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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Missionary Positron posted:

I realize that, but I just can't understand why it's coal of all things. Am I missing some cultural context here?

EDIT: https://twitter.com/sparksjls/status/870355669882417152
Coal is a symbol. Coal jobs are overwhelmingly in Republican districts (solar jobs aren't, necessarily) and are emblematic of an industry that has remained American in the face of globalization pressures, and also has massive negative externalities. It's not just Republicans: Hillary promised to "put a lot of coal miners out of work" during the campaign, and her supporters understood exactly what ideas she was committing to: prioritizing international and environmental issues irrespective of the costs to poor, flyover state workers. People in Palo Alto like the idea of people in West Virginia reaping the whirlwind for their failure to embrace modern economic realities (and 21st century social values.) This obviously doesn't sell well in West Virginia.

Further, it plays into domino theories of policy: if we acknowledge that coal is externally harmful and needs to be wound down, you could say the same thing about beef ranching, suburban homes, lifted trucks, private vehicle ownership in general, and a ton of other elements of traditional or modern rural life. And no one believes that Hillary's desire to force people to act in the optimal way for the global good irrespective of personal cost is in any way limited to coal miners.

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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Larry Parrish posted:

remember when California spent a fuckload on a new bay bridge and it started crumbling during construction

This is why maybe we shouldn't subcontract to China for materials, or should take a time machine back to the Clinton administration and keep them from driving other steel manufacturers out of business by dumping on the market.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

farraday posted:

The US has about 10k people at the main Qatari airbase,
and every single one of them would be delighted if the place closed down and never came back.

It is a pit.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Deathy McDeath posted:

We need a Muslim travel ban to protect us from Britons!

The named suspects were a Pakistani immigrant and a Moroccan/Libyan immigrant, so this isn't exactly a great way to dunk on Donnie for suggesting that people from majority Muslim nations shouldn't be let into the country.

quote:

London’s Metropolitan Police identified the assailants as 27-year-old Khuram Shazad Butt, a British citizen who was born in Pakistan, and 30-year-old Rachid Redouane, who had claimed to be Moroccan and Libyan.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

facialimpediment posted:

By the way, the Notre Dame thing turned out to be some guy deciding it was hammer time and the police weren't so thrilled about it.

What is French for "Florida Man"?

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
The greatest story ever told:
"That time Donald Trump spent an incredibly uncomfortable hour with Tony Yayo and DJ Whoo Kid to impress Donald Jr., who loved 50 Cent."

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
I sincerely hope someone on the interview panel asked him if he has ever cut off an enemy's ear with a tomahawk.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
"Yes."
"Welcome to Astronaut Training, Dr. Kim."

Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jun 8, 2017

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

shame on an IGA posted:

PISTOL GRIP GUNT ON MY LAP AT ALL TIMES
PISTOL GRIP GUNT ON MY LAP AT ALL TIMES
PISTOL GRIP GUNT ON MY LAP AT ALL TIMES
This did not get the love it deserved.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

dscruffy1 posted:

Chalk this up to me not being much of a gun nut but that pistol seems to be extremely open to easy lifting. Particularly with cool kiltboy being on his phone.
It's harder than you would think, but in this case, still easier than it ought to be.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Clear something up for me, passive retention is "how tight" the holster is, then? And active has some locking mechanism?

Yes. The simplest mechanism is often just a strap holding the gun in place. Most modern retention holsters use some sort of mechanism that locks into the gun and is disengaged with a lever or button, sometimes with an additional hood over the rear of the slide.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

M_Gargantua posted:

Bankruptcy and corruption

I can't help but feel that Puerto Rico is only interested in statehood now because they think it will convince Congress to open up the money tap and fix their budget problems.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

bird food bathtub posted:

If I have to pay extra taxes to get basically permanently-locked Democratic senators into office I'll loving do it with a smile on my face.

We're all already well aware that you fully condone any policy irrespective of principle or cost so long as it helps the Democratic party.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Eat. poo poo. "It's really not worth meaningfully opposing this. After all, none of us are going to lose our insurance. Now, let's talk about how our base is going to come crawling back without us having to change anything."

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Duzzy Funlop posted:

How the gently caress are there still no confirmed casualties from that residential rocket stove?

