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| Green |
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| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
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36 | 1.98% |
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35 | 1.93% |
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8 | 0.44% |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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Angepain posted:I do like it when pollsters try to ram it into the reader's skull that a confidence interval is a thing that might be relevant to analysis of a survey. The graph for Glasgow North is a fun one. Yeah that's my constituency and I'm probably going to vote Labour but then I'm also thinking: 1. Patrick Harvie is standing as the Green candidate and he would easily be the best individual MP (and the Green vote is not insignificant here) 2. The Tories have become the de facto 'unionist' party in Scotland so I'm expecting them to pick up major gains from the No brigade, so part of me is thinking that splitting the SNP vote in a not wholly safe seat might be inviting an upset 3: I want Corbyn to be PM and I think he would end up in a confidence and supply arrangement with the SNP if that option presented itself but it feels somehow ridiculous to not vote for Labour. The Labour candidate is also new and fairly unremarkable. So yeah still haven't quite worked it out yet.
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Tbf invasive species are totally a thing with regards ecosystems and grey squirrels will almost certainly push reds into extinction sooner or later. I guess I can see why people would want to prevent that. I mean I kind of get people obsessing over pandas and whatever even though it seems a waste of time to me. I agree though in this case I'm sure red squirrels can easily become symbolic of good old blighty and there's obviously going to be some pretty sketchy rhetoric around that.Oberleutnant posted:My favourite description of this was somebody itt i think: You have officially spoiled the next Halloween party theme for ~70% of the foxhunting groups in the UK ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Mind you, pandas being doomed is kind of our fault, given that (a) we're encroaching on their territory, where they've managed to sustain a pretty stable population for a pretty long time, and (b) life in captivity is entirely antithetical to their needs, especially where breeding is concerned - their heat season is so short because all the pandas in an area will converge in one place for a giant panda orgy, in the hopes that a few viable pairings will emerge from it all, and one-on-one coupling just doesn't work for them. I just don't much care about preserving species for their own sake (unless they're vital to an ecosystem). Always felt that the resources would be better spent ensuring more sustainable future development. Learning from our mistakes is important but I see no point in holding two or three massively endangered creatures in captivity obsessing over getting them to breed.
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Jun 2, 2017 11:28
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Really dimblebot should have been cutting the 'PRESS THE RED BUTTON' guys after the first six times. Pretty shoddy moderating tbh.
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TomViolence posted:
Was top left mustache dude not reasonably ok by comparison
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870973892474671104 Given May's absence from the debate and when the fieldwork was done I'd not be surprised to see yougov showing a slight labour lead with the others still narrowing (assuming the ipsos mori one wasn't a huge outlier). I'd also expect a bounce back to the Tories in the last week of polling so even in this case wouldn't take anything for granted - labour have to keep the heat on. Also slightly worried that a bunch of the olds will have already voted Tory via post but what can you do about that I guess
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Jun 3, 2017 13:29
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Apropos of nothing in particular, I'm never, ever going to get bored of my Trident > Metal Gear word filter. Please tell me how I can make this a thing
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Baron Corbyn posted:YouGov's seat projections updated poo poo if those numbers were accurate corbs would be pm Anidav posted:Would a dream team of Labour, SNP and Lib Dem happen? Well the Tories wouldn't be able to make a majority even with the lib dems, so what's the alternative. It would be a hell of a weak minority government but nevertheless. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Jun 3, 2017 13:52
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Yeah it's funny because a labour government would obviously be more amenable to the centre-left position the snp have set themselves up in, but it would also be a huge blow to their 'Tory rule!' rhetoric towards independence. So they're in a position where they have to carefully undermine Corbyn while appearing to support him (see the declaration that they would vote confidence - crafty politics because they drag labour voters their way in marginals while inflaming many in England and giving themselves a solid platform as progressives if the Tories win). A narrow labour win would be worst outcome for them because they've committed themselves practically and ideologically to support which would undermine the Indy vote. And even if labour refuse to offer another referendum they can't very well refuse support or they totally expose themselves as Tory enablers and alienate a massive amount of their support base.
