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Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Potato Salad posted:

Don't bother with his ilk, there's plenty of better journalists in the sea.

As far as MSNBC goes, he's pretty much the best there. Also his book is good and he's a huge champion for criminal justice reform so... I don't really get the hate.

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Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Pander posted:

Uh, Rachel is significantly better, it's just Hayes is significantly better than everyone else but her.

Maddow has the same vaguely "smug liberal" vibe, so I suppose I don't see her as being that much better considering they're both solidly in the "correct" column

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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axeil posted:

51 million uninsured by 2026 hahaha holy poo poo

Holy poo poo, that's atrocious

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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theflyingorc posted:

28 is what would happen under the current law. It's basically exactly the same as the first version

Yeah, but the first version of the bill was also atrocious

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Bueno Papi posted:

Me too but one of those democrats is Feinstein. So, it's sorta a push at this point.

She old. So at least you'll be getting a new and better one somewhat soon.

Looking forward to returning to 2 D senators in 2020, once Gardner and his pretend "moderate" rear end is booted to the curb

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

What are you now then? a socialist?

an idiot

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Tony Montana posted:

I kinda like the way Trump shoved that prime minister. The hand shaking is ridiculous. That guy hung onto the Don like a Ms Universe hopeful..

like I said,

an idiot

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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are lentils the new codeword for "effete liberals" in the dumbass Trump supporter lexicon?

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Tony Montana posted:

this is why you lost

Nazis? We know

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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STAC Goat posted:

Pretty sure it's a "Jew" thing. So, you know, he's slow playing this gimmick.

that's dumb

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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BarbarianElephant posted:

It's the loving alt-left on this site. I'd like to know what they *do* want, because everything every establishment person does is worthless in their eyes. If some amazing Democrat leader managed to introduce full socialized medicine, they'd still whine like little bitches because it didn't cure all cancer instantly or something.

there is no such thing as the "alt-left"

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I agree but what label should we use for someone like Jimmy Dore?

Moron?

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Majin posted:

I think there is, and I agree with the previous poster. I lurk a lot. You may want "Socialism Now!!" But if you've been lurking or posting here for awhile you've got to realize the climate in America doesn't support it on the national level just yet. It's all about baby steps and some movement is better than none when you're talking about being more fair to the average American.

You've still got to do *something* for yourself though, holy hell...

How does simply being a socialist make you equivalent to an organized group of virulent racists and Nazis that have coopted a major political party? bc that's what you're implying with that stupid label.

and if you seriously believe the two are at all equivalent you're an idiot, and gently caress you

Aves Maria! fucked around with this message at 22:43 on May 26, 2017

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

What are "tankies"?

people who honestly think Stalin did nothing wrong. There's probably a handful of them and no one cares about them so comparing them to the alt-right is beyond dumb

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Mahoning posted:

I hope someone has information on the random hobo that killed Seth Rich and Martin Skittles has to pay that person $100,000.

i hope a random hobo has information on the fox newsperson who killed Seth Rich and then Martin Shkreli has to pay that hobo $100,000

also Sean Hannity gets the death penalty

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Rinkles posted:

How big is the alt-right actually? They're loud, but I've always suspected the coverage they got was disproportionate.

big enough to be tastemakers for half of the Republican party.

When the Ds get candidates elected on the platform of "actually the gulags were good" then "alt-left" and its implication will have a right to exist

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Grapplejack posted:

I mean, one of them is a mod of this very forum, so they have some reach, at least. :v:

lol good one

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Rinkles posted:

I wasn't suggesting the initial comparison had merit.

that was less aimed at you and more of a general addendum.

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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pumpinglemma posted:

To be honest, I've only ever heard "alt-left" used as a slur equating leftists with fascists, never to refer to actual tankies.

That's literally all it is. It's a way for aforementioned Nazis and racists to get back at leftists for poisoning their cutesy label for ethnonationalism in the minds of the masses

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Trabisnikof posted:

that probably makes the Alt-Right a massive part of the population.