The building is still smoking. (E: oops, just saw on the stream that its still partially on fire.) They probably haven't even secured safe access to the top floors yet, and the Fire Brigade won't get ahead of themselves on this one until they have an official tally and have notified the next-of-kins.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

The London Fire Brigade posted:

Forty fire engines and over 200 firefighters and officers have been called to a tower block fire on the Lancaster West estate in north Kensington this morning. The brigade has received multiple calls. The fire is from the second floor to the top floor of the 27-floor building.

Assistant Commissioner Dan Daly said: “Firefighters wearing breathing apparatus are working extremely hard in very difficult conditions to tackle this fire. This is a large and very serious incident and we have deployed numerous resources and specialist appliances.“

The brigade was called at 0054 and is still at the scene. Fire crews from North Kensington, Kensington, Hammersmith and Paddington and from surrounding fire stations are in attendance. The cause of the fire is not known at this stage.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

TBeats posted:

What's a worse crime with regards to sentencing: involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide?

Also why isn't this negligent homicide considering the water crisis has been well known for years?

It's going to depend on jurisdiction. Different states write their homicide laws in different ways.

IANAL, but Illinois appears to have Murder 1, Murder 2, Involuntary Manslaughter, and Reckless Homicide (which is specific to operating a motor vehicle.) It appears that Involuntary Manslaughter and Negligent Homicide are different names for the same offense; an unlawful homicide where the mens rea is negligence rather than intent.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
Three scoops of ice cream.

And, if he's a very good boy, Melania with make the magical golden tinkle for him.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
I know we just got done talking about how TBI are bad, m'kay, but I would get knocked out by Floyd Mayweather if it meant I could immediately and comfortably retire afterwards.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Best Friends posted:

Can you translate this? I have no idea what the implications are of that.

The NorInCo SKS is a Chinese copy of a Russian semiautomatic rifle that existed as a stopgap until they could get the kinks in manufacturing the AK-47 ironed out. The Chinese and Russians surplussed them out by the boatload to their Cold War allies, and a lot of them eventually made their way into the hands of American importers. In the early 90s, they could be had for about $99 with a spam can of steel cased ammo from the average tractor supply store. The SKS in American hands is associated with trailer trash and others buying the cheapest semi auto they can find, and is often the host for absolutely horrid bubba style home gunsmithing jobs. It also had the tendency to run away and shoot off the whole magazine if the firing pin channel wasn't cleaned.

HiPoint is one of the notorious "Saturday night special" manufacturers along with Raven, Jennings, and the like, who make very simple, very affordable firearms out of plastic and zinc alloy. Again, primarily associated with people who, for various reasons, want the cheapest gun they can find and aren't overly concerned with fit, finish, or really anything else.

Reverand maynard posted:

norinco is makes garbage furniture for guns and an sks is a garbage gun.

Youre thinking of Tapco.

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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

bird food bathtub posted:

But why do Republicans get to say it was a mentally unstable person on the fringe of politics that was in no way representative of their ideology or the rhetoric of hatred flying around at the time while this guy is definitely representative of their opponents and was obviously pushed into action by the rhetoric of hatred aimed at Trump and his political party?

They don't get it both ways, especially when they've been the ones doing this poo poo for decades. There was goddamn Rush Limbaugh screaming about it and "warning" of the danger to come on loving air across the nation whipping more of this poo poo up. That is some stunning, next level hypocrisy.

Suddenly the exact same arguments work for them that have been for loving decades coming from "pussies" or "unamerican" or "snowflakes" or "liberals". This poo poo is bad and should stop...so maybe they should be the ones that stop since they're actually doing it?

Not as though it hasn't gone both ways. People were saying that the Muslim hatin', train stabbin' douchebag in Oregon had been triggered or inspired by conservative rhetoric, and now people on the left are keen to play the "clearly a disturbed individual, this has nothing to do with us comparing our opponents to the Third Reich" line.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
They're pretty much hardmode defendants though. They almost all have clean records, have previous experience testifying in court, and it's 50/50 on whether any given person is generically sympathetic to them.

Add that the only recording of the events leading up to the shooting was the cruiser dash cam, and there was a lot of space there for a competent lawyer to create reasonable doubt.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Mr. Nice! posted:

Here's the Tarawa dropping their anchor.