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Pissflaps posted:Yougov have gone boring on us That is depressing and also surprising :/
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Jun 3, 2017 21:38
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Regarde Aduck posted:The emotional whiplash in this thread is getting annoying. Stop crying everytime a poll isn't exactly how you wanted it. Regarde Aduck posted:N..nnnoooooooooooooooooooo 
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Jun 3, 2017 22:24
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I swear to god if we get the whole 'postponing campaigning out of respect' thing this close to an election I will poo poo a brick
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Jun 3, 2017 23:40
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Really Corbyn needs to just refuse to stop campaigning and hammer May on this. The sad but true fact is this poo poo is a direct consequence of the kind of politics she represents. He'll be attacked for 'politicising' a disaster but people need to appreciate that this isn't a disaster but a political event that occurs in a context. Both May's foreign policy and her cuts to the police are directly linked to it, and the Conservative government is plainly unable to protect its citizens despite all the 'strong and stable' rhetoric. I hope this becomes obvious to people as election day approaches.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Welcome to the internet You remind me of me when I was 16 so I feel that I am qualified to say gently caress off you unfunny edgelord prick
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The Guardian plainly don't want him to win, they want to maintain the moral high ground and their image as the 'progressive correct' newspaper when he loses
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Jun 5, 2017 12:17
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So say hypothetically Corbs does pull off the miracle of the century and wins this. Sure the PLP are going to be gunning for him but what exactly would their angle be? Their whole opposition so far has been 'he is a nice man but he can't win an election' (sometimes without the first bit). So if he conclusively proves that he can, and not just win but pull of an incredible turnaround, that argument is shot to pieces. Any further attacks would just be openly ideological Labour right poo poo. While I don't put this past many of them, it would be very very difficult to keep the tone of 'sensible liberal progressive person asking pragmatic questions' that much of the criticism has maintained for example in wanky Guardian thinkipieces. I would have thought the Labour right would be furious but basically impotent - they'd be the socialists under Blair.
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Jun 5, 2017 14:39
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Trickjaw posted:Nononono they have let Dianne Abbott out noooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Spangly A posted:the problem is this is a really solid example of what Ronya's talking about here. It is not news to anyone who has studied history that the british, and white people, are fundamentally scum. It's pretty true of all humans, but the british (and whitey) have done really well out of it. But a large, irate, number of voters think that saying mean things is the beginning and end of racism, and genuinely believe that now there are no problems except people blaming white people for things that aren't there. Diane Abbot is really just playing into a frustrating trend amongst the supposed 'left'. People have an instinctive gut reaction when people say 'white people are scum' because they hear it as 'as a white person you are scum'. And really, why wouldn't they? They are angry at having responsibility for the historical processes and interactions of power between various peoples laid at their feet when they, personally, had nothing to do with any of it. The meaning perceived to the listener (gently caress you) is totally different to the meaning intended by the speaker (historical processes have led white people to occupy and defend privileged positions, and therefore a structurally white power structure has emerged and persists to this day). And this is compounded when actually the white person concerned is rarely an elite and reinforces power structures in only the most superficial and incidental way. The whole set-up of 'white people' is also fundamentally flawed because that the hell does 'whiteness' even mean. Was Bobby Sands 'white' when the British Army was subjecting him to appalling treatment in jail while occupying Ireland and harassing its Catholic population? Certainly it's interesting how the use of the term 'fenian' in the Irish context has significant parallels to the term 'friend of the family' in the US one. There's a racialised element at play in both but I'd usually see that as a post-hoc rationalisation of colonialism. An inferior 'race' is any population that becomes colonised - or rather finds itself trampled by the global power structure. Had Africa been predominantly white are we really going to suggest that the slave trade would never have happened? Of course it would have, and the same old justifications and racialisation would take place. By this argument are the poor whites of an industrialised country not racialised - or something similar - in their own way? Losurdo's Liberalism book that is regularly recommended in this thread has a heap of examples of the way the European working class were considered essentially a different species during the 18th and 19th centuries. So really I think moving away from this strange racialised discourse that idpol seems to have latched onto wholesale is a hugely important move, and instead we should focus on appreciating and explaining the actual structures of power behind our social relationships and why, yes, these have let to a situation in which being black makes a person disproportionately likely to be worse off and subject to bigotry. But try doing this amongst the 'woke liberal' brigade and all you get are a heap of people complaining about how little they care about 'white tears' and how privilege needs to be checked etc etc. It's not helpful and it directly plays into the hands of the elites by driving people against one another. And I believe there are almost certainly a few people who do actually get this but are deliberately provocative in their language because they're making a rhetorical point, but it's something to be very careful of. Taunting potential comrades during a period of resurgent fascism is..well dangerous. I guess this also applies to 'men' and 'cis' and whatever too. tldr: idpol sucks guys seriously
