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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
This poll is closed.
Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

jBrereton posted:

I actually don't due to moon language prepositions, can you fill us in?

(big Khaoskoalijsioner here)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE

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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

sassassin posted:

Sure to swing those EU nationals votes towards Labour.

It really is loving ridiculous that we can't vote for who's going to rule the country we live in.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Hey, at least I convinced a couple brit coworkers to vote Labour

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Stop doing mental gymnastics to imagine a timeline in which Brexit gets stopped. It won't be. Trust me, I also really really wish it weren't so, but it's happening, there's no turning the clock back, it's a reality and we have to deal with it.

Now, at this point I'd much rather have a Labour Brexit than a Tory Brexit, that goes without saying.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Paul.Power posted:

XKCD illustrated the issue pretty effectively here - relative to previous changes (since 20,000BC, at least), right now the earth's average temperature is changing really fast.

Well, the ideal conditions for the upcoming cephalopod civilization aren't gonna make themselves

I wonder if the octopuses will run into the same problems. I hope they never invent politics

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Guys, trust me on this - you don't want a military dictatorship. Trust me, we had SIX of those, and they're bad, okay.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Lord_Adonis posted:

But were those military interventions into politics conceived of to protect Liberal Democracy from far-right sabotage, and implemented in a strictly time-limited context?

One of them had their stated cause pretty drat close to that, actually, but it doesn't matter. The reasons never matter. Giving over power to your military changes your country in many many unexpected ways, all of them really bad. I would write a long post about exactly how, seeing as how in Argentina you get it the whole history of the dictatorships and their atrocities hammered into you (a very popular motto with regards to them is "never again"), but honestly many better men than me have written much better books about it. There's literally hundreds of books about it, many dozen in english, so look it up, hell, even the wikipedia article should give you a good idea of why military dictatorships are an incredibly dumb idea.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Yeah sometimes you have recent immigrants being racist against immigrants. People are weird and dumb.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Angepain posted:

Wait, the Mail actually accept that climate change is a thing? Or are they just mad that america will get all the economic advantages of being able to pollute everywhere it's hard to tell if these people actually believe things

They believe in profit from ads. Their readers though... I mean, second top comment is "Global Warming is a SCAM" so you can't expect much from them

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
You've got to say, "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

Then we'll figure out what to do about the tories selling out the country under our feet. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
What the hell is this "allotment" thing I keep reading in this thread? I mean, from what I can google, it's some kind of piece of land you get where you grow stuff, but does the government lease it for free or what? The Wikipedia article is not very clear on this other than "low rent".

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

jBrereton posted:

Your local council will usually charge you a more or less nominal fee for an allotment but supply is usually much lower than demand. They're good if you don't have a garden.

Sounds like a neat idea if it's like a couple quid a month, something neat to do in the weekends

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

jBrereton posted:

Plus a handy food source if you can keep the post-brexit marauding looters off it.

Nah I'm joining the roving EU gangs, wearing all leather and raiding old pensioner tory scum, what's not to love

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Please stop Theresa, I don't want to damage my loving liver

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
"Yes I will do my part in destroying civilisation as we know it, for I am a maniacal power-hungry sociopath and think I can apply strategy from Sid Meier's games into real life. Next."

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
"Actually yes, you gently caress, I'm going to use Trident to nuke the UK to make extra-sure that people like you don't survive. Chaos reigns."

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Anidav posted:

I cannot believe the nuke question. It is so dumb.

Yes, but in the case that the world was going to hell in a handbasket, and billions were about to die and our civilisation was about to be destroyed, would you strike back at the fuckers??? This is important to me somehow!

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Tigey posted:

Piers Morgan is the reason we shouldn't retaliate if we are nuked.

We produced HIM.

We deserve to die in nuclear fire

We don't need loving nukes - if a country tries to attack us, just launch Piers and Katie at them.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

crispix posted:

They post about us on other forums. I'm being serious :/

My opinions on pizza are famous, I'll have you know

https://twitter.com/BevisSimpson/status/624638853215682560

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Anidav posted:

The British public want Watchmen to become a reality.

A blue titan growing increasingly out of touch with reality, that no one can bring down, and that humanity would be much better without? Hmmm

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Mr. Nemo posted:

First of all, I'm disgusted with your use of plural there.

What? I didn't get this

quote:

Second, recently I learned there is an argentine expat living on London that works for the NHS as a neuro-something who will vote "not for Corbyn". I need you to find that person and scream to their face, tia.

Okay I will scream "boludoooooo" at their face they deserve it

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

TomViolence posted:



I'm seeing a pattern here with our nuclear banter lads. An uncharitable part of me thinks there might be some link between nuke fetishism and the post-menopausal eunuchdom of being an old oval office that's well past it.

I can picture each and every one of their voices in my head, it's like some psychic cacophony of cuntery

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

OwlFancier posted:

Why do they all look so loving weird.

Their faces are frozen in the exact moment they're having kinky thoughts about nuclear apocalypse.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Politics are the worst thing ever devised by man

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Angepain posted:

it's amazing that the deficit was higher, unemployment was higher, GDP was lower and less money was being spent on things two years into a recession, who would have possibly thunk it

Also, inflation is a thing, they should look it up

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
So, I took the liberty of applying inflation to that garbage image, it looks a bit better now, for a post-crisis government, don't you think?