Nah, however the alt-right is a significant minority and people who sympathize with the goals of the alt-right are a pretty massive part of the population, probably 25-30% tbh

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Ekster posted:

Guess who likes Duterte.

republicans?

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Apoplexy posted:

In case anyone isn't in the know: Duterte calls for the execution, extra-judicially, of drug users. IS AN ADMITTED FENTANYL ADDICT.

yeah, but he's one of the good ones so doesn't deserve to die. not like those other drug users

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

I'll freely admit: I volunteered to canvass and GOTV for Hillary and I still feel burned from the election. I don't care if it's Zuckerberg or somebody else, I just want a fire-starter from the left. :(

i did too, but I'd rather that fire actually come from the left and not a loving worthless tech billionaire

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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the idea of ivanka and baby kush being thrown in jail and ruined will never not make me happy

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Teriyaki Koinku posted:

I guess to change subjects to a more productive question left from the election: is there anybody on the bench in the foreseeable future to provide a credible Dem candidate from the left by 2020? Especially against an incumbent advantage (assuming Trump or Pence are still in, which is highly questionable)?

Duckworth has been passed around as an option, as far as I know. Will it just take time for someone to be recognized within four years' time?

Obama was a relative unknown before the 2004 DNC speech. Is there a comparable figure we could look to now with potential?

Franken, Duckworth, Gillibrand, Booker seem to be the ones with the best credentials in terms of visibility on the national stage, though their palatability to the left varies pretty greatly

Harris is a dark horse I guess

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Party Plane Jones posted:

At this point we're just waiting for Notch's body to be discovered hanging in his mansion; dude really went off the deep end of depression/moronism after moving to LA and realized he's sitting in a 6000 sq foot multimillion dollar home and knows nobody.

someone check to see if he's talked about buying industrial steel cable recently

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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i, for one, am shocked that women in beverly hills would be uninterested in a "person" like Notch

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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FizFashizzle posted:

Enjoy club fed

Wapo: Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin

link

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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enraged_camel posted:

Dude, there's a TON of gold-diggers in Beverly Hills. If not even one of them will hook up with Notch, that honestly says a lot about him...

it says a lot about him being an anti-social manatee

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

This is another one of the "Not technically illegal, but why on earth would you do this unless you either really knew what you were doing or had no idea what you were doing" scandals for the Trump pile.

It is kind of sad that he could actually successfully defend this by saying he just had no idea what was going on and TECHNICALLY since nothing was ever transferred over it; nothing illegal could have happened.

I'm guessing this will just be used as more grist for the "collusion" mill, assuming they have more concrete evidence.

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Ekster posted:

This feels like a what-if scenario where Nixon is retarded.

pretend I posted that gif with nixon's face pasted on it

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Calaveron posted:

So if Obama's administration had been accused of like half of the things going on in the current one, how far into it before they started 25ing him

He would've dodged probably a half-dozen assassination attempts by now

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Grapplejack posted:

poo poo like this happens all the time, you're just hearing about this one. Crazy man yells on public transport > someone tells him to shut up > violence is unfortunately common. It's the lack of mental health services for people like him that lead to these situations :(

Either that, or he's just a loving racist piece of trash. Give them the same benefit of the doubt that Rs give minorities

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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PT6A posted:

Please just stop. Your country is full of utter loving morons, who elected an utter loving moron for president. You can quibble about the exact numbers, but in the end, America made its choice, and it chose a man in its own image: an intellectually incurious, bigoted, fat sack of poo poo. All the protests and hand-waving in the world can't change that, until we (the rest of the world) see Trump dragged out of the white house in handcuffs like he deserves.

Fair enough, but not being massively incorrect about who voted for Trump and in what numbers would probably help your case.

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Despera posted:

If Bernie isn't the far left, nobody of importance exists in that area.

Well, yeah. Nobody of importance in US politics does.

