wants to know.

Does it count if she was still in training at the time?

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Something tells me that either my company is going to announce a new domicile in Atlanta, or that they're going to shut down XJT for good...

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

The Slaughter posted:

Salt Lake shenanigans

I got caught in that too, we were already at the end of the runway and then got taxiied to the other end :derp:

The controller antics in SLC has usually led me to close every threat briefing with a "watch out for Salt Lake doing Salt Lake things"

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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CBJSprague24 posted:



I'd like to think this is somehow an ATC Memes Photoshop (that's where I saw it) and nothing more but, given the trail, Air Shuttle :wtc:?

Reminds me of this tweet I saved years ago:

Untitled Airlanes posted:

This is your captain reminding you to fasten your seat belts;we may experience some mild turbulence as we surf this sweet tornado hell yeah

Somebody reposted the same pic to our company Facebook page, we all had a good laugh until someone pointed it out could have been one of our jets if Mesa hadn't taken the majority of the Houston regional flying lately :aaa:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

CBJSprague24 posted:

Right, but would your dispatchers have drawn up a flight plan right through a hurricane and/or would any of your captains have said anything other than ":lol: no" when they got the paperwork?

Yes to the first question, hopefully no to the second :stonklol:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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CBJSprague24 posted:

"Let me just polish up my resume once we get to the hotel tonight and..."

I know this is just a joking remark but I seriously started doing this a couple months ago after the fiasco that was our new pay package and the gradual decline in employee morale this last year or so. On that note, anyone have anyone experience with or know anyone over at Virgin America?

Also preemptive condolences to AZflyboy, I know you guys wanted to the fly the E175 but thanks to mismanagement over at AAG/QX, and our management's apparent desire to start acting like Mesa/Great Lakes, we both know who's getting stuck with those airplanes temporarily :(

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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azflyboy posted:

What happened with your pay package? Last I'd heard was from early 2016 when you raised the starting pay to $40, but I haven't kept track of it since then.

Somehow we voted in an "Industry Leading" 1% pay raise that applies to the next 4.5 years, with about 45% of the pilot group voting no on that. :cripes:

At least we started implementing a "Soft Landing 2.0" policy that lets other guys jumping from other 121 carriers to carryover their experience in terms of pay. In other words, a 3 year Mesa guy who starts at OO doesn't get first year pay, he gets 3rd year FO pay.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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PT6A posted:

I did the rating in a Seneca, so I had counter-rotating props and thus no critical engine. Thank god for the small things -- at least I got both legs worked evenly.

It's a really goddamn nice plane, extremely well-mannered and easy to control. I think all of the three flight schools at my home airport are using them exclusively for twin training now, after the lovely incident with the awful, lovely Tecnam piece of Italian trash.

Oh, so the P2006t has made its way north I see? Agreed on the performance (or lack thereof), I did my ME checkride in one a few years ago. Thankfully most of my twin flying at that point was in a shitbox Cessna 310, so I was used to gremlins and such popping up at the worst time during the checkride.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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I'd be in for an aero goon meet except 1) I don't plan on nonrevving to NYC all the way from SLC and 2) guess which idiot goes to upgrade class in a couple weeks?

I'm going to hate being in Chicago in the middle of winter...

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

Stupid Post Maker posted:

Possible first goon airline crew? Winter here isn't so bad

Only if you work at OO and you're on the CRJ :)

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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vessbot posted:

Already happened. Commanded by Two Kings and... Fist Officered, by yours truly.

