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Aug 5, 2001

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Groovelord Neato posted:

jared really is one dumb mutherfucker.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. His father actually went to jail for illegal campaign contributions. In 2005. :lol:

The father's cover up of it is what landed him in jail.

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Aug 5, 2001

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STAC Goat posted:

It would be funny if Jacobs had started that stupid meme but I'm pretty sure it was this guy who was like Jeb's campaign manager and was this seminole moment of Jeb's and the GOP's hopelessness against Trump.

I thought it was the Jeb screaming out a car window while driving away "Did I say his name? Did I say his name?!"

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Aug 5, 2001

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Spaced God posted:

Part of me wonders if it would be beneficial to get a pardon, not testify, and then go to jail for contempt because the punishment for that would be way less than, say, the punishment for undermining the nation. Plus it's just JKush, not anyone he could incriminate by testifying. That'd be some real Mafia rear end poo poo

The punishment for contempt is jail until you testify if they so choose.

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Aug 5, 2001

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Deadulus posted:

The healthcare celebration party feels like a lifetime ago.

3 weeks

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Aug 5, 2001

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Trasson posted:

Giving stuff to Russia in the current political climate won't get called capital t Treason in court.

Why? After all, "aid and comfort" to enemies is vaguely defined, right?

Thing is, if you charge or accuse someone of treason, you're also saying that whoever they were helping was an enemy. Thus, no treason charge because like hell anyone sensible is going to give Putin the political ammo of "America said we are their enemy".

Flynn might have delayed military missions against ISIS in order to help Turkey. That's gonna be as close as you can get.

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Aug 5, 2001

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EnergizerFellow posted:

What's the over-under bet on him silently having a mysterious "boating accident" like 3 years after getting kicked out?

Over two boating accidents.

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Aug 5, 2001

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Darth Windu posted:

Can someone honestly explain why the Seth rich thing isn't super worrisome, thanks in advances.

Anthony Weiner is still alive.

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Aug 5, 2001

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Seriously. Hillary Clinton is prescient enough to murder Seth Rich, but perpetual gently caress up, adulterer, and pedophile Anthony Weiner, who is married to your closest aide and will cause the biggest scandals because he's married to your closest aide, that guy gets a free pass because reasons.

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Aug 5, 2001

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Ice Phisherman posted:

Because it isn't. It's been debunked. The PI who was doing the investigation work came out with some worrying stuff, but it was fed to him by the GOP. And when he later backtracked on the statements he pointed at the GOP as his source for said information.

If Hillary killed people she would have had Wiener's head on a stick months ago.

If Weiner recieved the following email:

Hey Anthony. This is definitely not Hillary Clinton's contract assassin. I saw your ad on Craigslist. I want to meet up in the swamp by the Meadowlands. Let's meet at midnight. Bring no one. Here's a picture. I'm so very turned on by you. Oh baby.

80% chance he shows up.

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Aug 5, 2001

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pacmania90 posted:

If this is true, shouldn't he be arrested and charged with a crime?

The New Zealand police are gonna get right on it as soon as an American makes a complaint.

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The big difference between actual conspiracies and conspiracy theories is what is the response to new evidence. I'm paraphrasing a speaker on conspiracy theories I once heard, but, In an actual conspiracy, the more questions that are asked and the more evidence that comes out, the conspiracy becomes more clear. In a conspiracy theory, the picture becomes cloudier as time goes on. The people that are pushing the idea that an actual conspiracy occurred use new evidence like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. The people that push a conspiracy theory will change disqualifying evidence as evidence of an even larger conspiracy.

Watergate is a great example. Again to paraphrase the speaker, we know more about Watergate now than we ever have. We know the identity of Deep Throat. We know each player in the game and aside from the gaps in the Nixon Tapes, the conspiracy is well spelled out. However, if we go back to 2-3 weeks before the Saturday Night Massacre, all we knew was there was a burglary and a couple of guys plead guilty, and there was a revelation that the Nixon Tapes existed. At this point, there was a lot of a smoke but no fire. No one knew about the smoking gun. Deep Throat was a mystery leaker. It would have been almost tinfoil at the time to suggest that Nixon was a mastermind behind the cover up, but that's what happened.

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Lassitude posted:

I've had a few right-wingers tell me that, in fact, the Nazis were leftists. In person too, not a YouTube comment or whatever. A certain percentage of people seem to have no idea what right-wing or left-wing mean, beyond [things I don't like] = left-wing.

National SOCIALISM helllooooo can't you recognize a liberal when it's in the name?

John Birch Society founders would be proud.

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Ice Phisherman posted:

I look at this and see multiple failed states waiting to happen.

If the US were to break up into states, I would imagine Alaska and Hawaii get chopped up / end up as minor territories to other countries. You'll have a west coast state, Mormon Utah, Mountain States / Unclaimed, Mid West, Texas / Southwest, South, and Northeast. Maybe a small independent south Florida. How can people screw this up so bad?

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Fojar38 posted:

Putting Ontario with the Midlands is the most :psyduck: thing ever

Half of Yankeedom is completely cut off from the other half and reliant on the Midlands not loving them over. Also, the Midlands is reliant on New France not screwing them over on trade.


