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Sep 24, 2014

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FourLeaf posted:

I lost a lot of esteem for her because of the Russia focus and also the bizarre tease about Trump's tax returns.

As it turns out she was completely correct about Russia, so

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Sep 24, 2014

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glowing-fish posted:

OMG...wait

Do you really, seriously, really...think you have mountains.

OMG.

Just...I don't.


Wow.

Is your thing mocking people who don't understand the geography of where you're from by being purposely obtuse about the geography of where they're from, because if so that's a really asinine and pointlessly aggressive way to make that point, we get it, most people do not live in the most rural places imaginable and therefore don't have much perspective about those places

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Sep 24, 2014

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Caros posted:

This is actually a good thing you dunce.

Congress passing a new AUMF is a minor step, sure, but it is a minor step in the right direction of reigning in executive power to unilaterally attack other countries.

I'd they don't do this, then trump just points to the absurdly broad readings Thst have been used for a decade to excuse the ever widening middle east gently caress bucket.

I mean, sure, they could gently caress this up. But I don't really see how they could make it worse.

It's this, passing a new, less absurdly broad AUMF has been a priority for some of the foreign affairs focused folks in the Senate for a while. The other three options are: make no change and allow this white house to make use of an AUMF that courts have interpreted to authorize waging total war against God himself, pass an even broader one (?????), or repeal all AUMFs completely, which is a stupid idea eliminating all our ability to do even the stuff everyone agrees needs to happen and wouldn't pass anything ever.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Furnaceface posted:

This seems like such a very very bad idea. Do you guys have to gently caress with your constitution to remedy this or has it just been tradition for so long that no one has bothered to try and change it?

Sheriff is a local position and thus the mechanisms for appointing or electing them are enshrined in state constitutions, not the federal one. But yes, it comes down to tradition mostly.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Just don't put the word "socialism" within a hundred miles of any poll question about it.

Also, be extremely vague about how you plan to pay for it, and whatever you do, don't mention the words raise and taxes anywhere near each other.

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Sep 24, 2014

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AstheWorldWorlds posted:

Hey guy, you're the one harboring delusions that the United States is in fact not locked down by the right wing due in part to the very structure of our government at the foundational level. I'm merely stating that in the 100% fantasy scenario of the west coast and northeast splitting they would have more latitude than being trapped in a structure they would be powerless in.

Don't you think it's telling that so far all the plans people have been throwing around for unfucking the union hinge upon a decades long plan with a staggering amount of moving parts requiring an unprecedented level of peaceful political mobilization in a fractured and precarious environment, arguably the largest mass movement in history. You all know this is unlikely as gently caress.

Voting sometimes: a plan that is more complicated and with more moving parts then somehow managing to peacefully dismantle the world's largest economy.

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Sep 24, 2014

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TheScott2K posted:

Yeeeea! 757's in a good one!

Yeah, the general beef I have with most of these dis United States maps is that they Place Virginia with the South despite that not really being the case for the last decade or so. Megalopolis maps are probably closer to reality, because like the actual South vs North conflict, they are based on economic ties. Rump United States Northeast megalopolis for the win.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Young Freud posted:

On a related note, at which point does a state no longer be a state. Like if, say, Montana gets wiped out due to an overturned train loaded with nerve gas or, less violently, 80-90% of the people just up and abandoned the state and move out, at what point do we have to admit that the state is no longer self-supporting and the territory probably better off being divided among functioning states.

Theoretically, the legislature of Montana would have to consent to any such move, or otherwise to the cessation of statehood in any way.

In general, any alterations in the relationship between a territory and the union require the consent of the legislature of the territory and question and Congress.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Fart City posted:

It looks like Hillary has entered the belligerent, nonsensical fat Orson Welles stage of her career, and Donald Trump is her frozen peas.

So is this just a random live tweet from someone in the audience at some talk or something, because it seems like this person might potentially not be accurately representing the context of some things. Not to jump in front of the Hillary angst train that likes to get going every now and then.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Radish posted:

There's a difference between having a hard on hatred for Hillary (which I don't have) and wondering what she is adding after 2017 as a politician and an activist. You can feel that she was totally screwed by a lot of things totally outside her control, that she faced a lot of adversity based on her gender, accomplished a lot as a politician, and that she should definitely have been president but also question what she is adding when she is also the most galvanizing figure in the Democratic party, has terrible judgement in picking her close allies, and does not seem to have much in terms of campaigning intuition especially compared to her husband.

The response that as the most prominent and successful female politician she should stick around to show that she was not beaten I think was a good answer to my question.

She's kick-rear end at fundraising and is channeling dough into folks like swing left to finance down ballot races in 2018, and also a lot of people like her and she can serve to inspire more people to enter public service and strive to achieve things they might be told aren't achievable. It's ironic that it took losing to spur the largest movement in that direction in decades, of course.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Oh drat, looks like Donald Trump reads night Trump thread every morning before tweeting. Explains a lot, I guess.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Pakled posted:

Thomas did surprisingly vote against NC's racial gerrymandering a few weeks ago, so there might be an inkling of a soul in him.