Wait don't you work here too? on the E175? :raise:

Meanwhile I'll probably disappear for a couple weeks, apparently the company decided to cut two days of ground school and replace it with extra Computer Based Training modules that all have to be completed before the first day of upgrade class. Oh, and they want a new medical before class since mine expires in December. :suicide:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

e.pilot posted:

Holy poo poo I’m an ATP with a CRJ type now :stare:

Just passed my captain upgrade sim ride yesterday for the CRJ, so :hfive:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Well, let's say I'm part of the 44% or whatever that voted "No" to a 1% pay raise ;)

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

This and the guy that proposed on the United 747 both work for my company, I'm so proud of my fellow regional pilots sometimes :rolleyes:

Speaking of work, finally finished my first trip off IOE as captain! Of course, it was perfectly normal to fly my first day with an aircraft that had 6 deferred maintenance items, hour-long delays, with also a brand new first officer just off IOE...all starting at 6AM Chicago time. At least I didn't need to deice until the next day...

No, I like being an airline captain, why do you ask :shepicide:


PT6A posted:

I went to check the KJFK METARs, and either there’s a wildly different format than in Canada or something has gone awry. Should I be able to decode this?

KJFK 042351Z 31030G37KT 8SM SCT037 OVC075 M04/M09 A2938 RMK AO2 PK WND 31045/2337 SLP950 PRESENT WX DRSN 931018 4/008 60011 T10391089 11039 21050 53037 $

What the hell is going on after DRSN? The rest makes sense and then...

I would need maintenance too after generating a METAR like that in the middle of a blizzard. A look at this tells me that after driving snow there's a precip amount over 6 hours, hourly temp, max and minimum temp over a 6 hour period

Butt Reactor fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jan 5, 2018

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Rolo posted:

Any time I get told about cirrus traffic I say I’m looking for the chute.

:golfclap: Seriously though is the performance pretty limited on cirrus jets?

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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e.pilot posted:

They did in my ground last fall.
As a newly upgraded captain, I'm still having to "mentor" new hires into flying faster than what's filed because 1. It's not safe or actually efficient and 2. Chicago center gets irked and tells us to fly 300 or better anyway

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

Arson Daily posted:


edit: the APC forums, I mean. APC itself is pretty good if a little out of date at times

JetCareers isn't bad either, their forums are pretty quiet sometimes but there's a other less poo poo posting that goes on.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Or you could do what I did my first year and try hostels instead. Like a crashpad but with foreigners instead of dorky pilots, and cheaper! :retrogames:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

Arson Daily posted:

I carry one of those because the major airline I work for is too cheap to wire usb power to the pilot seats!

I carry one because the company had to issue backup batteries for the surface tablets we use as EFBs. Apparently battery life on those really suck when you use 4G cellular to grab dispatch releases, and rather than use iPads like everyone else...:homebrew:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Stupid Post Maker posted:

Well I start upgrade training in April so it looks like Butt Reactor and I won’t be able to fly together

If you are ORD based and flew with a certain John Oliver-ish looking guy, maybe you already did :ssh:

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Stupid Post Maker posted:

Where I work we're good down to 600 feet as long as the runway has centerline lights and HIRLs.

Ah, 6/6/6, the devil's takeoff! 600 feet required visibility, for touchdown, mid and rollout

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Oh my hell, he's one of us :ughh: Between the the FOs getting married or posting Craigslist personals to now captains doing dumb poo poo like this I really got to GTFO and go somewhere classier like spirit or allegiant.

Although, if he does get hired I move up in seniority :haw:

Sagebrush posted:

Why does he want Southwest specifically? Just because he already lives in the area they serve? Or do they have a particularly desirable package?

If you read his bio I think his dad is (was?) a SWA captain, and SWA happens to be hiring a lot of our mid to senior captains lately...

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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e.pilot posted:

SWA seems to be the place to go from SKW for whatever reason.


Part of that is because the similarities in culture (at least on the flight/cabin crew side) and a senior VP over at LUV is ex-OO :ssh:

With that aside, I'm still applying this weekend during the window because I too would like to work back out west!