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I am getting frighteningly close to feeling hope help
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Jun 6, 2017 01:05
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Snipee posted:I haven't been following the thread religiously. Is this still part of your plan to seduce Pissflaps? I think the interesting thing about the modern Tory party is that it's really not all that similar to the old school tough Tory party that Churchill etc symbolise. There's a New Conservatives as much as there was a New Labour, and it's way more about aggressive privatisation and shrinking the state than it is about securing a strong nation-state. Modern Tories keep up the rhetoric of the older incarnation (May in particular does this, which might well be why she was seen as a decent replacement for Cameron) and in some small respects (e.g. authoritarian powers given to the police and security services) they keep up an element of the tradition but in actual policy it's neoliberalism all the way. What really makes me feel genuinely sad is the knowledge that a lot of the elderly are voting for a party that doesn't exist anymore - they want the stability and firmness that goes with the old school conservatism they remember from the postwar period (and an element of xenophobia undoubtedly plays a part - but likely genuine xenophobia, fear based on ignorance than any real malice). Tory rhetoric leads them to believe that it's what the party still represents, but it hasn't done so since probably the 70s. As a result all these old folks vote directly against their own and everyone else's interests - see the inevitable queues of pensioners expressing horror at the dismantling of the NHS while completely failing to put two and two together. There is of course still a wing of the Tory party that would return things to how they were, but they are as marginal as Labour socialists were under Blair. I suppose the one positive to take from this is that I do genuinely believe that a large segment of the elderly's support for the Tories comes from this false consciousness, or rather this failure to recognise the ideological developments within the party. So as the group who have direct memory of the old Tories begin to die off, I'd wager we'll see a gradual decline in support amongst the olds. Certainly I can't imagine support for the Tories being hugely significant amongst those born post-Thatcher, or at least I imagine the balance between Labour and Conservative being more evenly matched and this continuing as these people age. Benjamin Arthur posted:You're a thick dickhead attention whore who thought Corbyn was leading Labour to it's destruction and you should get a life rather than making bad posts in this thread your whole life lmao
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Barry Foster posted:God, I just want this all to be over already so I can get back to good old fashioned standard despondency. Course dude
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Jun 6, 2017 10:36
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Barry Foster posted:Cheers man. I am fluctuating between hope and despair in a way that cannot be doing my insides any good E: I'm still consoling myself by remembering how badly everyone got it wrong on trump and actually this election is mirroring that one in some pretty important respects.
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Jun 6, 2017 10:41
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No but really is she actually trying to throw this thing to avoid dealing with brexit. It feel a bit tinfoil hat saying it but...
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Jun 6, 2017 11:15
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OwlFancier posted:Never attribute to 4 dimensional chess what can be adequately explained by stupidity. It just seems to be veering from 'dumb' into 'active self-sabotage'. We've just had three terrorist attacks in as many months, it's two days before the election, and she starts talking about cuts to the security services??? And that's just the most recent ridiculous thing. Says a hell of a lot about the UK that she'll probably win regardless.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:19
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ultrabindu posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/872054232286887937 Is this not based on an average of the polls? If so it won't be reflective if the actual result because the divergence in polling figures suggests that one or more of them deeply flawed methodologies. In short I reckon the result will be either significantly better or way worse. Time to toss that coin!
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Jun 6, 2017 14:08
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Pissflaps posted:The prospect of five more years of Tory government does not leave me feeling smug. I'm sure you would deep down like Labour to win but tbh it is pretty obvious that you'd get no small satisfaction from coming back to this thread after a Tory landslide and being all 'I told you so Corbyn bad' about it. It's cool and all and I'm glad you're having fun but I'm more concerned with the people who will genuinely suffer by another five years of Toryism. I'm in a reasonably secure place right now, at least secure enough that ending up on the streets or starving is fairly unlikely, but there are a heap of people who will be utterly broken if this goes the wrong way.