Also, this doesn't apply 2017 inflation

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Yeah, taking pictures in a polling station is illegal, and no matter how much he states that it will have no resale value, any judge will see that as clientelism because lol it's a famous figure's art, it has loving value and you're trying to influence votes even if you say you aren't.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

forkboy84 posted:

Not as far as I'm aware. It's illegal to reveal anything anyone else has done, so they don't like you to take photos. But it's not illegal. Or it wasn't a year ago according to a quick Google search. IANAL

I'm also pretty sure it's not actually serious & he's just kidding. Though obviously if you did live in one of those constituencies you should cover up any identifying number on the ballot before taking the photo.

That's a joke in very bad taste. Also it'll be bad for Corbyn.

No, but seriously, there will probably be a Daily Mail article about it real soon, too.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

forkboy84 posted:

(Though obviously if it was some rich oval office offering bribes to vote Tory I'd find it a lot less funny & a lot more bad)

Yeah but you see, this is exactly why it's bad - we have to be consistent about this. Influencing votes with bribery is bad, even if it's on our side, otherwise we're as unprincipled as they are.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Cerv posted:

how is it open to abuse? no-one other than the idiot in the voting booth take a photo of a ballot paper, so it's only ever your own ballot you could be invalidating. no way for anyone to invalidate anyone else's

Depends. Are ballot IDs unpredictable, or are they just sequential numbers? Because if it's the latter, then someone with enough money to invest could print exact replicas of ballots and use thousands of russian bot twitter accounts to invalidate a lot of votes in a constituency.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

ronya posted:

how is Russian Bot going to match all the marks on the ballots though

which are made with a pen, with all the vagaries of fumbling human fingers

Cerv posted:

just a thought but someone at the EC might notice that the crosses are in the wrong boxes and drawn differently.
or get a little suspicious when thousands of people are claiming that the bot accounts aren't theirs

This assumes that the government is going to painstakingly match each and every physical ballot (which they have to find in a huge pile of paper) with the pictures and compare them. I don't know if I trust them that much.

At the very least, it would cause a lot of noise.

Also, again, this is only if the ballot IDs are sequential, which would be immensely stupid. They're probably some kind of cryptographically generated hash, which makes this whole thing moot.

Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jun 3, 2017

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

goddamnedtwisto posted:

No, they're sequential - why would they be anything else?

Because any idiot would be able to know all voter IDs in a constituency if they are sequential. Sure, they might not be able to do jack-poo poo with that information, but why even risk it, when there's a perfect viable alternative that doesn't need more resources or effort?

I mean, I'm sorry if I come across as excessive or whatever, I just was involved in the development of very secure software before and this is like a cardinal sin to me.

Cerv posted:

hash of what? you're given the first ballot paper off the top of the pad. not one waiting for you specifically.

A random hash, man, come on, this is not that hard. Instead of

1
2
3

you get
f98jda89fha798989
f98uufjds98fjsd98
g9f8dh89878

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

jBrereton posted:

polling staff mishandle generic alphanumeric codes, no?

Yeah now that you mention it I guess this might present an obstacle in rural Bumfuckburg

Nevermind then, tradeoffs are tradeoffs

Cerv posted:

oh i think i see what you've misunderstood
these numbers are not *voter* IDs, there are ballot paper IDs. which ballot ID is linked to which voter is effectively random unless you have a conspiracy to control who turns up in what order and when.

No, I understood that part, I'm just a stickler for this stuff, it's important in my job

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

ronya posted:

this fails the requirement that an attacker should not be able to produce more physical ballots than have been verified to have been legitimately cast, and have these additional ballots be indistinguishable from the real ones

A very good point actually

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Liu posted:

do yourselves a favour and never read the comments on bbc news articles

Can you imagine what it's like to be the guy that has to moderate Sun / Mail comments?

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

jabby posted:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsTonight/status/870715016785272832

Seems like gatecrashing Tory interviews to ask them why they won't debate is becoming a favourite Labour tactic.

I jumped to a random point in the video and the blonde beast goes "and what you gonna do with immigration?"

So predictable

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

I am quite well educated on the issue I grew up in South America in a country in the middle of a civil war between right wing deathsquads and communist guerrilas and one of the most complex political scenes on earth.

People who have power do not just give it up willingly. And they will do anything to keep it. And those patterns of power re-emerge in any form of government.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that because of what happened with the FARC in Colombia, that any form of left-wing government is doomed to failure, man. That's a bit of a stretch.

Also, hi5 compadre sudaca.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
It's all because old people vote more than young people

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Regarde Aduck posted:

The emotional whiplash in this thread is getting annoying. Stop crying everytime a poll isn't exactly how you wanted it.

We have a long tradition of hyperbole here at the something awful dot com forums, I wouldn't put too much into it

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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Angepain posted:

i thought VAT was just inherently meant to increase forever, like inflation

Argentina increased VAT to 21% as an "emergency measure" in 1995.

It's still 21%

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