Alkydere posted:

Insisting any part of Texas as anything but Texas.

Seriously, what is this "Greater Appalachia" bullshit extending all the loving way to pick up Austin, let alone West loving Texas and nibbling into New Mexico?

I realize it's a cultural map, but holy poo poo that is some heavy white-washing if you think central and west Texas have anything at all to do with Appalachia.

Basically, if the USA were to fracture, you'd have the former Confederate States, WV, MO, OK, and the southern halves of Ohio, Indiana and Illinois try to become the New Confederacy. Texas would try to take a leading role in the government and claim the capital and the internal squabble would break down because the Texans would be insufferable.. Texas would take east to Shreveport and Lake Charles and north to Tulsa/OKC and try to claim as far West, likely the Rio Grande.


That America 2050 map is way off for Texas, unless they predict that population to shrink. Dallas / Fort Worth Metro Area is already 7 million.

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VitalSigns posted:

Texas would immediately fail as an independent state, because although in theory we send about as much to the federal government as we get back on average, in practice Texas would never tax appropriately and become a corrupt bankrupt crumbling petrostate trying to squeeze more blood from the poor to fill its massive budget hole

They would fund through sales and property taxes. No income tax. It would be super regressive.

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1-800-DOCTORB posted:

California maybe? Water might be an issue.

California would immediately take over as much of the Colorado River as they could with Lake Mead being a huge priority.. Northern California gets most of their water from mostly within California, but California would at least expand to include Reno and Las Vegas. Maybe get as far East as Flagstaff. It's all fantasy anyway, but someone in Las Vegas has much more in common with someone from Los Angeles or San Francisco than someone from Alaska or Idaho.


For the missing emails, I wonder if the Trump Campaign team realizes those can be recovered. Trump's Razor says they're still sitting in the "Trash" archive folder.

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Aug 5, 2001

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maskenfreiheit posted:

I'd prefer Tom from MySpace



If Zuckerberg runs, the Winklevoss twins will follow. No one wants that.

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Radish posted:

I thought the problem in Kansas was that it was actually closish but the DNC didn't really give a poo poo about it while the Republicans saturated the airwaves with their messaging.

This happened in Montana as well. While the Democratic challenger spent more with the individual campaign, Super PAC groups spent a ton of money on the Republican candidate. Overall Republicans spent more on the race in Montana.

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Tatsuta Age posted:

To white knight mcmagic for a sec (wtf is wrong with me), what ended up shaking out in MT/KS? More Dem voters, less repub voters, more crossovers? Can't look it up at work right now

White college educated republicans/independents are not turning out or voting D. The Republican base is depressed by a few percentage points.

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Aug 5, 2001

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One of the actual whistles made it through quality control at the Dog Whistle Factory

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Aug 5, 2001

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enraged_camel posted:

Yeah, like I said a couple of weeks ago:



The bots might also be trying to push certain viewpoints from Trump in order to preempt the market response. I don't believe it's illegal to post articles online with the intent to influence the President.

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Ever crossed the road and looked the wrong way? And hey presto, a car's nearly on you, so what do you do? You freeze. And your life doesn't flash before your eyes, 'cause you're too loving scared to think – you just freeze, and pull a stupid face. The pikey didn't – why?

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30% favorable with 10% very favorable. 55% unfavorable with 40% very unfavorable. Only 67% of Republicans rate as favorable.

If this passes, it's going to be one of the biggest self owns in politics since Preseident Harrison.

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Aug 5, 2001

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bobjr posted:

There's always the "Oh this won't affect me" people even thought it'll totally ruin their lives.

Which makes this legislation even more nonsensical. The people in states that didn't take the Medicaid expansion are already hosed. You can't make healthcare more miserable for them. In fact, you might make healthcare more affordable for the young people who vote less. Then the people this will impact the most are 50-64 year olds who are going to have huge premium increases. Then you have the +20% additional premiums for 2018 which is looking to be around +40% for 2018. And the people that can't react to huge economic upheavals are those without college / advanced degrees.

Helluva time to be pushing increases in drivers license fees and voter ID.

titanium posted:

Ford? GET OFF MY (health) PLAN!

William Henry Harrison

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titanium posted:

I just wanted to make an Airforce One joke bruv.

I just wanted to make a William Henry Harrison joke. The curse of Tippecanoe needs to endure.

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Aug 5, 2001

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Jaxyon posted:

What's the dumbest possible hot-take you could get from the Montana election?

Remember this is the Trump admin

The victories in Montana and Kansas are a sign that the AHCA should go full steam ahead, unchanged. It's also further confirmation that firing Comey was right. Also, don't body slam reporters. *wink*

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Aug 5, 2001

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Dexo posted:

Hillary is literally a graduate of Yale Law. And has been a career politician.

She's likely competent enough in matters involving talking about cases to deal with basic inquiries and questions on her own.

Trump is not.