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Krispy Kareem posted:

The plans to allow offshore profits in at a reduced tax rate. I think 10% is the number going around.

There's approximately a trillion dollars in profits sitting in overseas banks waiting to be brought back in. If even half of that is returned you're going to see a huge wave of corporate spending and mergers and acquisitions.

Tax holidays don't work. They don't create jobs, they're just a giveaway to large corporations.

I don't know why we're even pretending that it would do anything - Bush tried the same thing and it had zero effect on job growth in America. We may as well be talking about the merits of trickle-down or cutting federal spending.

Aves Maria! fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jun 3, 2017

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Bueno Papi posted:

Didn't most of the Bush profit repatriation go to stock buy-backs and bonuses?

Yeah. And, ironically, the companies who repatriated the most actually ended up cutting jobs.

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Krispy Kareem posted:

Businesses don't spend when they're uncertain about the future. The clusterfuck that was 2007 scared a lot of companies into more of the Japanese model (save, save, save) and away from the US model of being so leveraged you can't even make payroll if someone hiccups. But at some point all that extra money becomes ridiculous and needs to go somewhere. Also the Japanese model sucks if taken too far.

So they could do stock buybacks which would boost Wall Street. Or they can consolidate via mergers. Or they can remodel stores and buy newer equipment. Any of those and the economy keeps humming along. If businesses bring back those profits they will buy something with them. Especially Apple, since they've got 300 billion just sitting around and are falling behind in several new technologies.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/what-happened-the-last-time-companies-got-a-break-on-overseas-profits.html

quote:

Contrary to the intent, the benefits skewed toward a select few companies in a select few industries. Rather than use the money for hiring and capital purchases, companies plowed the cash into share buybacks and dividends, and many of the biggest beneficiaries actually cut American jobs in the years after the repatriation.

"While empirical evidence is clear that this provision resulted in a significant increase in repatriated earnings, empirical evidence is unable to show a corresponding increase in domestic investment or employment," the Congressional Research Service, Congress' nonpartisan think tank, said in a report.

The CRS cited a series of reports into the benefits of repatriation, with a common theme that the 2004 program was "an ineffective means of increasing economic growth."

and https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203633104576623771022129888

quote:

The 15 companies that benefited the most from a 2004 tax break for the return of their overseas profits cut more than 20,000 net jobs and decreased the pace of their research spending, according to report from the Democratic staff of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations released Monday night.

So no, a tax holiday is not going to keep the economy "humming along", it's not going to increase research funding, and the only argument you could make is that it makes Wall Street happy which is an incredibly poor indicator for the overall health of the economy.

What you're talking about has been tried, and it failed. Zombie conservative economic theories aren't going to save us.

Aves Maria! fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jun 3, 2017

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Krispy Kareem posted:

Stock buybacks would keep the economic expansion going. It's not necessarily a great way to do it, but it would have a short-term positive effect.

It's difficult to predict because the Great Recession and the government's response to it has kind of broken how some of this stuff is supposed to work. If you look at domestic companies like Comcast and AT&T, they've been very active in spending their money and expansion. It makes sense for multinationals to do the same once extra capital is freed up. But people who say otherwise make sense too.

I mean, you can believe what you want but I have yet to see a credible report that says that a tax holiday would result in anything other than lost government revenue and a negligible net effect on economic growth. We'd be better off doing literally anything else that isn't just a supply-side abstraction. And those things could possibly create a buffer for an economic downturn while a tax holiday would not.

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

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Krispy Kareem posted:

I'm not sure where you get that. Atlanta is one of those places where you can't avoid rubbing elbows with other races. They may not like each other and they may be racist fucks, but everyone realizes they have to get along. Even the suburbs are often 30% Black, which is 3x their national proportion.

The suburbs are pretty well segregated. Brookhaven and Buckhead come to mind.

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First reply to that tweet

https://twitter.com/molly_knight/status/872538358311903233

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