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.
I flew a trip back in October with a captain who was retiring, they just had airport ops trucks escorting us to the gate. No water cannon salute for us! Apparently SLC stopped doing that a few years ago because of a drought. And that captain didn't want to be embarrassed by all the effort going into a cannon salute

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Anybody else apply at LUV during the application window last week? Also, it's pretty :stonklol: at how many FOs my company is losing to places like Spirit.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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MrYenko posted:

My favorite procedure is still the STCed EFB we put in our DC-10s right before the bankruptcy. In the emergency checklist was:

“In the event of an EFB fire, don the fire retardant gloves, remove the EFB from its mount, and stow in the lavatory toilet.”

So if the EFB caught fire, you were supposed to get an oven glove from the FE’s desk, unhook the thing, and flush it down the toilet.

:allears:

I so loving want to do this to all the Surface tablets we have at my airline

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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DrDork posted:

Even with the cocksucking, my understanding is that "good" regional Captain pay is still pretty meh compared to legacy FO pay, let alone legacy Captain pay. Unless a legacy won't pick you up, or you really like the routes you're flying, there doesn't seem to be any reason to stay at a regional a day longer than you have to, unless I'm missing something here.

You're not, unless you consider a certain Utah-based regional whose lifers like the quality of life enough to not risk moving and having to uproot their 2 wives, 6 kids and $500k mcmansion from Salt Lake or other points west.

Bob A Feet posted:

I’ve heard a rumor that if you captain at a regional and hang around you can get some sick nasty bonuses. True?

Yeah but management at my company clearly missed that memo, plus the ones paying the bonuses are basing you somewhere lovely like La Guardia on reserve.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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e.pilot posted:

That certain Utah based regional isn't what it used to be and I can't recommend going somewhere else strongly enough.

:( :hf: :( I presume you voted NO, correct?

Rickety Cricket posted:

It seems like the CRJ and ERJ side are 2 completely different airlines. Or are a lot of the ERJ people just as unhappy?

There are some sour grapes on that side of the fleet, but the negativity is nowhere near where it is on the CRJ I think. We like to joke we're still doing the actual regional flying, and the 175 is OO "mainline" or "heavy" since they do all the prime routes that tend to pay better, have better overnights, and (microscopic) better staffing. I haven't dropped any trips or legs in over 2 years, yet my roommate is a new FO on the 175 and already has been displaced twice(!) this month, giving him 15 days off and being on track to credit 100+ hours this month, since you get paid for the trip you got displaced off of.

With all that said, I still like going to work and hanging out with crews on trips, it keeps reminding me why I took this job in the first place :)

e.pilot posted:

Not sure, I literally never interact with ERJ crews. Captain side is crazy senior though so good luck upgrading ever if you want to stay ERJ.

According to some rumor-mongering on facebook and the pilot forums, most junior captain is an April '16 hire but that dude will be on reserve forever probably.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Stupid Post Maker posted:

It's nothing out of the ordinary at other airlines, but going from a 10% FO to a 95% captain just sucks. I'm not a fan of the new reserve system, I preferred the old hard lines instead of bidding for days off. I can't get awarded vacation or gold days for a random weekend in August because all the vacation slots are full until November. Going from 15+ days off a month and 90 hours of credit to 12 days off and possibly not hitting guarantee sucks. I'm not a commuter but our new proffering system is screwing commuters by making them come in earlier than their reserve period begins.

I signed up for it though, no one made me upgrade, but for some reason I didn't think the schedule would be nearly as bad as captains had warned me.

That's why I delayed upgrade until I could hold a line, and also got rid of my place in SLC and moved to Chicago so I wouldn't commute, unlike many of my friends here. If you are ORD based come down to Logan Square and get drunk with me some time (and yes that's an open invite to anybody else that's based here)

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Yes even you, just don't go off on a tangent on Mooneys otherwise you'll never get invited again

KodiakRS posted:

1. Leave your west coast base for ORD
2. Move to base because commuting to ORD from the west coast sucks
3. Realize you now live in ORD
4. Solve item 3 by drinking a lot of alcohol

It's like looking into a mirror of my own life choices.

Wait how did you know how I've been living the last several months?