That wasn't a soul issue iirc, he just thinks you're unable to use race as a factor ever, including to make minority majority districts, and the NC GOP was dumb enough to state outright that was what they had done. If they bother to pretend, or stick to political gerrymandering, Thomas is just peachy.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Kaal posted:

There's a big loophole in the tax system where you can allege the value of a property based on what you could develop there; without having to actually develop it. The $100 million figure was probably based on some exaggerated vision of a casino / golf course / hotel empire that hypothetically could have been built. It's tax fraud but the government doesn't fight back very hard about it. The real estate industry is filled with huckster poo poo like this.

The drawback to this strategy is that if your local government has their poo poo together, they'll point out that if your land was worth that much thanks to its "highest and best use," you should have been paying property taxes on that amount, and in almost no case does anyone do this. Unfortunately, most local governments are either so eager to fellate the wealthy and big businesses that they just let it happen, or are so underfunded and lacking in the proper legal expertise that it would be an uphill battle. Land use and local government law is actually a really fascinating area where a lawyer can do a lot of good if they're willing to work for less than hilarious millions and be picky about their clients.

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Sep 24, 2014

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ReidRansom posted:

What a loving hack. Wasn't he somewhat credible at one point though? Maybe I'm misremembering.

Glenn Greenwald's worldview proceeds wholly from the one single unshakeable axiom that The United States And Its Intelligence Agencies Are Evil. Which isn't wrong, per se, but he is very black-and-white about it, views other evils as less important than that one, and maybe even distractions from it, and does not believe that the US IC is capable of telling the truth except to serve evil ends. So his gut instinct when the IC unanimously announced that Russia had meddled in the election was that they were either a) lying or b) telling the truth but believing them and acting accordingly would only help Them. Everything ever since has been doubling down, endlessly.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Party Plane Jones posted:

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/873001887909400576

Does... does he not get how special counsels work?

That, or he's just following the current GOP talking point, which is "haha oh good now that comey has totally vindicated trump, all this stuff with Russia is completely done, nothing to see here folks, MAGA along" followed by suspiciously jaunty whistling and looking shiftily into dark corners. They're all doing it.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Rinkles posted:

Second only to EMAILS.

Which, for those playing along at home, is why leaking EMAILS actually works out to be a good thing.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Honestly, I suspect a fair amount, though not all, of the support he's lost since January would come back in the face of the election. It might not be enough for him to win, but it wouldn't be as easy as it looks from here. Now, if the recession we have in the pipeline strikes between now and then, or he bungles a major natural disaster, he's hosed completely, as opposed to just facing a severe challenge.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Good Soldier Svejk posted:

It's the non-Huckabee part of her soul trying to gain control of the flesh form.

Surely it would be quicker just to say her soul. :confused:

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Sep 24, 2014

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Captain Invictus posted:

like that flooding where the cleanup would require what, like 560 million dollars, and he offered 2 million. that one that has already happened?

Nah, i'm talking about a major city getting completely decimated, Katrina scale. That was bad, but not the kind of national scale bad that put George W. Bush in the ditch. Admittedly, much like Bush got a boost from 911 that I don't think a comparable event would give Trump, there's not quite as much mushy middle for Trump to lose in a Katrina event as Bush had. But it would nonetheless hurt him, and he doesn't have as much approval to lose as bush did then, either.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Al-Saqr posted:

Kurt is really one of those people who should re-learn how to live life without twitter. it's clearly destroying him.

That, or learn how to do Twitter better. He's stuck in the Twitter uncanny valley right now, alongside every grandmother who heard that kids these days are using the tweeter.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Sure, but that's small potatoes. What about gay abortions?

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Sep 24, 2014

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Crabtree posted:

Sorry, I've only lived in a world where its like Krispy Creme or some normalish civilian company hangs around parades. Pride or otherwise. But I'll get used to the idea of Tiger Swan having a pride float.

It's generally local businesses and companies that participate in parades, but DC's local businesses and companies happen to include defense contractors.

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Sep 24, 2014

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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

He's Not Wrong™

If you ever find yourself saying this about Trump, strongly consider how you got here because it is never true

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Sep 24, 2014

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mcvey posted:

I give them a 5/7 looool

Meh, you give them too much credit. I'd give them 14/88 and that's being generous

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Sep 24, 2014

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Ularg posted:

What happened to dems obstructing everything he tries to do?

Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical blah blah blah

Actually Trump is incapable of cognitive dissonance not because he somehow suppresses the dissonance but because what he does barely counts as cognition

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Sep 24, 2014

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Night10194 posted:

Again: That's actually way more 'inappropriate' than I'd expect from the modern GOP.