Ahaha, those giant clouds of rust. I imagine that must ruin uniforms.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Stultus Maximus posted:

Ever notice how Trump is obsessed with "losing" and "winning?" Trump and his trumpeters have the mindset that if someone is winning, it must be at the expense of others. So any time they see a black person, a gay person, a woman, an immigrant doing better than they did in 1980 (i.e. "winning") they necessarily believe that they, the white man, must be "losing."
If another nation has a growing economy ("winning") it has to be because they are doing it at our expense ("losing").
Trump and the deplorables cannot conceive of anything but zero sum games.
America was great when white Americans were winning and everyone else was losing.

I mean, in a certain sense, it's true. Previously, if you were a white man, you could more or less expect to have access to a job market wherein minorities and women were shut out of many positions, improving access for you. If you demanded that women, children, and minorities show you deference, society agreed with that expectation. Given that wages have been stagnant and job numbers have not kept up with population in some regions, access to limited employment resources may actually be zero sum. You can quite reasonably say that allowing minorities and women access to the full job market and all of society's other benefits is a good thing, but it's disingenuous to pretend that there isn't a loss for those who used to enjoy privileged access.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

psydude posted:

Put another way, uneducated white men are discovering how much it sucks to be everyone else and are holding everyone else accountable for it.

Yep. Telling people, "Your piece of the pie is going to be smaller so that everyone can have some" isn't necessarily some monstrous argument, but it's disingenuous to pretend that there will always be enough pie for everyone to be satisfied, and stupid to act as though people are somehow irrational or alien for preferring the situation where they get to keep having the same amount of pie they do right now, or used to get 40 years ago.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Hexyflexy posted:

You guys have the weirdest persecution complex about your country. America is just fine, it isn't going bloody anywhere.
While being poor and white in America is not as lovely as being poor and black, it is still quite lovely, and continues to get shittier as low skill jobs are displaced and the gap between rich and poor continues to grow.

Why people believed that a loudmouth egomaniac millionaire would correct this is beyond my ability to understand others' thought processes.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Kawasaki Nun posted:

"Not as lovely" being a shorthand for describing being in a better position by an order of magnitude.

Even if I agreed that it was literally an order of magnitude worse, it's utterly irrelevant as an argument. "Oh, don't you know that little kids are starving in Pakistan? Shut up and be happy with your lot in life." If you remove someone's leg without anesthetic, explaining that doing invasive abdominal surgery, or both legs for that matter, would be worse will not ameliorate their pain.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Genocide Tendency posted:

There are two reasons for the obsession with winning and losing by Trump supporters.

1 - They are loving stupid. Literally. They are unable to understand anything beyond a binary choice. Either you are getting everything or you are getting nothing. Its why they call anyone who disagrees with any singular idea a "liberal" or some other version of the imagined pejorative that they have created for someone who doesn't think exactly like they do.
Sort of like labeling everyone who disagrees with you politically a hostile mass that you call "stupid", racist, and "a cancer"?

Genocide Tendency posted:

2 - They don't want a bigger pie. They want everyone who is not them to suffer. They will sacrifice success to a degree just so others don't get anything. Its not even gently caress You Got Mine. Its literally "I will give up X,Y and Z just to make sure that those people don't get anything".
You're basing this on what, exactly? Do you seriously find the most convincing explanation for someone voting contrary to you that they're the lizard aliens from Rakka, except with diabetes instead of nanotechnology?

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Stultus Maximus posted:

Except that God Capitalism has always preached that the great thing about capitalism is that the pie can grow larger so that everyone can benefit without hurting someone else.
I share your beef with some of the underlying assumptions of neoliberal economic policy, but it isn't really a devastating comeback to why some whites might feel anxious and unhappy despite having racial privilege.

psydude posted:

Put another way, uneducated white men are discovering how much it sucks to be everyone else and are holding everyone else accountable for it.
Let's be clear though, pretty much everyone who isn't living on top of some of the greatest wealth inequality since the abolition of the feudal system are at risk for finding out how much life sucks for the global masses. West Virginia coal miners might be the ones sloughing off the tail of the wealth distribution curve into third world poverty today, but as computer algorithms start to displace white collar jobs too, a lot more people are going to start sliding towards the global mean of living off about $10,000 a year and where stuff like single family dwellings, riding mowers, and big dad lawns aren't really A Thing.

