UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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TACD: Oct 27, 2000

communism bitch posted:

Not that I know anything about anything, or have heard anything in any corridors, but recall that the State Opening of Parliament and Queen's Speech was already delayed once because of Theresa May's fit of hubris in calling a GE. Now recall that it's been delayed again because of the massive gently caress up at the GE and ensuing negotiations.
Well if I had heard anything about anything it might might involve certain (usually impartial) people outside of the Tory party being slightly less than chuffed with Theresa May.

But I must make it perfectly clear that I haven't heard anything.

We've done 'weak and wobbly' as a Tory byline, how about 'slow and stagnant'? 'Deferred and delayed'? I need something, the bosses over at Meme HQ won't hang about all day.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 17:14

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 02:06

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Bardeh posted:

Welp. Looks like she's not getting ousted.

I could do without the mentions of Theresa May on her knees and Tories banging on the table, thanks :barf:

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 17:51

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

dispatch_async posted:

Here's the DUP version of kustomkarkommando's fanfic:

There's something everyone has missed about the DUP and the Fixed Term Parliaments Act

So, if this is correct, what happens if the Queen's Speech gets voted down? Does it trigger a specific confidence vote before Labour get a go?

I look forward to the formation of government being delayed indefinitely after getting stuck in a procedural infinite loop.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 20:42

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

TomViolence posted:

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/874364778046775296

This is such a relief; for a moment I actually thought the Conservatives might have a moment of self-reflection and realise they needed to get somebody personable like Ruth Davidson as leader and rebrand their FYGM branding to get under-50s to vote for them. It's good to see that they're just going to keep rehashing all their mistakes and failed talking points for another while yet.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 23:26

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

farraday posted:

quote:
Modern high rises don't have external fire escapes, they're meant to be built such that the internal stairwells serve that purpose. It works perfectly if management isn't psychopathic.

https://twitter.com/themarkashley/status/874849561977729025

I found the official pdf this was pulled from so it's certain that this 24 story high rise had one stairwell. Your health and safety regulations are worthless.

Is this setup unusual? The block of flats I live in has a similar central column with one set of stairs for ~160 flats over 20 floors. We also don't have a specific fire escape door, the stairs stop at the lobby area.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 06:54

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

communism bitch posted:

I live at the top of a three storey block with only one door on ground level and no fire escapes, so hopefully no fire breaks out in the communal area because i guess i'll have to jump.

Fortunately this isn't a decision I'll ever have to make because we don't even have any windows that actually open, just some weird angled slats that let in some air :waycool:

Edit: I want to ask how much responsibility the actual construction company has in addition to the owners to independently ensure their work is up to fire standards but haha who am I kidding I'm sure it's nil.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 08:56

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Presumably you have a fire extinguisher in your apartment, in the event of a major conflagration you'd be better served putting that through a window and getting out

It's only just occurred to me that this is the first flat I've lived in for many years that isn't fitted with an extinguisher and/or fire blanket. I'm going to find out what the regulations are for that, I'm sure other places aren't providing them out of the goodness of their hearts.

Edit:

Miftan posted:

Hahahaha. Capitalism is a joke where the only punchline is profits and people dying. That being said, does anybody actually KNOW what happened it? Someone probably balls'd it up, but we don't know who or why, right?

Nobody will know until an investigation is done but there already seems to be a strong consensus that they basically wrapped the building in highly flammable cladding, which was seen burning extremely quickly.

TACD fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Jun 14, 2017

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 09:09

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

quote:

Andrew Goldman, the director of Rydon, the company responsible for the Grenfell Tower's refurbishment, has told ITV's Good Morning Britain: "We don't know there is any direct link between the fire and cladding."

Source

Yea, I bet finding that out is going to be a real journey of discovery for him.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 10:27

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

coffeetable posted:

I made these a while back, and you might find them useful.

These are really impressive, I don't know how you made them but if it's at all possible to automate then you could make a really useful website / app / thing.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 15:01

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Miftan posted:

poo poo, I don't either. Please post what you find!

