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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Macarius Wrench posted:

Serious question: why are such a high proportion of SA users Labour voters?

Conservative support is very low in younger age groups and increases sharply as you go up. We're mostly in our 20s and early 30s I'd guess.

e: very low might be overstating it a bit

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Nov 1, 2007

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Killed By Death posted:

I would never have guessed 1. Labour's vote share would be ever lower than the Lib Dem's at a certain age threshold, 2. that that threshold would be 67 and older, rather than say, 19 and younger.

They're linear trendlines so I'd be wary of any conclusions at the extreme ends.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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In fairness to Rakosi, I doubt he would defend rape and rapists irl

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Nov 1, 2007

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/870066949417570305

That would be one of the more amazing outcomes of this shitshow, no matter how unlikely.

This seems very unlikely. She's sitting on a 5k majority and has 6,700 UKIP voters to benefit from.

I forgot she was married to AA Gill lol

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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learnincurve posted:

The problem is that we abide by our quotas and others ignore them, so when our brave boys of the sea go to fish in an area there is nothing but scraps left for them. That's not simply rah rah gently caress the Spanish, it's something that genuinely does need to get addressed, but tends to get lost in all of the fake wolf crying.

Is there any further reading / evidence on this? I'd thought quotas were pretty strictly enforced, although they're still being set too high for stocks to recover.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Laradus posted:

There's some good overview with links to relevant figures/further information here;

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-pinching-our-fish/

Yeah I read that but it couldn't see much about countries exceeding their quotas?

learnincurve were you talking about the exploitative but legal practice of quota hopping?

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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To be clear this doesn't mean he's suspected of wrongdoing or under investigation.

...at this time.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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I've not seen anyone writing Nnutal in this thread?

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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My wife and voted just after 7 (Labour, in a safe as houses Labour seat). There were about two dozen names on the sheet already which I don't remember being the case in 2015.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Vetitum posted:

David Lammy with 81.6% of the vote in Tottenham, at what point does it start to look suspicious?

He and the electorate there were both strongly Remain and even before that he was extremely popular, his ceiling is higher than most thread regulars right now

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Do party candidates tend to stump up their own cash / go into personal debt to fund their campaigns here? I know we're much more controlled than the US when it comes to spending limits but May's comments on financial difficulty might have had to do with that.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Firos posted:

I thought it was perfectly normal for Sinn Fein to take their offices in Westminster, but it's specifically the seats they don't use :shrug:

This is correct.

The Sun have entered transfer deadline day levels of overreaction.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Namtab posted:

Hot take: there were no good guys, only varying degrees of cunts

But enough about <my pet issue>

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Firos posted:

My 60+ y/o dad all but said he voted tory because he "couldn't bring himself to vote for Corbyn", for the most part because he thought Putin would love Corbyn winning. Not really sure what to make of that.

Did he vote for brexit?

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Tsaedje posted:

Police and Crime Commissioner is a pretty good addition (though the position itself is a joke)

I've never really thought about it but a "Police and Crime Commissioner" sounds like the kind of role that would turn up in a Discworld book when a drive for efficiency forces the City Watch and Thieves' Guild to merge.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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learnincurve posted:

Seriously, unless you live in a high rise then get a rope ladder for £10, if you want to splash out then portable fire escape ladders for up to three story buildings are a thing for £50 if that. You want to be jumping out of the window going "but the landlord was supposed to do it!!" for the sake of £50?

But how are people who can't even afford energy saving bulbs or 5p plastic bags supposed to stretch to this???

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Miftan posted:

Not that I mind Owen Smith back in, but does he have anything to do with norn iron?

He was a spad to Paul Murphy when he was NI secretary so it seems like a decent brief.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Rarity posted:

So I just got home after not being able to check the news since midday and apparently this fire is still going? What the actual gently caress?

It's got enough oxygen, fuel and heat to keep going for a while. The WTC supposedly burned for months.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Macarius Wrench posted:

I literally cannot comprehend someone taking a multiple month long break from their employment whilst earning a living wage and still being able to look people in the eye. Sorry I'm not soft.

People too ill to work should receive money that's, by definition, not enough to live on?

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Macarius Wrench posted:

Scary how quick you get a response on this thread in the middle of the day, awful lot of UKMT posters sitting on their good doctors sick notes.

I'm waiting for a conference call to start. What's your excuse?

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Macarius Wrench posted:

I'm on my lunch hour and the times going slowly but winding up a bunch of middle aged pen pushers into a seething mess makes things go a bit faster.

Lol that no-one in the office wants to have lunch with you

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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There was some polling a few days ago that showed Rudd, Gove, Davis, Boris etc all making people less likely to vote tory

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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When I was walking home the other week I saw some crows (or possibly rooks) do some really efficient zone marking to prevent seagulls​ getting near a bag of chips. Birds are cool.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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OwlFancier posted:

I feel like if you knock over a bin it should be a bougie bin.

Jose get in here

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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McKay's original tweet thread starts here as well

https://twitter.com/simonmckay/status/875631250576293888

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Nov 1, 2007

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JosefStalinator posted:

If May fails and there's another election, what would the election length be this time? Is the exact length mandated by that fancy new law you guys have?