I feel like if it was any given Gipper's portion getting smaller, they might feel a little bit differently about fighting tooth and nail to maintain the unfair and essentially arbitrary inequality that separates them from Bangladeshi landfill pickers, despite their shared humanity.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Bolow posted:

Not really because the underlying problem is the greedy as gently caress dipshits who amass wealth to literally no end other than to have it.
Getting rid of the rich isn't on the table in reality, but for a lot of people, all the non-automatable portions of their job being done by people teleworking from south Asia very much is.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
We might get lucky here, but even if someone was running their GoPro, it would probably look like some contrails terminating in puffballs, with an Allah Ackbar backbeat.

Bolow posted:

I don't give a poo poo if people are wealthy but they need to actually do something with their money besides just hoard it like a loving dragon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppGd-2nEOVQ&t=21s

FYI, if you haven't seen this movie, you really should.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

TBeats posted:

i'm mostly coming from the point of view of what it would be called if the race's/religions were reversed.
AFAIK, the official line from the Met is always something along the lines of "a major incident has occured" until they feel ready to talk. Mothra could be vaporizing the Houses of Parliament and they would probably release a statement that "officers are responding to a serious disturbance near Westminster Bridge. Citizens are advised to keep doors and windows locked and avoid contact with the pollen drifting from the mighty wings of giant alien insects."

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I'm not trying to create an excuse for them, but if they do get their news from fox news and etc. they wouldn't have heard about the republicans obstructing everything the dems tried for 8 years. I'm just gonna repeat myself and say rupert murdoch needs to loving die already.

People on the right either don't care about or approve of Republican obstructionism because they wanted Republicans to stymie Obama's agenda. They hate Democratic obstructionism because it is hindering a Republican agenda.

Sort of like how leftists who spent Obama's second term complaining about the death of Congressional norms and good governance are now applauding dems for "finding their spine."

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Mr. Nice! posted:

Finding their spines and doing something that ultimately will amount to nothing more than a rule change.

Democrats cannot really obstruct right now vs the 6 years republicans controlled at least one congressional house under Obama. Republican obstructionism actually blocked things.
So if Dems had a majority in one house of Congress and could effectively stall Trump and the Republicans' efforts to repeal environmental regulation, or blow up the ACA, or replace the next Supreme Court justice to kick the bucket with SSJ Gorsuch 2, you would think they shouldn't do it?

CommieGIR posted:

Yeah, this isn't even the same thing. The Republicans are practically ruling out of spite, and spent 6 years dragging their feet on every little thing to pass what largely now amounts to poisonous vitriolic bills.
I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

CommieGIR posted:

Are you just pretending the AHCA bill is in good taste? Or are you pretending the GOP in any way is passing any bills other than ones that will benefit anyone but themselves and their wealthy constituents only?
The GOP has been against the ACA since it passed, so I don't see why it's at all shocking or gauche for them to repeal it.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
I am aware of the legislative shenanigans going on, but Commie's objection appeared to be that they were repealing & replacing the ACA, not the means by which they were doing it.

CommieGIR posted:

And replace it with something 10x worse, so yes, it is gauche.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

Also the Supreme Court is hearing the Gerrymandering case.
lol, Kennedy never thought anyone would formally, mathematically address the "Yes but can you prove disenfranchisement" door he left open. The court's conservatives are never going to tie the hands of Republican state commissions disenfranchising Democrats, so expect Kennedy to piss away the rest of his legacy signing on to an opinion of "IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL BY THE PLAIN WORDING OF THE CONSTITUTION" written by Gorsuch.

He gazed up at the enormous bra. Nine deployments it had taken him to learn what kind of vulgarity was cloaked beneath the white fabric. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two Franziskaner-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over the desert. He had managed to make Al Udeid worse.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

KildarX posted:

Again!? This is a common thing?!

The Military Base Act is a hell of a thing.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Casimir Radon posted:

So is it just business as usual at the Deid while this bullshit gets hashed out?

I think everyone at the Deid who worry about such things figures that the House of Saud would have to have really lost the plot to gently caress with the people who actually keep them from being involved in a ground war in Iraq and a shooting war across the strait, and having to worry about their Ferrari garage being obliterated by a TBM.

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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Zeris posted:

1. Having lived in Wardak, green makes sense.
They're talking about Wardak the Defense Minister, not Wardak the province. Unless you were his secret Bacha Boy top...

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