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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

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Mr. Johnson, perhaps the circumstances surrounding this negotiation have temporarily, as it were, escaped you
Please don't post Verhofstadt's face at me, it's very upsetting.

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Firos
Apr 30, 2007

Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism



Bunch of foreigners, coming in here, taking our (shitposting) jobs. Bloody disgrace.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
I don't think you can go "gently caress all of you, I'm glad your poorest and most vulnerable will suffer" then get self-righteously indignant when someone tells you you're being an rear end in a top hat, tbh

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
That's what they did with Greece, so there's definitely precedent.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

After seeing Europol I'm starting to come round on this whole Brexit thing.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

I think

R. Mute posted:

You spit in the face of all your neighbouring countries and of one of the largest trade blocks in the world - and let's face it, they hated your guts even beforehand.

is a very accurate description of the situation. I'm not glad that Britain, as a nation, shot itself in the foot. But I don't think I'm mistaken in saying that everyone on the continent is acutely aware that that bullet was aimed at us and that you don't have to expect too much sympathy from the lich kings of Brussels.

Firos
Apr 30, 2007

Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism



You're posting that as if many of us were pro Brexit. Most of us are just resigned to our fate at this point, and just trying to make the most of a lovely situation; i.e. maybe we'll get a socialist government.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:



Mr. Johnson, perhaps the circumstances surrounding this negotiation have temporarily, as it were, escaped you

I don't think I approve of Elton John being on the EU negotiating team tbh.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

spectralent posted:

I don't think you can go "gently caress all of you, I'm glad your poorest and most vulnerable will suffer" then get self-righteously indignant when someone tells you you're being an rear end in a top hat, tbh

That's a loving pro title/av.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

learnincurve posted:

So I resisted getting a mobile phone till four years ago, but I still have to wonder just how you managed to not know what an iPhone/smartphone was? Is this one of those things where you live in some remote part of Scotland which is about 20 years behind everyone else?

Ooh. I've got it. He's a member of the DUP :iceburn:

Cultural Marxist
Jun 29, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

R. Mute posted:

This flood the Chunnel and wall up Ulster plan is starting to sound more and more appealing by the second.

In our defence, the way we were planning to flood the Chunnel was also going to destroy Kent, one of our more disagreeable areas who would thoroughly deserve it.

Ok and part of France too.

staberind
Feb 20, 2008

but i dont wanna be a spaceship
Fun Shoe

learnincurve posted:

So I resisted getting a mobile phone till four years ago, but I still have to wonder just how you managed to not know what an iPhone/smartphone was? Is this one of those things where you live in some remote part of Scotland which is about 20 years behind everyone else?

I was just thrifty and got the cheapest/dumbest smartphone i could, was pretty amazed at it. this new one is just ridiculously better. I just was not interested in having a smartphone until I realised that I could use it to play flac audio files.
as far as mobiles go, I had a nokia brick in japan while everyone else was using bleepers/pagers. I'm just seriously out of phase with any technology that's not a watercooled "gaming" computer.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

R. Mute posted:

But I don't think I'm mistaken in saying that everyone on the continent is acutely aware that that bullet was aimed at us
It wasn't though, that's the stupidest thing about the right wing leave campaigns. Entire talking points centered around non-EU member Turkey, about Sharia Law, about Syrian refugees, about laws that were made in the UK, about the ECtHR, about international treaties that would still be in place post any kind of Brexit barring full Juche hermit kingdom Brexit.

A leave campaign focused on the actual machinations of the EU apparatus would look a lot more like Tony Benn or Dennis Skinner's speeches than the flood of piss that we got.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Firos posted:

You're posting that as if many of us were pro Brexit. Most of us are just resigned to our fate at this point, and just trying to make the most of a lovely situation; i.e. maybe we'll get a socialist government.
I know where most of you guys stand and any spite in my posts was just talking from the perspective of EU negotiators. I just feel like discussions like the one in the previous x pages about the possibilities of Brexit are prone to forgetting that it's not just down to whichever British camp gets into power. Unless you're going to ignore the referendum, Britain's hand has already been dealt. 90% of all ongoings surrounding Brexit within Britain at the moment is just meaningless posturing at this point.

I guess I saw some hope and decided it needed to be crushed.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

On the other hand that's partly why I'm genuinely not sure what will happen if Corbyn gets in power, he's going to still pursue brexit but I think just having someone who isn't a complete raving idiot to talk to opens up the opportunity to negotiate far more than the tories will be able to do. Brexit is still stupid because it's "give me stuff or I'll shoot my other foot off" which was my main opposition to it, but I dunno, I can't really figure how much of the EU's current position is dictated by the tories being complete loving idiots.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


OwlFancier posted:

That's a loving pro title/av.