It's not like Yale Law School is the best in the country.
-Ted Cruz

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Aug 5, 2001

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STAC Goat posted:

Personally I'm embarrassed that you're all still making jokes about it after both Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee did. We as a collective nation/world should all just quietly move on and never speak of this again.

Ted Cruz is a joke so big, he collapsed into a joke black hole. Nothing funny can escape its event horizon.

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logger posted:

If anything wouldn't acting unhinged like that encourage more advertisers to drop Hannity.

I swear it's like the National Lampoon cover that where a guy holds a gun to a puppies head with the caption "Buy this magazine or the puppy gets it." except it's not satirical.

Sean knows we're in a universe that obeys Chrono Trigger rules. He's desperately trying to change the outcome.

But the future refuses to change...



Pictured: Sean Hannity in 2020 with his robotic arm

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Fojar38 posted:

Replacing a genocidal authoritarian dictatorship with another genocidal authoritarian dictatorship seems like a bad idea. We should be able to find a better replacement.

More like:



Pictured: President Chelsea Clinton, Vice President Michael Moore, First Son William Jefferson Clinton II, and Ambassador Obama Osama Bin Laden in 2021 in the Oval Office

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glowing-fish posted:

Seven bedrooms doesn't seem that extravagent. I mean, a standard house has three bedrooms, so this was about double normal size? And two million dollars in an urban real estate market doesn't seem to be too much.

I mean, I think their point was that he grew up in upper-middle class surburbia, not owning private islands in the Carribean. It seems like that might be the upbringing that someone whose parents were doctors, lawyers or successful professionals might have?

Upper middle class =\= $2 million 7 bed 5 bath home. A mortgage on this home would be around $10k per month.

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I wonder what the worst palatable amendment that an Article 5 constitutional convention could get through. You still need 3/4 of the state legislature or state ratifying convention. 38 states would need to be on board.

I think the worst would probably be "3/4ths majority required in congress to pass any tax increases".

That would kneecap the government.

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That would be delicious irony if CA and NY proposed an amendment that spelled out how to make seceding from the Union legal. It would get shot down so fast.

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Subvisual Haze posted:

Balanced budget amendment would probably get a lot of support and gently caress over the economy hardcore.

Why not combine them into one super lovely amendment?

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I mean building new wind power is already cheaper than building new coal power. As soon as the cost to generate power from wind drops below the cost to generate coal, the coal market is going to drop out within a decade to zero. Who benefits? The companies and countries that adopted first.

Basically the USA is in the process of another economic self own.

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Crain posted:

Yes. My coal country cousins from WV legitimately say they are against retraining, against altering the state's "industry identity", and want it to be coal or nothing.

One of them is even a loving machinist, but works exclusively on coal mining equipment repairing the heavy machines and making new parts for 80+ year old stuff.

He could make parts for anything. He could be making parts for Turbines, frames for solar panels, anything.

But no. Coal country.

What do they say about natural gas?

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The Lord of Hats posted:

No, but at this point it's not even that coal is dying, it's that it's just straight-up dead. It has this historical image as the backbone of heavy industry, but it isn't remotely close too that at this point. It's not "what other job" it's "what job", because the coal jobs just do not exist. It's not coal miners losing their jobs, it's new people being unable to find work as coal miners.

We absolutely do need to help these people, just like we need to help any member of the working class, but it isn't going to happen because the coal industry makes a sudden resurgence. At the end of the day the proposed solution has to actually work.

Looking into the numbers 3-4% of coal power generation is declining per year. Coal peaked in the mid 2000s in terms of capacity and since then it's down 20%. This decline is accelerating. Natural gas is eating coal's lunch and it's about to give it a swirly. It's not an issue of regulations and costs. You can't prop up coal at this point without heavy subsidies.

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STAC Goat posted:

I always forget its weird that bars around here stay open until 4. It was such a culture shock when I started traveling and found out that bars closed at like the time I would go out at home.


Yeah, this doesn't mean anything more than MAYBE Joe Biden is MAYBE thinking of MAYBE running so he's getting the ball running and doing the pre-pre-work. But he could just as easily just be raising money for other political advocacy or bar tabs or something because even if he doesn't plan to run for oldest President ever he still isn't ready to retire from the politics.

Having lived in places where there's 24 hour bars, the biggest advantage is 3-5AM bar food when you're sober.

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Good lord does this man have a goofy face but Jon Bel Edwards has won two national elections in blood red Louisiana. He might be a good person to get on the ticket.

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Silly Burrito posted:

He basically won because David Vitter pissed off so many people that other Republicans refused to endorse him. He's having a really tough time trying to get anything pushed through in Louisiana right now. As it looks right now, he's probably going to be voted out in 2019 if the Republicans run anyone mildly palatable.

The budget was a disaster going in. It's gotten a lot better. The Medicaid expansion saved the parish hospitals from going bankrupt. Sure he's going to have trouble getting stuff pushed through but the state is bankrupt and needs to find the money from somewhere. The federal funding for New Orleans was running out in 2015 so a bunch of new buildings are starting to finish. That's good because there's 50% less abandoned buildings now. The only downside is they are condos.

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