Behold: the mythical GOP voter who disapproved of trump but voted for him anyway.

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Sep 24, 2014

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axeil posted:

I'll hold ya to it. I won't shoot you though because I don't own any guns.

I wish there was more of a difference in the Lt. Gov. candidates. I ended up voting for Fairfax (the black dude) because he went to the most prestigious law school and seemed to have the best resume.

I'm super glad that our attorneys general can run for re election though, because Herring has been solid.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Covok posted:

AHCA has some Senate Dem support apparently, so I guess my horrible prediction it'd pass unaltered is true. God, I hate being right all the time how awful this admin is.

Stop Covoking.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Overwined posted:

Bernie finally starting to speak out against Establishment Democrats that have been trying to baldly skullfuck him for years:



Link to the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/...eft-region&_r=1

I really don't understand how you managed to sensationalize the story even more than the mainstream media entity that wrote it and assigned it a headline, yet here we are.

Very little of the actual contents of the article are in any way controversial in the modern democratic party, to be honest. He's really not doing too much blasting here.

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Sep 24, 2014

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RottenK posted:

The opinion of the republican base doesn't matters because they'll be froth at the mouth angry at libruls no matter what, but the democrats do need to look good to the people who aren't surgically attached to one of the parties for life, and that probably requires some amount of pretending to care.

Bingo, Democrats still want to see their elected representatives be human beings. It's a disadvantage in some ways, but we simply cannot get away with booing Republicans after they get shot at. This provides no political capital Ryan didn't already have because the concept of political capital is largely bullshit woo; he hasn't gained any votes for anything out of this. Nobody's opinion about AHCA is swayed by this. It's a momentary blip that may inspire a brief push towards unity from the mushy middle but let's be honest, Congress contains no mushy middle, and that's what matters here.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Mantis42 posted:

centrist dems were already like this

What are the "centrist Dems" going to vote for now that they weren't before

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Sep 24, 2014

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And just like that, the cloud of near terminal depression surrounding the Trump thread is dispelled, though in our hearts we all know it is not gone, merely lurking in the shadows behind our eyes, waiting for the mattering to stop again.

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Sep 24, 2014

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hanales posted:

Lol. Someone buy him an account here.

He would have a ball posting in the Suck Zone I suspect!

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Sep 24, 2014

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botany posted:

holy poo poo you actually think you're some modern day cassandra instead of this thread's louise mensch. you're so goddamn high on your own farts it's unbelievable. you already have a thread dedicated to your half-baked pseudo-sociology, don't poo poo this one up ffs

Prester Jane's posts are better than this post, actually, and it's easy enough to read their interesting observations and take their predictions with a grain of salt if you feel the need. There is a lot of overlap between threads in this forum and "insane ways the right wing thinks" is very relevant to PJ's own thread, the RWM thread, and this one at the very least.

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Sep 24, 2014

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evilweasel posted:

what senators really need is an explanation of how you problematically create a hundred thousand unique amendments. or just go ahead and do it, make a web app that creates an arbitrary number of amendments that pass reconciliation (must have an effect on the budget), preferably ones that would be vaugely bad to vote against

my suggestion: one that increases the tax rate on the rich in increments of 0.0000001% and directs that money to pre-existing conditions

"first, i propose an amendment to raise the top income tax bracket to 39.6000000001, and the capital gains tax rate to 20.0000000001, and all money raised by this goes to the grossly underfunded high-risk pools. i put this to a vote. no? ok, how about we raise the top income tax bracket to 39.6000000002%, and the capital gains tax rate to 20.0000000002%? i put this to a vote. no? ok, ..."

Presiding officer can rule amendments out of order and just move on, with 50 votes even if there's no rule saying so.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Happy Escalator Day, everyone!

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Sep 24, 2014

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hiddenriverninja posted:

What would the Secret Service do if Trump went to the Library of Congress (I'm assuming) to burn the original Constitution?

The Constitution, along with the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, are on display at the National Archives, as lovingly documented in the famously educational documentary film National Treasure.

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Sep 24, 2014

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axeil posted:

Fun fact: The volunteers at Jamestown are very patient when you ask them how "Colors of the Wind" impacted the nascent Virginia settlement.

I've worked there, and personally get all of my relationship advice from the population of talking trees which probably explains a lot really.

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Sep 24, 2014

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Dogwood Fleet posted:

Donald Trump is the first president in over a century to not have a White House pet. Most presidents have had at least one dog. What kind of lovely president doesn't love dogs?



Dogs are extremely good and this thread would be way better if all posters were dogs. In fact, if mankind ever meets a benevolent alien society and they ask for proof we are capable of being our best selves, we should probably show them our relationship with dogs, while carefully shoving dogfighting and the awful atrocity that is the pug under the carpet.

Quorum fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jun 18, 2017

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Sep 24, 2014

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Endorph posted:

hoyl poo poo

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