It's probably the new funniest so far. Had a good giggle at the idea of confusing Edmonds with Gallagher.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

It wasn't though, that's the stupidest thing about the right wing leave campaigns. Entire talking points centered around non-EU member Turkey, about Sharia Law, about Syrian refugees, about laws that were made in the UK, about the ECtHR, about international treaties that would still be in place post any kind of Brexit barring full Juche hermit kingdom Brexit.

A leave campaign focused on the actual machinations of the EU apparatus would look a lot more like Tony Benn or Dennis Skinner's speeches than the flood of piss that we got.
Rhetoric-wise, you're definitely right. But leaving the EU for dumb reasons still comes down to Britain leaving the EU, the practical results are the same. Hence the bullet being aimed at us.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

R. Mute posted:

I know where most of you guys stand and any spite in my posts was just talking from the perspective of EU negotiators. I just feel like discussions like the one in the previous x pages about the possibilities of Brexit are prone to forgetting that it's not just down to whichever British camp gets into power. Unless you're going to ignore the referendum, Britain's hand has already been dealt. 90% of all ongoings surrounding Brexit within Britain at the moment is just meaningless posturing at this point.

I guess I saw some hope and decided it needed to be crushed.

Eh, I think there's still going to be a difference in negotiations between Corbyn, who actually has a position and seems willing to talk in good faith, and Theresa May, whose idea of good negotiation tactics is to scream "DO WHAT I WANT OR I'LL poo poo MYSELF" over and over again

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

It's probably the new funniest so far. Had a good giggle at the idea of confusing Edmonds with Gallagher.

Edmonds's face looks like the face of a man who's just been told that Noel Gallagher is the front man of Oasis after spending £400,000 to look like Noel Edmonds.

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006

Is anyone here going to that big march in London tomorrow by the way?

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Chucat posted:

Is anyone here going to that big march in London tomorrow by the way?

Nope, I'd rather eat a shitload of BBQ ribs and get ratarsed (30th birthday on Thursday so having a pissup)

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
For one entire year, the official British government position has been that Brexit will happen. You don't even have a loving domestic opposition to it - you all agree that you're going to leave the union. The rest of us have been watching you a bit bemused, since if you're really planning to leave, why don't you loving do the work involved? You know, the nasty bits of policy, deciding which ones you're gonna gently caress over? Instead you continue doing month after month of bickering, changing your ministers and shadow ministers and shouting at each other in Parliament and what the gently caress is your plan?

Because you know a bunch of your current secretaries were involved with the loving leave campaign, the whole idea of which was that someone else would do the work once the campaign was over. And what you're doing now looks an awful lot like that - you don't do the Brexit, you're just sitting around waiting for it to happen.

It's loving disrespectful is what it is. Who's gonna take responsibility for it?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

For one entire year, the official British government position has been that Brexit will happen. You don't even have a loving domestic opposition to it - you all agree that you're going to leave the union. The rest of us have been watching you a bit bemused, since if you're really planning to leave, why don't you loving do the work involved? You know, the nasty bits of policy, deciding which ones you're gonna gently caress over? Instead you continue doing month after month of bickering, changing your ministers and shadow ministers and shouting at each other in Parliament and what the gently caress is your plan?

Because you know a bunch of your current secretaries were involved with the loving leave campaign, the whole idea of which was that someone else would do the work once the campaign was over. And what you're doing now looks an awful lot like that - you don't do the Brexit, you're just sitting around waiting for it to happen.

It's loving disrespectful is what it is. Who's gonna take responsibility for it?

Who the gently caress is "you"? There's not a single regular in this topic who voted for the shower of shits clowning about right now.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

mfcrocker posted:

Nope, I'd rather eat a shitload of BBQ ribs and get ratarsed (30th birthday on Thursday so having a pissup)

lol at Brits talking about BBQ ribs

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Am I posting in a thread from this time last year? Where have all these idiots come from?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

For one entire year, the official British government position has been that Brexit will happen. You don't even have a loving domestic opposition to it - you all agree that you're going to leave the union. The rest of us have been watching you a bit bemused, since if you're really planning to leave, why don't you loving do the work involved? You know, the nasty bits of policy, deciding which ones you're gonna gently caress over? Instead you continue doing month after month of bickering, changing your ministers and shadow ministers and shouting at each other in Parliament and what the gently caress is your plan?

Hi, I see you are new to British politics.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
Maybe I'm just simplifying things to left vs. right too much here, but it seems weird that the common sense belief about why people voted brexit is still "moslems git" and not the bold lies about how brexit would reverse all the obscene NHS cuts and privatization and make everything work again. I mean the majority of Leave voters went Labour this election.

I dont know, It just seems more plausible considering that the whole campaign to brexit started happening after Osbourne's fuckery started murdering shitloads of disabled people declared fit-to-work.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Just FYI, at most one of the UKMT regulars is, in fact, Theresa May.