Sagebrush posted:

Ugh, yeah. At a previous job I flew to a conference in Vancouver with a couple of coworkers. Hey, guys, it's dinnertime -- want to wander around this incredible dynamic city and try some of the world-class Chinese food? No? How about Japanese? Thai? Vietnamese? Or literally anything else that's new and unusual?

Nope, they shot down every suggestion I gave and eventually decided on a Moxie's (think Canadian version of Applebee's) and then the whole time bitched that it wasn't actually an Applebee's or T.G.I.Friday's.

Waste of air.

Oh god, you probably had to spend the night at either the travelodge or sandman if that's the YVR hotels I'm thinking of with a Moxie's attached :canada:

I'm not fond of the slam-clickers, but I get it if this 4-day is your only escape from a bitchy wife, bratty kids, or overbearing neighbors. However lately I've been lucky enough to fly with people who are actually willing to go out and check out stuff on the overnights. Hell, I just finished Day 5 of a 4-day and if it wasn't for the copilot and FAs I flew with being personable, I would've blown my brains out when getting stuck in Toronto on the last night of the trip.

e.pilot posted:

I took a taxi to a local bike shop and rented a bike and rode 40 miles around Cape Girardeau Missouri on a 40 hour sit this weekend and had a blast. My crew looked at me like I was crazy as they sat in the hotel doing fuckall.

SAD :trumppop:

This, loving this. Make something of it, even if it's somewhere as lovely as the hometown of Rush Limbaugh.

Nerobro posted:

Hah, I'm in Avondale every Thursday night at PS:1. Details may need a PM, we've got a couple pilots too.
PM sent even though I have no clue what the hell PS:1 is

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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PT6A posted:

Wow, Vancouver has a horrible Sandman attached to a Moxie's that's used as a crew hotel as well? Calgary has one too!

TBF that sandman in YYC is a shithole but it's saving grace is that it's downtown, I've had more than one overnight end up in some nearby crazy bar like Ceili's or that stupid country bar by the overpass.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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overdesigned posted:

My dad, a literal lifelong pilot, has, after a stroke and 2 years learning to walk/everything else again, gotten his BasicMed, completed his BFR, and soloed the family 140.

:unsmith:

:cheers: nice, that's awesome getting back in the saddle like that.

Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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Re: wrong runway chat, it's easy to do at bigger airports... I've lined up for the wrong runway on approach into ORD, once with a FAA inspector in the jumpseat :stonklol: fortunately my FO caught the mistake and sneakily reprogrammed the approach without anyone noticing.

e.pilot posted:

My favorite are PA announcements on guard
I probably mentioned it last time we had guard chat in here but my shining moment was this in Eugene a year or so ago:
:) : SkyWest XXX, cleared to land 16R...btw happy birthday to whoever is in the back.
:dukedog: : cleared to land 16R, what do you mean?
:) : we heard someone on guard making a PA cabin announcement, figured it might've been you guys?
:dukedog: : wasn't us, must've been Delta :colbert:
:) : *empty mic click, peals of laughter in the background from the tower cab* OK SkyWest, to the gate with me, don't call us until you're ready to go, :lol:

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Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

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azflyboy posted:

In the last week, I've been within a couple minutes of being forced to divert to Yakima, WA (known for growing many of the hops used in the US, and cooking most of the meth for central Washington) on two separate occasions, so clearly the universe thinks I need more beer and amphetamines in my life.

The first time was with a medical emergency, which thankfully got better enough that we could continue to Seattle, and the one today was caused by Seattle stopping all arrivals after the weather dropped below CAT III minimums, which had us holding down to within 5 minutes of when we'd have to divert before the field opened up again.

Also, whoever decided "close a runway in Seattle in the fall" was a good plan needs a swift kick in the groin, since it makes everything at that airport even more of a disaster than it normally is.

Since I no longer seem to fly anywhere west of Denver anymore what's up with SeaTac?

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