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993 I do not think the Tories will win in Bolsover.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:06
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The DPRK posted:Do we have a place for facebookfriends.txt? Got some loving horrendous passages to add including this gem: wow I don't get too many really dodgy ones. Had this from a guy after Manchester which made me laugh because it's peak 'I'm not racist but...': quote:Now I'm not racist, nor am I stereotypical....all muslims arnt terrorists but as of late all terrorists seem to be Muslim. You can't blame us for being cautious other muslims. If a dog attacked you would you then not be weary of all dogs....just saying #prayformanchester🙏🏻 There's also a bunch of people who seem to have bought wholesale into neoliberal 'American Dream' ideology who keep posting shite about how people need to stop moaning about the minimum wage and just work harder and they will be rewarded which is pretty loving dumb as I know most of them work entry level retail jobs. False consciousness up the wazoo. Few genuinely poor hating Tory sociopaths mind, but I guess that's part for the course in the North/Scotland where most people I know are from.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:26
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So I made a complaint about the Corbyn - Bin Laden graphic on BBC that we were complaining about a few pages back and I got a reply! (It's exactly the kind of poo poo you'd expect)quote:
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Jun 6, 2017 17:43
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Guy Goodbody posted:She's been PM for awhile now, right? Does she have a track record that justifies the safe hands argument? Lol She has also deported no small number of people to almost certain death in hostile regimes
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Jun 7, 2017 00:51
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big scary monsters posted:The Lib Dems, Labour and the SNP leaders have all gone on record ruling out a formal coalition. Well obviously it would be a confidence and supply arrangement. Also just for one second imagine the media shitstorn is Sinn Fein decided to break precedent and pop round to Westminster just to vote confidence in Corbyn then buggered off again. I would never stop laughing. I mean it's not going to happen but if any potential PM could inspire that it would be him, given his general sympathy to Irish republicanism.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:52
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Voting for Corbyn would require them to swear an oath of allegiance to the Crown so I don't think they're likely to just do that for the craic. Probably not but lol as if an oath means poo poo these days
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Jun 7, 2017 12:21
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TheRat posted:This is a pretty good read: (long thread) I used to like Jack Monroe and she does still occasionally put out a good opinion but oh my god she's had some ridiculous meltdowns and was super anti-Corbyn for a while. I think she drank the idpol kool-aid in a big way and she has definitely gone down the slightly worrying liberal left track so beloved of American 'progressives',
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Jun 7, 2017 15:40
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I know it's the Lib Dems we're talking about but I find it almost impossible to believe that even Tim Farron could be so shortsighted as to coalition with the Tories again under any circumstances in light of what happened the first time around. Now they're diametrically opposed on Brexit too I can't even imagine them agreeing to a supply/confidence agreement.
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Jun 7, 2017 15:43
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Halisnacks posted:Is there thread consensus on what would be the darker timeline? I actually think that Brexit with a Labour government could potentially be the best possible timeline. They would probably negotiate a better deal than the Tories and we'd be less hostile to Europe in the coming years as a result. Labour could avoid major criticism on it because they were 'just doing the best they could with the mess the Tories made' and actually being out of the EU opens a lot more options with regards renationalisation and other left-wing policies that would have been made very difficult by Brussels. e: beaten kinda
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Jun 7, 2017 15:54
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:I've got poll fever so I'm going with a mate to an all nighter at a pub tomorrow. If the exit polls are really bad though I guess I could just do 326 shots and go into a coma for the next 5 years lmao if you think there'll still be a hospital bed for you to be comatose in five years down the line, you'll be tossed in the nearest ditch with all the rest of the poors to make room for the NHS's valued gold package customers
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You know before it all kicks off tomorrow and we usher at least five years of actual cartoon villain leadership, I was just thinking how loving ridiculous it is that this is even a debate. How is Corbyn an underdog? He's a nice dude with policies most the population agree with. His tax plans are not obscene and are significantly lower than many other developed countries. May is a loving clown. Things have plainly gotten worse under the Tories. Nobody is happy except for a tiny minority at the very top. And here we are literally struggling to even hope that he might come within a shadow of winning. What is this country and why is it so poo poo. Most people are actually objectively not bad people when you meet them, even Tories. They're just misinformed or stupid. Why do the papers have so much power and nobody thinks it's an issue? I'm seriously just baffled about the state of politics in the UK.
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I have decided that Jeremy Corbyn is going to win and for this day and for tomorrow until the exit poll I am going to operate on that assumption and for the love of god for this short period of time I am going to allow myself to be warmed by vain hope
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Jun 7, 2017 20:04
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Coohoolin posted:I've been drinking Fraoch and I've resigned myself to a further five years of being angry at everyone and going full saltire mad. Not much else to do eh. good beer choice
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