Also please have another election, us Yanks are rooting hard for Corbyn and you're making us feel something close to hope :unsmith:

You need at least 22 working days between the publication of notice of election and the poll itself but before that you have to dissolve parliament I think, and it's good practice to leave enough time that any business currently going through parliament can be wound up. It's pretty flexible but the governing party generally has an interest in keeping it as short as practicable. 6 weeks is the generated accepted minimum.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Baron Corbyn posted:

who chooses when the election is held if the government fails a no confidence vote though?

Parliament didn't immediately get dissolved in 1979, they had a bit of wrap up and I assume the date of the election was set as part of that.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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In their majestic equality, the laws of physics permit rich and poor alike to be set on fire.

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Nov 1, 2007

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happyhippy posted:

Has the Daily Mail started blaming the EU for the fire yet?

The Express have!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/817651/london-fire-grenfell-tower-block-cladding-latest-updates-european-union-regulations

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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namesake posted:

Lab on the left has a 'I've seen things man. Terrible things...' sort of expression but then they often do.

It's neutral lab expression. Probably thinking about food.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Baron Corbyn posted:

If Ian Beattie can play both Gerry Adams and Michael Stone then Sheen can play both Corbyn and Blair.

He's also portrayed Brian Clough, David Frost, Wesley Snipes and Pissflaps.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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AVeryLargeRadish posted:

Ahahaha, so basically the Tories are refusing to govern so they can keep their jobs? What happens if they just refuse to hold any votes ever? How long do they get to hold everyone hostage?

Until 2022, unless defections / byelections can force enough losses that they either lose a straightforward confidence vote, or the prospect of doing so intimidates them into calling a snap election.

It's unlikely but theoretically possible that this government could limp on for the next five years, although I think the current public sector spending review is due in 2020, so they can't dodge a budget for too long.

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Nov 1, 2007

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Party Boat posted:

Until 2022, unless defections / byelections can force enough losses that they either lose a straightforward confidence vote, or the prospect of doing so intimidates them into calling a snap election.

It's unlikely but theoretically possible that this government could limp on for the next five years, although I think the current public sector spending review is due in 2020, so they can't dodge a budget for too long.

Actually further to this - is there anything stopping a governing party from extending the session of Parliament even further, potentially up to the next election? They'd be absolutely hamstrung in terms of introducing legislation and it would be a huge stick for the opposition and wavering backbenchers to beat the government with, but is there any formal arrangement preventing it from happening?

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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Did Corbyn say Labour had 'won'? Wasn't he interviewed last weekend saying that no-one had won?

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Nov 1, 2007

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Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:

So was it at the terror mosque or not? News said yes, some goon said no.

Different mosque according to the Guardian's reporter on the scene

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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learnincurve posted:

I'm not saying it isn't. The question is if one man is going around saying "god has told me to kill you!" Is it a terrorist attack?

This whole thing stinks to me and it's the festering stench of hypocrisy. The Daily mail and other right wing rags have followed this nasty Tory agenda of fuelling hatered and resentment against Muslims and now what? They think that calling it a terrorist attack and not a hate crime will give them the justification to say "well we called that white guy a terrorist too, look we are not racist!"

Look at the left wing press, compared to the right wing press when it was announced. Left wing press called it an attack, right wing press leaped on it calling it a terrorist attack as soon as they heard the word van and before anything was known. How much of this now is because they can't do take backs?

Are you saying that the Met are only calling this terrorism because the Daily Mail did.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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learnincurve posted:

No. I'm saying instantly calling every attack made by a Muslim a terrorist attack, before actually checking any of the facts is some of the poo poo that fueled this crime in the first place.

The Mail will point at this and say "well we assumed he was a terrorist too, so we can't be racist!" I guarantee it.

I'm not aware of any violent attacks by Muslims that were labelled as terrorist attacks by the authorities but turned out not to be?

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

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learnincurve posted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Westminster_attack

"Police have found no link with any terrorist organisation" "By 1 April, all 12 suspects arrested after the attack had been released without charge".

It makes him no less evil, he's still a mass murderer no matter what you call him. One of the many things that should worry us is that how many people know he was working alone? How many people think he was part of some terrorist network?

"On 22 March 2017, a terrorist attack took place in the vicinity of the Palace of Westminster in London, seat of the British Parliament."

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Nov 1, 2007

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Redgrendel2001 posted:

I think it is that mosque or there's some serious wires crossed.

My best guess is the reporter got confused because the attack targeted people after they had exited the Finnsbury Mosque, made a left turn and were down the street in front of the Muslim Welfare Center of Islington which is pretty close to another mosque in the opposite direction.

Thanks for clarifying, I'm not familiar with the area.

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Nov 1, 2007

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Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:

So there's a new boss, did the congregation change as well? If not, I somehow doubt the people who listened to old hook-hand suddenly became good citizens.

I'd guess so given they've gone from about 50 worshippers to 2000 and are involved in the local community

http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/finsbury-park-mosque-in-new-era-following-hostile-abu-hamza-days-1-3630481

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