So I did a bit of reading, and surprisingly (or perhaps not) it seems that the regulations for flats are pretty lax. According to the government's site, fire extinguishers and fire alarms are only necessary if the property is a large HMO (e.g. a big student house) � a purpose�built block of flats is not an HMO. Smoke alarms are all that is necessary on each floor of all premises as far as I can tell; I was a bit shocked to check and confirm that there are no fire extinguishers even in the common areas of my block of flats.

Things get more complicated for flats that are conversions of older properties and weren't purpose�built as flats, and I think these are more likely to require extinguishers as they wouldn't have been built with compartmentalisation in mind. This page has a whole list of the regulations that apparently apply to each type of dwelling, though to I'm not sure whether to believe a landlord's association page over the official government one (which makes it sound quite simple).

This page has some more general information but it also implies that all flats require extinguishers on every floor without providing a source for the claim, which is (sadly) wrong as far as I can tell.

TheRat posted:

https://twitter.com/MayaGoodfellow/status/875058527676637184

Haha I honestly couldn't place who Owen Smith was for a minute. The man is totally unmemorable.

Edit: Thanks SpaceCadetBob for the posts about fires, very interesting!

TACD fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jun 14, 2017

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 20:45

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

pumpinglemma posted:

Stupid question: what would happen if a few Tories voted to support a Labour queen's speech with the intent of dragging Corbyn through the mud of an unworkable minority government for a bit before the inevitable election?

The Tories love to play tricky games with voting and based on their track record recently I assume it would lead to Corbyn as PM for two decades.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 22:32

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

ronya posted:

they're both carefully avoiding saying who they think is at fault, but are quite willing to provide suggestions

It's like the opposite of racists explaining their one black friend as "one of the good ones"; rich capitalist lizards are actually all fine and great except for these specific ones who are just some bad apples (because they hosed up and invited scrutiny on the rest of us).

RandomPauI posted:

I really hope the UK uses this as an opportunity to implement a national framework for disaster response. It's already part of the way there with the Gold, Silver, Bronze system for first responders.

A Tory government would see this as an excuse to make the emergency services 'more efficient' by cutting their numbers since the slack is being taken up by charities and private citizens.

# ¿ Jun 15, 2017 07:05

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Who the gently caress is 'Sargon' and why should I care? Didn't the Doctor already defeat him last season?

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 07:43

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

I keep thinking that Conservative support must be bottoming out about now - we've had two terrorist incidents that were potentially preventable if not for cuts to the police, a generation-defining fire that could have been prevented if not for an unwillingness to perform safety reviews and implement safety regulations, and the most thoroughly botched electoral campaign in decades, fought for an election of hubris; and that's just this year.

Then I remember that Brexit negotiations have not even started and any Tories unaffected by all the deaths because they only care for profits (i.e. the majority) are going to start getting really upset as it becomes more obvious what a colossal and avoidable economic disaster we have coming our way in 2019.

Then I remember that Parliament hasn't even opened yet and we still don't know what sort of deal has been struck with the DUP, and any Tories who don't care about lives or profits but might care about basic political stability are going to start feeling pretty anxious about the fact that the DUP deal combined with Brexit puts an unprecedented amount of pressure on the Good Friday Agreement.

Just, loving hell.

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 08:45

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/HenryCPorter/status/875481293345128448

execute this oval office

It's good to know he draws the line at "dangerous toys from China"

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 10:19

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Tesseraction posted:

Hahaha Kensington and Chelsea Council have announced that the previous press release was the wrong one, and that the survivors will be rehouse within the borough after all.

Weird that they had such a misleading press release lying around where it could be accidentally announced.

Didn't the government accidentally release an incorrect press release just a few days ago about having already done the DUP deal? Why would you write a press release for an imaginary situation?

Edit: Haha I took another read of that headline, that's some good poo poo.

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 15:53

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

nopantsjack posted:

Nobody learns from mistakes here, the council's response is exactly what the response was after Duggan. The media response is even the same and seems to have no appreciation or understanding of the context of the cuts or the class of the victims.

It's pretty incredible watching everybody try to get out of an immediate response by saying "we'll wait until the inquiry is finished and enact their recommendations" and totally forgetting that we literally did all this a few years ago. It's not going to cut it this time.

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 18:16

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Vitamin P posted:

Are we still consciously refraining from hope or did that stop with the hung parliament?