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Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

For one entire year, the official British government position has been that Brexit will happen. You don't even have a loving domestic opposition to it - you all agree that you're going to leave the union. The rest of us have been watching you a bit bemused, since if you're really planning to leave, why don't you loving do the work involved? You know, the nasty bits of policy, deciding which ones you're gonna gently caress over? Instead you continue doing month after month of bickering, changing your ministers and shadow ministers and shouting at each other in Parliament and what the gently caress is your plan?

Because you know a bunch of your current secretaries were involved with the loving leave campaign, the whole idea of which was that someone else would do the work once the campaign was over. And what you're doing now looks an awful lot like that - you don't do the Brexit, you're just sitting around waiting for it to happen.

It's loving disrespectful is what it is. Who's gonna take responsibility for it?

lol don't get your herring all in a twist

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

You're being very charitable if you're wondering what the Tories' plan is. That's predicated on a very big assumption.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

lol don't get your herring all in a twist

I will pull up the Branchor and your stupid islands will float far away

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Neurolimal posted:

Maybe I'm just simplifying things to left vs. right too much here, but it seems weird that the common sense belief about why people voted brexit is still "moslems git" and not the bold lies about how brexit would reverse all the obscene NHS cuts and privatization and make everything work again. I mean the majority of Leave voters went Labour this election.

I dont know, It just seems more plausible considering that the whole campaign to brexit started happening after Osbourne's fuckery started murdering shitloads of disabled people declared fit-to-work.

Immigration and border control came up repeatedly because the public at large thinks immigration is a resource drain that can be stemmed.

Labour offered an entirely different narrative that still made clear the complaints of the working class in particular vz immigration were valid, in that there was a serious problem in Britain, but offered an achievable solution that the public were ready to accept; austerity is a murderous lie.

e; oh and the massive rise in hate crime supports the position that the leave vote emboldened violent racists

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I will pull up the Branchor and your stupid islands will float far away

I don't think the solution to the British Problem is to give us a mobile island.

The Tories would immediately refortify the southern coastal batteries and find some archipelagos to raid.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

David Davis, Secretary of DExEU posted:


This leaves the question of Single Market access. The ideal outcome, (and in my view the most likely, after a lot of wrangling) is continued tariff-free access. Once the European nations realise that we are not going to budge on control of our borders, they will want to talk, in their own interest. There may be some complexities about rules of origin and narrowly-based regulatory compliance for exports into the EU, but that is all manageable.

But what if it they are irrational, as so many Remain-supporting commentators asserted they would be in the run up to the referendum?

This is one of the reasons for taking a little time before triggering Article 50. The negotiating strategy has to be properly designed, and there is some serious consultation to be done first. Constitutional propriety requires us to consult with the Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish governments first, and common sense implies that we should consult with stakeholders like the City, CBI, TUC, small business bodies, the NFU, universities and research foundations and the like. None of them should have any sort of veto, but we should try to accommodate their concerns so long as it does not compromise the main aim. This whole process should be completed to allow triggering of Article 50 before or by the beginning of next year.

In this process, we should work out what we do in the improbable event of the EU taking a dog in the manger attitude to Single Market tariff free access, and insist on WTO rules and levies, including 10 per cent levies on car exports. Let us be clear: I do not believe for a moment that that will happen, but let us humour the pre-referendum Treasury fantasy.

In that eventuality, people seem to forget that the British government will be in receipt of over £2 billion of levies on EU cars alone. There is nothing to stop us supporting our indigenous car industry to make it more competitive if we so chose.

This is your secretary in charge of exiting the EU, preparing to assign blame before negotiations have started.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think the solution to the British Problem is to give us a mobile island.

The Tories would immediately refortify the southern coastal batteries and find some archipelagos to raid.

TBF if they guaranteed equitable distribution of booty this would be an excellent foreign policy.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Does discovering that the UK government are actively malicious idiots hit everyone this hard?

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
Here's what we do, we just tell them what we want and if they don't give it to us, we'll blame them :smug:

OwlFancier posted:

Does discovering that the UK government are actively malicious idiots hit everyone this hard?

I loving hope not because I'm calling an ambulance with the one finger my stroke failed to paralyze

Firos
Apr 30, 2007

Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism



Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Here's what we do, we just tell them what we want and if they don't give it to us, we'll blame them :smug:


I loving hope not because I'm calling an ambulance with the one finger my stroke failed to paralyze

David Davis is an odious cretin. Next question?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean if I have to spell it out, the tories have no plan, they chased brexit out of sheer populism and have no idea how to deliver on it, they've assigned a complete moron to lead the negotiations, and Theresa May's approach to anything difficult is to lock herself in a room and hide from it.

The UK government are completely, mind numbingly stupid, and half of them actually think this is still 1850 and the British Empire is still as strong as it ever was and also that it was completely great, and most of the country probably agrees with them on both counts.

And almost everybody in this thread is aware of this. We just can't actually do anything about it.

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

At this point I'm genuinely hoping that a few weeks from now David Davis comes back from negotiations all shook and just goes "I was wrong. We need to stop this."

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