The seed of hope has been tended to and is starting to blossom into a beautiful flower of rage.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 11:14

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Jose posted:

it took may 8 weeks to go from the most popular PM ever to despised by the entire country lol

Wasn't the entire "May is most popular PM ever" thing based entirely off of a single poll result from a Tory-friendly pollster? It's always seemed incredibly iffy to me.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 11:44

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

jBrereton posted:

No, and it was not even long ago that she was more popular inside the Labour party than Corbyn. How times change!

The articles about it from the Telegraph, Independent, Sun, Express, and Standard all quote the same Ipsos Mori poll. Was there another polling company making the same 'most popular PM ever' claim?

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 13:50

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Cerv posted:

What is it that you think councils do? Cos really they don't keep constant track of every house or flat in their borough. Now if an extensive national ID database had ever happened it'd be a different matter

They're generally pretty keen on keeping track of how many people in each property should be paying council tax.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 23:39

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Ludicro posted:

Touching on some discussion earlier regarding trains and their costs, I have to say it is unbelievable just how expensive rail travel has become for anyone living outside London.

Train tickets for visiting my folks down south are now so expensive that they're now pretty much at parity with air travel. Air travel also saves several hours and guarantees you a seat.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2017 09:58

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Miftan posted:

Air travel is misleading because there's always the cost of getting to the airport/parking. It's also much more of a hassle than just showing up and getting on a train imo

All true, but even if switching to air isn't feasible for somebody else it's completely preposterous that they're even comparable in terms of price.

Cerv posted:

So as long as we assume no one had kids living with them, is renting with bills included, and every flat share has put all their names down that'll be a useful & accurate number

Basically just keep waiting for the emergency services to give confirmed numbers once they're in and can count bodies.

Yes, any estimate will have a margin of error but it's just incorrect to claim that the council has no way of even coming up with a reasonable estimate.

TACD fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Jun 18, 2017

# ¿ Jun 18, 2017 10:22

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Pershing posted:

So which one of you is the new MP for Sheffield Hallam? This Guardian article paints him somewhat goony. ..

West Street Live is a terrible trashy bar and I'm an old man yelling at clouds :mad:

Raeg posted:

To be fair to the council, it's the weekend, they need time to relax and unwind

That one guy was having a party, wasn't he? Poor fella is probably hungover.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2017 17:09

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Darth Walrus posted:

I seem to recall that us having external testicles is something to do with temperature control, keeping our balls cooler than the rest of our body in order to protect the sperm. So a shell might run the risk of boiling our baby-juices.

Related fun fact: Elephants do not have a scrotum, their testicles are internal.

That's all I have to say about that! Enjoy spending the rest of your day thinking about elephant nuts, later suckas :c00l:

# ¿ Jun 19, 2017 12:59

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

How did you all do Breakfastchat with nary a mention of white pudding? Get your heads in the game.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2017 01:10

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Playstation 4 posted:

What is it with you bloody Limeys and tree analogies? Is it just "it's one letter of off tea and we love that poo poo"?

We'd all love to use a different analogy for each occasion but there's no magic analogy tree.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2017 10:50

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Baron Corbyn posted:

https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/877253402094338048

This is the first time I've ever heard a public figure mention humanism inclusively alongside religions, what a lad

# ¿ Jun 21, 2017 11:13

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Miftan posted:

Glad to see they're adopting The Boy's policies even if he's technically not PM yet.

B-b-but policies are useless if you aren't in power to enact them!

# ¿ Jun 21, 2017 15:19

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 02:06

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

baka kaba posted:

I'm not saying there's some overarching Machiavellian strategy at work here, I'm saying they all seem like they've given up trying and nobody's willing to put any effort into anything. Even the appearance of competence

Well, why would they? When is the last time a single one of them faced any consequences for being incompetent or being proven to be lying? When's the last time anything bad happened to a Tory who was shown to be screwing the poor for personal gain? Everybody knows they're doing it and apparently nobody cares enough to stop them so who are they trying to impress?

Yes, this election shows that maybe people actually do care and are starting to run out of patience with Tories as a whole but politicians don't ever face significant personal consequences, either politically, in the press, or legally.

# ¿ Jun 22, 2017 15:34

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